The Official 2025 Off-Season Thread

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Bootz wrote: Mon Sep 01, 2025 2:53 pm
__Chef__ wrote: Mon Sep 01, 2025 12:44 pm

Thank you for the reminder of what a horribly dumb idea this trade was.

Now back to the other one, what about the Packers will be tangibly better with Micah Parsons?
Everything. OCs will have to account for him at all times. Double teams will be rolled to him, allowing their other talented defenders more 1 on 1 opportunities to make plays.
I'm talking tangible, measurable benefit.

Will the packers win 1 (or 2) more games because of him? Win a wildcard game (or better)? Improve to the best 3rd down defense in the league? Improve to opponents having the worst QB rating in the league? Improve to the highest pressure rate in the league? Most sacks in the league?

What measurable difference will Parsons make for the Packers?
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These are natural questions. But they lack the proper nuance when evaluating a move like this.

the defense’s ceiling and floor are raised when acquiring this caliber of player. I’m certain he’ll be in positions to succeed. It’s a good org.

He makes everyone better around him because he demands attention. He makes the defense more resilient to personnel problems mid-season. He gives them more options scheme wise.

Quantifying that is hard. The schedule is different this season. The matchups are different. The identity of the team could be different. The manner in which they plan to win games could be different.

Imagine a scenario where the defense gets decimated by injuries, only to be buoyed by his presence for the second half of the season. If he elevated them to league average defense - on the season - doesn’t that ranking not do him (as an individual) justice?

What if Love tears his ACL right before the playoffs?
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__Chef__ wrote: Mon Sep 01, 2025 3:26 pm
Bootz wrote: Mon Sep 01, 2025 2:53 pm

Everything. OCs will have to account for him at all times. Double teams will be rolled to him, allowing their other talented defenders more 1 on 1 opportunities to make plays.
I'm talking tangible, measurable benefit.

Will the packers win 1 (or 2) more games because of him? Win a wildcard game (or better)? Improve to the best 3rd down defense in the league? Improve to opponents having the worst QB rating in the league? Improve to the highest pressure rate in the league? Most sacks in the league?

What measurable difference will Parsons make for the Packers?
I'm sorry, my DeLorean is still in the shop and I can't go into the future today.

You are so all over the place with this meltdown. You know those questions can't be answered right now. Yet you're pretending as if you're coming from a genuine place.

Relax man. This is getting out of hand.
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Why does this happen in every thread?
We're paying the price for a half-measure taken by The Union 160 years ago.

The New Union will correct that mistake.
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Bootz wrote: Mon Sep 01, 2025 3:45 pm I'm sorry, my DeLorean is still in the shop and I can't go into the future today.
We go from:
"He's not moving the needle, HE IS THE NEEDLE!"
to
"I dunno if he will make any tangible difference because I have no means of telling the future ..."

Bootz, this isn't that serious man.
Put your name on something.
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__Chef__ wrote: Mon Sep 01, 2025 4:22 pm
Bootz wrote: Mon Sep 01, 2025 3:45 pm I'm sorry, my DeLorean is still in the shop and I can't go into the future today.
We go from:
"He's not moving the needle, HE IS THE NEEDLE!"
to
"I dunno if he will make any tangible difference because I have no means of telling the future ..."

Bootz, this isn't that serious man.
Put your name on something.
He will make a tangible difference. You asking how many more games they'll win or how many more sacks they'll have, it's illogical to try and predict a numerical outcome when so many other factors are involved.

You should take some time and get your mind right. People are starting to worry.
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Bootz wrote: Mon Sep 01, 2025 4:25 pm
__Chef__ wrote: Mon Sep 01, 2025 4:22 pm

We go from:
"He's not moving the needle, HE IS THE NEEDLE!"
to
"I dunno if he will make any tangible difference because I have no means of telling the future ..."

Bootz, this isn't that serious man.
Put your name on something.
He will make a tangible difference. You asking how many more games they'll win or how many more sacks they'll have, it's illogical to try and predict a numerical outcome when so many other factors are involved.

You should take some time and get your mind right. People are starting to worry.
:lol:

We move on.
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BucsNBills wrote: Mon Sep 01, 2025 3:59 pm Why does this happen in every thread?
I haven't seen a meltdown this bad here since you said we lost games we actually won.
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Sep 01, 2025 9:18 am
Sooner06 wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 7:23 pm


Three 1sts aren't that much when they're all likely to be between 20-32. i mean, you guys have been picking in that range for what 3-4 years now? how good have most of those guys been? And the reality is that more than 60% of 1st rd draft picks don't re-sign with the team that drafted them, so basically we can say that only 1 out of 3 1st rd players are even starters after a season. So, you trade three picks, two of which you probably weren't going to re-sign anyway, and the one you did re-sign has less than a 3% chance of being elite? sign me up.


Given that, yeah, i'd trade three 1sts and any DL not named Vea for a 26 yr-old future 1st-ballot HoF EDGE in a heartbeat. I guarantee you a team like NE or NYJ would've ponied up a lot more than just a pair of 1st rd picks. Of course, those teams are in a completely different situation than a team like TB. But Micah should've gone for at least 4 picks at a minimum. or whatever Mack went for, he should've drawn at least that much draft capital. And if Jerry had any common sense left he would've announced that Micah was on the block back before the draft and I would bet several house payments some team would've given up a lot more than a measly pair of 1sts.

heck, if Jerry told Licht that Micah could be a Buc for three 1sts and Braswell and Licht refused, he should've gotten fired on the spot, imo.
3 firsts for a defensive position player is unprecedented. 3 firsts AND a player is lunacy.

And there's no guarantee they're late picks. Cleveland thought the picks they were giving up for Watson would be late too.

While there's no "guarantee" that they'll be late picks, the odds are very much in their favor. you actually have to go all the way back to 2009 to find a year in which GB had a pick higher than 20th. And since LaFleur became HC they've picked in the bottom third 4 out of 5 seasons? Put another way, if Parsons hadn't been traded to GB, they were already slated to probably get into the playoffs as a WC, which would put them in the bottom third of next year's draft anyway. it's a pretty safe bet.

As for the trade itself, Khalil Mack was traded for four picks, including a pair of 1sts, at age 31, so it's not like the Parsons deal was "unprecedented." And parsons is just 26, and he's a better player. which is probably why nearly all the talking heads, as well as former GMs, scouts, players are almost unanimously saying that Jerry got fleeced only getting a pair of low-end 1sts.
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BucsNBills wrote: Mon Sep 01, 2025 3:59 pm Why does this happen in every thread?
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BucsNBills wrote: Mon Sep 01, 2025 3:59 pm Why does this happen in every thread?
Hurry let's start a new one
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@Central_Buc


Imagine that, before even one play.
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mdb1958 wrote: Tue Sep 02, 2025 6:39 pm @Central_Buc


Imagine that, before even one play.
This is why I tell these guys to relax and take a rest. :P
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I have some interest in how the Dolphins d-line plays out. I remember hollering for us to grab Sieler for free and we didnt and he has 20 sacks for the last two years.
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Is there any good TV streaming service for the Bucs game.?

YouTube TV is really good, so I’ll go with that.


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Am I the one who eagerly for the annual epic Lugz Bucs meltdown?
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Phantom wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 10:55 am Am I the one who eagerly for the annual epic Lugz Bucs meltdown?
Reboot, please.
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Phantom wrote: Wed Sep 03, 2025 10:52 am Is there any good TV streaming service for the Bucs game.?

YouTube TV is really good, so I’ll go with that.


Unlimited DVR
I thought you were going to the game in Atlanta....

Yea, like @Buc2 said, reboot please.
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No reboot is necessary. Perhaps Buc2 is stupid; I can’t even say r word.


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Snake wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 10:22 pm Mike Evans is a year older, Godwin is out, Wirfs will be coming off injury, it’s a rookie OC.

I would personally be shocked if the offense put up more points than last season.
As of now, averaging 5 fewer PPG.
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Snake wrote: Sun Oct 26, 2025 10:23 pm
Snake wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 10:22 pm Mike Evans is a year older, Godwin is out, Wirfs will be coming off injury, it’s a rookie OC.

I would personally be shocked if the offense put up more points than last season.
As of now, averaging 5 fewer PPG.
I think anyone reasonable saw this coming. Can't expect things to be just as they were with a guy who was only here a year and had never been a playcaller, let alone coordinating any offenses.

The injuries are a thing. But there's absolutely no rhythm, no identity, no synergy to this offense. It looks like a very watered down version of Coen's offense, where we just kept the quick horizontal passes and check downs over the middle. Not sure what this run game is.

But as you always say, which we're seeing year after year is true, the NFL rewards young, white, handsome offensive minds because there's a perceived level of intelligence. So maybe the Dolphins or Giants do us a favor.
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when you get a coach like cohen you don't let him go. bad management
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KenyattaWalker wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2025 8:53 am when you get a coach like cohen you don't let him go. bad management
What should they have done? They tried to make him the highest paid OC in the NFL. That can't compete with the money Khan threw at him to be an HC. Good teams lose their coaches.

Grizzard hasn't been great yet, but this offense is in shambles with injuries. Coen wouldn't have been able to do much either with the state of the right side of this line and so many weapons injured.
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2025 9:04 am
KenyattaWalker wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2025 8:53 am when you get a coach like cohen you don't let him go. bad management
What should they have done? They tried to make him the highest paid OC in the NFL. That can't compete with the money Khan threw at him to be an HC. Good teams lose their coaches.

Grizzard hasn't been great yet, but this offense is in shambles with injuries. Coen wouldn't have been able to do much either with the state of the right side of this line and so many weapons injured.
just dump bowles and give him da 10m. easy choice
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KenyattaWalker wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2025 3:55 pm
Grahamburn wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2025 9:04 am

What should they have done? They tried to make him the highest paid OC in the NFL. That can't compete with the money Khan threw at him to be an HC. Good teams lose their coaches.

Grizzard hasn't been great yet, but this offense is in shambles with injuries. Coen wouldn't have been able to do much either with the state of the right side of this line and so many weapons injured.
just dump bowles and give him da 10m. easy choice
That’s where I was, but I’ve been impressed with Bowles this year. The Jags are 4-3 with a struggling offense.

There’s some credence to our players being a driving engine for a lot of last years success.
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