The Official 2025 Off-Season Thread

[__Chef__]

...CeeDee Lamb has 1 TD catch. Don't see any complaints about his contract.

I wouldn't trade 2 firsts and $50/yr for him either.

As I said, at least for us, the bang/buck could be argued.

[Sooner06]

Oh Skip is in full meltdown mode

That's actually a pretty damning stat line. Elite players step up in the playoffs. Reminds me of Manning's dominant regular season play, and constant playoff choking before finally winning a SB in 2007.

Go look at the games. It's hard to get sacks when you're getting blown out because your QB was turning the ball over multiple times in the first half.

[Doctor]

I was in the Packer hype but it's getting it out hand. This era hasn't done anything yet. People like to clown about how Lamar, Allen, Dak etc all up come up short. Love is 18-15 in starts. He's got a new WR who may or may not work out. They feel closer to the old cardinals (or the modern cardinals) that everyone kept expecting to finally bloom every year than say the modern 49ers.

There is still a whole lot that we're waiting to "come together" for these Packers.

[Doctor]

That's not how teams think, it isn't our we a pass rushed away. It's wet need this pass rushet to give ourselves a chance this year. Anything can happen any given Sunday.

Mortgaging the future makes sense when you think you're close enough, and this one addition could make the difference to get you over the hump.

It worked for us in the Gruden Trade. I don't see this working for Green Bay. They've hamstrung their team by losing 2 firsts, and now have 50M tied up in *notQB* for the next few years.

I look forward to having two weaker teams in the division to run through on the way to the SB.

That's not how teams think. It's any given Sunday.

If you feel good enough about your QB and chances you're going for it. No one thinks, nah this squad isn't good enough to get passed X in the playoffs, especially at the start.

[Bootz]

I was in the Packer hype but it's getting it out hand. This era hasn't done anything yet. People like to clown about how Lamar, Allen, Dak etc all up come up short. Love is 18-15 in starts. He's got a new WR who may or may not work out. They feel closer to the old cardinals (or the modern cardinals) that everyone kept expecting to finally bloom every year than say the modern 49ers.

There is still a whole lot that we're waiting to "come together" for these Packers.

IRONIC considering your stance on the Bucs. Laughable honestly.

[Sooner06]

...CeeDee Lamb has 1 TD catch. Don't see any complaints about his contract.

I wouldn't trade 2 firsts and $50/yr for him either.

As I said, at least for us, the bang/buck could be argued.

Uh, are we sure about that? This year we have Reddick as our pass-rusher. What about the next 4 years? What's the plan?


what if we could've locked down that position for the next four years, the third most important position in pro football, with maybe the best pass-rusher since Derrick Thomas, maybe better, in his prime? right at the beginning of his prime. And we haven't even talked about his versatility; what if he could be converted to an ILB (which is where I think he should be)? regardless, the guy leads the league in pressures and pass rush win rate. I'd say that's worth a pair of low-end firsts and $47M/yr AAV.

hell, if Myles Garrett were on the trading block are you seriously saying he wouldn't be worth a measly pair of 1sts that are almost guaranteed to be in the mid- to high 20s? Go look at the players Gb has drafted since 2010 in the 1st rd and tell me again how Micah's not worth those picks.

And I don't know if anyone's looked but here's how the cap hits break down:
Y1: $9.9M
Y2: $19.2M
Y3: $26.8M
Y4: $64M
Y5: $68M

Obviously, GB will want to restructure after Y3. But that's not bad at all through 2027.

[Snake]

The Packers basically traded for the exclusive rights to “negotiate” with a player who they intended on making the highest paid defender ever. A.k.a., the trade wouldn’t actually happen unless he agreed to the contract beforehand. Which he did. There’s value to that, maybe he gets paid even more in the open market. And maybe he doesn’t consider the Packers if teams like LA are involved in UFA.

For this trade to “work out” for the Pack. Micah must maintain his established level of production for the duration of the contract. And really shouldn’t miss significant time either.

[Doctor]

I was in the Packer hype but it's getting it out hand. This era hasn't done anything yet. People like to clown about how Lamar, Allen, Dak etc all up come up short. Love is 18-15 in starts. He's got a new WR who may or may not work out. They feel closer to the old cardinals (or the modern cardinals) that everyone kept expecting to finally bloom every year than say the modern 49ers.

There is still a whole lot that we're waiting to "come together" for these Packers.

IRONIC considering your stance on the Bucs. Laughable honestly.

How so? Bowles has 3 rings, LaFleur 0. Over the last 6 years as GMs Jason has built a Superbowl championship team, Brent has not. Many of those same players are still on the team. Including our HOF WR who our QB is already well established with.

Many here have been to the mountain top.

[Bootz]

IRONIC considering your stance on the Bucs. Laughable honestly.

How so? Bowles has 3 rings, LaFleur 0. Over the last 6 years as GMs Jason has built a Superbowl championship team, Brent has not. Many of those same players are still on the team. Including our HOF WR who our QB is already well established with.

Many here have been to the mountain top.

Jesus Christ! Death by Suicide on isle 7. This might be your biggest failure you've had here at trying to be clever. I've read this 4 times and it gets funnier each time.

We truly are that close to football season because the closer we get, the dumber your takes get. Wow!

[Doctor]

Okay?

[__Chef__]

IRONIC considering your stance on the Bucs. Laughable honestly.

How so? Bowles has 3 rings, LaFleur 0. Over the last 6 years as GMs Jason has built a Superbowl championship team, Brent has not. Many of those same players are still on the team. Including our HOF WR who our QB is already well established with.

Many here have been to the mountain top.

All things considered, agreed. This team is closer to the SB than the Packers. Micah doesn't meaningfully change that for them, but ironically, would for us.

[mdb1958]

I'm fine, I'll wait and see what he does. Either way I won't care much.

[__Chef__]

I wouldn't trade 2 firsts and $50/yr for him either.

As I said, at least for us, the bang/buck could be argued.

Uh, are we sure about that?

Like I said, at least here, the bang/buck could be argued.

[Bootz]

How so? Bowles has 3 rings, LaFleur 0. Over the last 6 years as GMs Jason has built a Superbowl championship team, Brent has not. Many of those same players are still on the team. Including our HOF WR who our QB is already well established with.

Many here have been to the mountain top.

All things considered, agreed. This team is closer to the SB than the Packers. Micah doesn't meaningfully change that for them, but ironically, would for us.

Homers gonna homer.

Bucs & Packers last 2 seasons.

Bucs- 19-15, 1-2 playoff record
Packers- 20-14, 1-2 playoff record.

Bucs fans "This team is closer to the SB than the Packers".


Based off of what? The shit you just threw at the wall?

[__Chef__]

All things considered, agreed. This team is closer to the SB than the Packers. Micah doesn't meaningfully change that for them, but ironically, would for us.

Homers gonna homer.

Bucs & Packers last 2 seasons.

Bucs- 19-15, 1-2 playoff record
Packers- 20-14, 1-2 playoff record.

Bucs fans "This team is closer to the SB than the Packers".


Based off of what? The shit you just threw at the wall?

We have an elite, top 5 offense that is getting better this year.

If we can get our Defense to resemble the 2020 squad, it's game on. As @Doctor stated, we have guys on this team that have been to and won a SB.

[Snake]

Mike Evans is a year older, Godwin is out, Wirfs will be coming off injury, it’s a rookie OC.

I would personally be shocked if the offense put up more points than last season.

[mdb1958]

All things considered, agreed. This team is closer to the SB than the Packers. Micah doesn't meaningfully change that for them, but ironically, would for us.

Homers gonna homer.

Bucs & Packers last 2 seasons.

Bucs- 19-15, 1-2 playoff record
Packers- 20-14, 1-2 playoff record.

Bucs fans "This team is closer to the SB than the Packers".


Based off of what? The shit you just threw at the wall?

Bootz you always message up places you could hang out at but never do.

Is a bad homer your way of life

[__Chef__]

Mike Evans is a year older, Godwin is out, Wirfs will be coming off injury, it’s a rookie OC.

I would personally be shocked if the offense put up more points than last season.

Godwin was out half the year last year too, still produced a top 5 offense.
Evans looks as sharp as ever.
Wirfs will be back in a couple games.
Barton will be better than last year.
Egbuka > Jmac
Tez > Sheppard and everyone else below Evans, Godwin, and Jmac
Bucky + White + Tucker < Bucky + White + Tucker + Williams

The only real potential negative variable (and it is indeed one) is Grizz.
Everything outside of Grizz points to 2025 > 2024 offense.

I'll be shocked if they don't.

[Doctor]

Think you got your symbol backwards but well put.

[Swashbuckler]

We should have gotten Micah. I'm gonna be bitter as hell about that all year

[Bootz]

Homers gonna homer.

Bucs & Packers last 2 seasons.

Bucs- 19-15, 1-2 playoff record
Packers- 20-14, 1-2 playoff record.

Bucs fans "This team is closer to the SB than the Packers".


Based off of what? The shit you just threw at the wall?

[size]=200]We have an elite, top 5 offense that is getting better this year.[/size]

If we can get our Defense to resemble the 2020 squad, it's game on. As @Doctor stated, we have guys on this team that have been to and won a SB.

So do the Packers, genius.

If you were to stack up the 4 units, Bucs and Packers offenses and defenses, the Bucs D would be the weakest BY FAR.

So again, how are the Bucs closer to the SB than the Packers and what are you basing that on?

[Bootz]

Mike Evans is a year older, Godwin is out, Wirfs will be coming off injury, it’s a rookie OC.

I would personally be shocked if the offense put up more points than last season.

Godwin was out half the year last year too, still produced a top 5 offense.
Evans looks as sharp as ever.
Wirfs will be back in a couple games.
Barton will be better than last year.
Egbuka > Jmac
Tez > Sheppard and everyone else below Evans, Godwin, and Jmac
Bucky + White + Tucker < Bucky + White + Tucker + Williams

The only real potential negative variable (and it is indeed one) is Grizz.
Everything outside of Grizz points to 2025 < 2024 offense.

I'll be shocked if they don't.

Godwin is now out long term and highly unlike
ly to regain his form.

Evans is as sharp as ever in practice. What games has he played that he's been sharp in?
Wirfs will be back, yes.
Will Barton be better? Based off of what?
What makes the rookies better than vets? Based off of what?

Everything you've said is a hypothetical. And even you have to realize that the likelihood that ALL of those things come to fruition is 0%.


Yea, it's definitely football season. People start talking out their ass to no end.

[BucsNBills]

Everything positive or hopeful about any team is just hypothetical right now.

When are football fans allowed to be hopeful and positive about the outlook of their team?

[Doctor]

Everything positive or hopeful about any team is just hypothetical right now.

When are football fans allowed to be hopeful and positive about the outlook of their team?

Victory formation in the super bowl

[Grahamburn]

Everything positive or hopeful about any team is just hypothetical right now.

When are football fans allowed to be hopeful and positive about the outlook of their team?

Negative on all things Bucs but all these other GMs are delicate geniuses playing 4D chess.

[Central_Buc]

You wouldn't hit a guy with Pewter and Red glasses would you?

[Backside]

Everything positive or hopeful about any team is just hypothetical right now.

When are football fans allowed to be hopeful and positive about the outlook of their team?

Negative on all things Bucs but all these other GMs are delicate geniuses playing 4D chess.

I agree in general, but can also agree that it is quite silly to say that Parsons doesn't move the SB needle at all for Green Bay but definitely would have for the Bucs. That is really not based on any kind of logic. Before the trade the Packers and Bucs were in about the same tier of NFC contenders, obviously adding a top 5 defender in the league is a major move for them.

[Bootz]

Everything positive or hopeful about any team is just hypothetical right now.

When are football fans allowed to be hopeful and positive about the outlook of their team?

When are football fans allowed to have a realistic outlook of their team without it being labeled as negative?

[__Chef__]

Negative on all things Bucs but all these other GMs are delicate geniuses playing 4D chess.

I agree in general, but can also agree that it is quite silly to say that Parsons doesn't move the SB needle at all for Green Bay but definitely would have for the Bucs. That is really not based on any kind of logic. Before the trade the Packers and Bucs were in about the same tier of NFC contenders, obviously adding a top 5 defender in the league is a major move for them.

Because as @Bootz pointed out, Packers defense was already good. Ours wasn't. Adding an impact player on defense would make more of a difference here than there. We're all hopeful Reddick can be that guy for us ... for at least this year.

[__Chef__]

Will Barton be better? Based off of what?

Based on every other OLman that our coaching staff had their hands on in recent years.

What makes the rookies better than vets? Based off of what?

Based on their production and ability to get open.

Everything you've said is a hypothetical.

Ditto every other team in the league ATM.

Based on available evidence, this offense should outperform last years offense.

[Bootz]

I agree in general, but can also agree that it is quite silly to say that Parsons doesn't move the SB needle at all for Green Bay but definitely would have for the Bucs. That is really not based on any kind of logic. Before the trade the Packers and Bucs were in about the same tier of NFC contenders, obviously adding a top 5 defender in the league is a major move for them.

Because as @Bootz pointed out, Packers defense was already good. Ours wasn't. Adding an impact player on defense would make more of a difference here than there. We're all hopeful Reddick can be that guy for us ... for at least this year.

So you’re saying the Packers are the best defense in football, right? Since you’re basically saying they had no room for improvement……

[Bootz]

Will Barton be better? Based off of what?

Based on every other OLman that our coaching staff had their hands on in recent years.

What makes the rookies better than vets? Based off of what?

Based on their production and ability to get open.

Everything you've said is a hypothetical.

Ditto every other team in the league ATM.

Based on available evidence, this offense should outperform last years offense.

So I was right, then. You’re just talking out of your ass and hoping the shit you’re slinging at the wall sticks. Got it.

[Grahamburn]

Negative on all things Bucs but all these other GMs are delicate geniuses playing 4D chess.

I agree in general, but can also agree that it is quite silly to say that Parsons doesn't move the SB needle at all for Green Bay but definitely would have for the Bucs. That is really not based on any kind of logic. Before the trade the Packers and Bucs were in about the same tier of NFC contenders, obviously adding a top 5 defender in the league is a major move for them.

Of course it made them better.

[Central_Buc]

No the Bucs have the number 1 D.

It's going to be Angeles in the outfield part 3 in the secondary.

Coming this fall!

[__Chef__]

Because as @Bootz pointed out, Packers defense was already good. Ours wasn't. Adding an impact player on defense would make more of a difference here than there. We're all hopeful Reddick can be that guy for us ... for at least this year.

So you’re saying the Packers are the best defense in football, right? Since you’re basically saying they had no room for improvement……

It would be like us trading 2 firsts for Brian Thomas Jr., and paying him 50/yr. Is our offense better? Sure. Does it move the needle? meh ...