MJW wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 5:48 pm
Grahamburn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 3:40 pm
It’s in jest. Humphrey was taken right before Trask. He’s suggesting the Bucs could have traded the picks used to draft those players and moved up for him during the draft.
That being said.. I think Hainesy steps in and unless he’s an absolute disaster they’ll stick with him.
I love Nobody...one of the sharpest posters here...but the Creed Humphrey thing is what it is. It happened. I'm fairly sure every NFL team passed on him at least once. It's not quite an "eat our hearts out" scenario here.
That’s a bit reductionist I have to say. A few thoughts on this:
* I mentioned above that NFL personnel people (and by extension, clearly due to NFL precedent/insider scoop from GMs, you see it all the time among the media as well now) have been pushing the “Centers and Safeties are easily replaceable, glorified role players” narrative for about two decades now. This has been ongoing despite the reality that it’s been disproven…over…and over…and over. Yes, in some cases guys are replaceable, but across the distribution of “just replaced our C or S w/ JAG prospect” moves in the last 20 years, you’ve seen an absolute abundance of failures (meanwhile, how many great OLs didn’t have great Centers and how many backends had a great Safety replaced by a JAG and kept up the level of play?).
It’s social contagion/ideology. The NFL personnel community is vulnerable to it like everywhere else.
* There is nothing wrong with holding the league accountable for being collectively dumb. And again, a chunk of that is a sort of optics-driven, oracle-reading-tea leaves zeitgeist among scouting communities. You see it all the time and you see it rampant in baseball. “What does his girlfriend looks like?” “You must be this tall to ride. (Oh you’re 6’5 southpaw and can throw 95 at 18 but ZERO command/feel and a poor athlete otherwise? Round 5-9!)” Etc. They develop all of these really dumb heuristics and proxies and they pass them around like the clap. As a result, they miss on great players collectively.
Again, social contagion/ideology.
* When it comes to us specifically? Our case in 2021 draft was different. We were staring down the barrel of Cappa and Jensen being gone with a very short Brady window of relevance. And again, even if we sign one of Jensen/Cappa, we e been extraordinarily lucky with OL injuries. That bill had to come due at some point.
So you could trivially draft both Humphrey (which…I’m sorry…he was a lock Center prospect) and the grab Hainesy as a project in rd 3 (KC needed OL galore and C specifically…the odds that KC wasn’t going to draft Humphrey was pretty low) merely by trading your 4th to move up.
And yes, the cake is already baked. But that doesn’t mean the conversation isn’t interesting.
