Stephon Gilmore

[Defense5599]

Pats are cutting him. Hasn't played this year and is eligible to come off the PUP next week. Should we kick the tires on him?

[King Bootz]

We're not getting into that discussion. He's supposedly going to have a huge market for his services. And unlike Sherm, he ain't taking a league minimum type deal.

[Snake]

Who has cap space? Curious how this will be structured.

[Dread]

Sorry, didn't see this thread.

I'm not sure Gilmore's market will be what he expects.

He's going to be 32 next season and coming off an injury. I get he's a talented player, but what CB his age has ever cashed in on a new deal and been worth it?

I just don't see him getting more than a 2yr deal through next season, which is essentially prorated down to a 1.5yr deal since he can't play til week 7 and would need a week or 2 to acclimate to the new defense.

Seems like he'll go to the highest bidder. Which rules the Bucs out

[Dread]

Who has cap space? Curious how this will be structured.

Who has the cap space and a need at CB that is in win-now mode b/c they think they're a contender.

The Saints and Panthers just addressed the CB position. Although I could see the Panthers making a run at Gilmore.

Hopefully he stays in the AFC

[King Bootz]

[King Bootz]

Sorry, didn't see this thread.

I'm not sure Gilmore's market will be what he expects.

He's going to be 32 next season and coming off an injury. I get he's a talented player, but what CB his age has ever cashed in on a new deal and been worth it?

I just don't see him getting more than a 2yr deal through next season, which is essentially prorated down to a 1.5yr deal since he can't play til week 7 and would need a week or 2 to acclimate to the new defense.

Seems like he'll go to the highest bidder. Which rules the Bucs out

He can actually play as soon as he's healthy. He's no longer bound by the parameters of the PUP list.

I actually think he'll have a pretty good market. 30 isn't what it use to be for CBs in this league and we have seen a few injuries. To answer @Snake the Ravens have significant cap space and I could see them giving him a call. They lost Marcus Peters before the season started and could use help at corner. Seattle is another attractive option as well. His agent will get some calls for sure and I think a small bidding war could occur.

[Kress]

It's not crazy. He's a half-year player coming off an injury, so he could sign a "prove it" deal with a team for the remainder. He plays 9-10 games, shows he's still elite, then goes contract shopping this offseason. As long as he thinks he can still prove he's essentially a top 3 corner in this league (and what elite corner doesn't have that ego), a contract he signs next offseason will more than make up for the difference in what most teams would be willing to offer him here and now.

So, if he does something like that, why not go to a contender and prove your way to a ring? A contender with Brady on it. That one.

I have my doubts, but like I said, it's not crazy.

[Dread]

Gilmore will have a market, but imo it won't be a top of market deal given that he's 31yrs old.

I say that from the perspective of looking at CBs who signed new contracts at 31 or older.

Imo he's looking at a 2yr deal for about $10M APY.

Ravens make alot of sense if they can afford him

[MJW]

Do what we need to do. Make this happen.

[King Bootz]

Gilmore will have a market, but imo it won't be a top of market deal given that he's 31yrs old.

I say that from the perspective of looking at CBs who signed new contracts at 31 or older.

Imo he's looking at a 2yr deal for about $10M APY.

Ravens make alot of sense if they can afford him

Sherman at age 30 signed a 3yr deal with the 49ers for about $10m APY. That's not terrible. And I could see Gilmore getting similar. The deal he just got released from was signed in 2017 for $13m APY. So $10m isn't a huge decrease.

Baltimore has a little over $13mil in cap space. They pride themselves on elite defense and they are currently the 24th ranked pass defense. I would almost guarantee they'll give Gilmore a call.

[Tnbandwagoner]

Do what we need to do. Make this happen.

In Webster's under the term, "no-brainer," there is a picture of Stephon Gilmore wearing a Bucs helmet.

[Kress]

Baltimore has a little over $13mil in cap space. They pride themselves on elite defense and they are currently the 24th ranked pass defense. I would almost guarantee they'll give Gilmore a call.

According to overthecap, the Bucs have $3.3M in cap space. That's a nice 1/2 year prove it deal. The team prides itself on elite defense and it is currently the 32nd ranked pass defense. Same guarantee?

[King Bootz]

Baltimore has a little over $13mil in cap space. They pride themselves on elite defense and they are currently the 24th ranked pass defense. I would almost guarantee they'll give Gilmore a call.

According to overthecap, the Bucs have $3.3M in cap space. That's a nice 1/2 year prove it deal. The team prides itself on elite defense and it is currently the 32nd ranked pass defense. Same guarantee?

$3.3m doesn't get it done IMO. Gilmore reportedly wanted a raise from the $7mil he was slated to receive this year. Do the math there. Plus, you don't use all of your cap space in 1 transaction. You still need room to operate for the rest of the year.

Furthermore, we've already addressed the CB position by signing 3 guys over the last couple of weeks. Sherman, Robinson, Desir. Dean is slated to return this week as well. Our issues up front should be addressed at some point. We've put quite a bit into the back end without addressing the pass rush.

[King Bootz]

[Grahamburn]

What makes anyone think Gilmore cares about a ring in Tampa? There will likely be plenty of contenders bidding for his services. He'll go to the highest one.

[Doctor]

#BradyEffect
Do it Dom

[King Bootz]

Gonna have to watch this one all day. Apparently the release doesn't become official until 4pm. Would also make him unavailable to play this weekend. Pats are savvy.

[Kress]

What makes anyone think Gilmore cares about a ring in Tampa? There will likely be plenty of contenders bidding for his services. He'll go to the highest one.

Yes and no. I agree that saying we are the defending champs is nearly meaningless. It's not like back-to-back is a regular occurrence. But we have heard it from players time and again - including from Sherman just recently - the Brady pull is a real thing.

[Kress]

Gonna have to watch this one all day. Apparently the release doesn't become official until 4pm. Would also make him unavailable to play this weekend. Pats are savvy.

Oh wow. I hadn't heard that.

Bastards. Chum the water, then dangle trade bait with a hard and fast deadline. I repeat, bastards.

[King Bootz]

Gonna have to watch this one all day. Apparently the release doesn't become official until 4pm. Would also make him unavailable to play this weekend. Pats are savvy.

Oh wow. I hadn't heard that.

Bastards. Chum the water, then dangle trade bait with a hard and fast deadline. I repeat, bastards.

Savvy bastards. This is smart business. Trade for him now at his current salary or wait until he's released and potentially have to pay more for his services. Can't call him before he's released so you don't know what his demands are. Bill knows this game better than anyone else.

[King Bootz]

@LUGZ no it's not tampering.

[Grahamburn]

High class tweet from him.

[Grahamburn]

What makes anyone think Gilmore cares about a ring in Tampa? There will likely be plenty of contenders bidding for his services. He'll go to the highest one.

Yes and no. I agree that saying we are the defending champs is nearly meaningless. It's not like back-to-back is a regular occurrence. But we have heard it from players time and again - including from Sherman just recently - the Brady pull is a real thing.

Hearing it from Sherman, and other flawed FA's who've come here, is one thing. Hearing it from a player who wants $15M AAV, and was willing to get released/traded because of it, is another.

[Snake]

He would look pretty good in Packer green alongside Alexander.

[Primeminister]

He would look pretty good in Packer green alongside Alexander.

You stop speaking that evil right now!

[King Bootz]

Yes and no. I agree that saying we are the defending champs is nearly meaningless. It's not like back-to-back is a regular occurrence. But we have heard it from players time and again - including from Sherman just recently - the Brady pull is a real thing.

Hearing it from Sherman, and other flawed FA's who've come here, is one thing. Hearing it from a player who wants $15M AAV, and was willing to get released/traded because of it, is another.

This is an ugly, ugly fact. And it needs to be taken into consideration. Gilmore isn't a vet with off field baggage and on his last chance like AB or Sherman (Sherman isn't on his last chance). He's not beat up and coming off of retirement like Gronk was. Really what other noteworthy FAs have come here because of Brady? Gio? Shady? Gilmore had off-season surgery, yes. But by all accounts is still a top player and wants to be paid as such. That's not the same as the guys we've brought in since Brady got here

[Kress]

@LUGZ no it's not tampering.

It's not tampering, but it's also not like said mystery player could talk numbers.

[Jason Bourne]

He is making 7 mill this year , we are 4 games in so we would need about 4 million . We are 3.5 million under the cap right now ..

It could happen folks

[Primeminister]

He is making 7 mill this year , we are 4 games in so we would need about 4 million . We are 3.5 million under the cap right now ..

It could happen folks

He reportedly wants $15M.

[Snake]

He is making 7 mill this year , we are 4 games in so we would need about 4 million . We are 3.5 million under the cap right now ..

It could happen folks

He reportedly wants $15M.

He’s out to lunch. 4 CBs have a $15m cap hit in 2021 and all four teams would rather be spending that money differently. I really struggle to see a team willing to pay that given his age and recent injury history.

[Primeminister]

He reportedly wants $15M.

He’s out to lunch. 4 CBs have a $15m cap hit in 2021 and all four teams would rather be spending that money differently. I really struggle to see a team willing to pay that given his age and recent injury history.

Trust me I hope you’re right and he decides to come to Tampa for a bargain. That would change our defense overnight.

[Snake]

you know whats really crazy? The Dominik/Revis contrast in retrospect.

[Dread]

[Snake]

The Tom Brady Effect. Come down here, get your ring, rebuild your value