Stephon Gilmore

[Primeminister]

Wake me when we get a “The Buccaneers and Gilmore have mutual interest” tweet.

[Primeminister]

[Dread]

Who knows what Gilmore's motivations are in deciding where to sign. I'm sure he'd love to get top dollar and a contender, but it rarely works that way since most contenders don't have $10-15M in cap space in October.

Perhaps a $15M contract is possible for Gilmore, $15M APY would be the 7th highest in the NFL at the CB position.

Here are the teams and their effective cap space

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

Whoever signs Gilmore will likely needs to be creative with the structure in addition to restructuring some existing contracts.

Gilmore is from South Carolina and the 3-1 Panthers have ample cap space along with first round pick Jaycee Horn on the IR. I know they just traded a 3rd rd pick for CJ Henderson and also have Donte Jackson (whose about to be a FA). But you can never have a enough good CBs in todays NFL when you have to beat teams like the Bucs, Chiefs, Rams, Packers, etc.

Packers make alot of sense also. As someone mentioned having Gilmore and Jaire Alexander would make that pass defense tough.

[King Bootz]

I think the long term prognosis of our initial starting QBs will factor heavily in the decision to make a serious play for Gilmore or not. Dean is slated to return this week. CD3 will be out for a month. SMB we don't know but he is eligible to come off I.R. this week.

If OBP feels they'll have all 3 back before seasons end, I don't think Gilmore will be a real option. Your 4th, 5th corners need to be guys who routinely play STs. That's not SMB, Dean, or CD3. Yes, they get snaps, but not as often. Plus, why are you benching any of the 3? In essence all 3 would be benched in a base 3-4 defense with Gilmore and Sherman on board. There can be too much of a thing sometimes and adding Gilmore complicates things unless you get rid of at least 1 of CD3, Dean, SMB.

[AJPG]

Who has cap space? Curious how this will be structured.

Read somewhere that on a $15M/yr deal he would only need $10M for remainder of the season and that could translate to $2.5M in cap space, which Bucs have. I'm not a cap expert.

[AJPG]

Who has cap space? Curious how this will be structured.

Who has the cap space and a need at CB that is in win-now mode b/c they think they're a contender.

The Saints and Panthers just addressed the CB position. Although I could see the Panthers making a run at Gilmore.

Hopefully he stays in the AFC

Green Bay

[AJPG]

He reportedly started following Licht and Arians.

[Snake]

He reportedly started following Licht and Arians.

[nybf]

I think the long term prognosis of our initial starting QBs will factor heavily in the decision to make a serious play for Gilmore or not.

Pretty sure Brady's prognosis is fine.

[AJPG]

Apparently his quad is fine. This is all about money.

[AJPG]

[AJPG]

It's happening. Secondary problems resolved!

[Cheb]

If we restructure Ryan Succop's contract, we can get a million there. That's a thought.

As far as Gilmore here, for sure. If we can make the money work, I don't see how you can argue against that embarrassment of riches, except to say that when everyone becomes healthy we will have de-facto benched either expensive free agent(s) or established starter(s).

But our top five corners would be in some order Stephon Gilmore, Richard Sherman, Carlton Davis the Third, Jamel Dean, and Sean Murphy-Bunting? That's nuts.

[Tnbandwagoner]

He would look pretty good in Packer green alongside Alexander.

You stop speaking that evil right now!

Don't you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby!

[King Bootz]

[Jason Bourne]

He is making 7 mill this year , we are 4 games in so we would need about 4 million . We are 3.5 million under the cap right now ..

It could happen folks

He reportedly wants $15M.

Oh I thought he was under contract for 7 mill this year

[Tnbandwagoner]

Be still my heart.

He makes mistakes at times, but he's a shutdown corner. He often takes the opposing team's top WR one-on-one, and shuts him down. His impact would be immediate and dramatic.

[King Bootz]

Green Bay is emerging as the early favorite.

[Kress]

I think the long term prognosis of our initial starting QBs will factor heavily in the decision to make a serious play for Gilmore or not. Dean is slated to return this week. CD3 will be out for a month. SMB we don't know but he is eligible to come off I.R. this week.

If OBP feels they'll have all 3 back before seasons end, I don't think Gilmore will be a real option. Your 4th, 5th corners need to be guys who routinely play STs. That's not SMB, Dean, or CD3. Yes, they get snaps, but not as often. Plus, why are you benching any of the 3? In essence all 3 would be benched in a base 3-4 defense with Gilmore and Sherman on board. There can be too much of a thing sometimes and adding Gilmore complicates things unless you get rid of at least 1 of CD3, Dean, SMB.

I disagree. Question #1: Does he make us better? Answer to Question #1: Yes.

He would immediately be our #1 corner. Why would we make a decision on #1 based on what it would make us have to do with #s 5 and 6? The only relevant issue should be the money.

[Kress]

Can I just also add.....

I'm told just now that @Kress is at least one poster that "will definitely investigate" having lunch today, per board source.

What a meaningless tweet.

[Moozician]

stretch dick down the rest of the league.

Wut?

[Tnbandwagoner]

I think the long term prognosis of our initial starting QBs will factor heavily in the decision to make a serious play for Gilmore or not. Dean is slated to return this week. CD3 will be out for a month. SMB we don't know but he is eligible to come off I.R. this week.

If OBP feels they'll have all 3 back before seasons end, I don't think Gilmore will be a real option. Your 4th, 5th corners need to be guys who routinely play STs. That's not SMB, Dean, or CD3. Yes, they get snaps, but not as often. Plus, why are you benching any of the 3? In essence all 3 would be benched in a base 3-4 defense with Gilmore and Sherman on board. There can be too much of a thing sometimes and adding Gilmore complicates things unless you get rid of at least 1 of CD3, Dean, SMB.

I disagree. Question #1: Does he make us better? Answer to Question #1: Yes.

He would immediately be our #1 corner. Why would we make a decision on #1 based on what it would make us have to do with #s 5 and 6? The only relevant issue should be the money.

Stephon Gilmore is as much better at cornerback than Jamel Dean as Jamel Dean is better than I am at cornerback. That old expression of light-years distance between two things that are really, really far apart? There's light-years' difference, and then there's the gap between Dean and Gilmore.

Beyond that, Gilmore is on another level, considerably so, than SMB and CD3. We're talking the difference between Kevin Durant and Khris Middleton. One is a good player who makes a difference at times; the other is a dominant game-changer every week.

[Tnbandwagoner]

If we snag Gilmore, this is the scenario that's setup. Hopefully we go at least 2-2 over the next four games. Hit the bye week.

After the bye, we have Gilmore and Sherman both in game shape and very acclimated with the playbook and scheme. We then likely get Gronk, SMB, and CD3 back from injury. We now have a stacked secondary that's all healthy and ready to go.

Then we begin our actual playoff stretch dick down the rest of the league.

If we lose two out of the next four, regardless of who our cornerbacks are, some heads need to roll. The next four are as easy of a stretch as there is to be found anywhere in this year's schedule. Back-up QB, second-year QB who's not very good, rookie or washed-up QB, Jaboo. If we lose two of those we need to trade the whole defense.

[nybf]

2023 6th round pick going from Carolina to New England.

[Hit55]

I think the long term prognosis of our initial starting QBs will factor heavily in the decision to make a serious play for Gilmore or not. Dean is slated to return this week. CD3 will be out for a month. SMB we don't know but he is eligible to come off I.R. this week.

If OBP feels they'll have all 3 back before seasons end, I don't think Gilmore will be a real option. Your 4th, 5th corners need to be guys who routinely play STs. That's not SMB, Dean, or CD3. Yes, they get snaps, but not as often. Plus, why are you benching any of the 3? In essence all 3 would be benched in a base 3-4 defense with Gilmore and Sherman on board. There can be too much of a thing sometimes and adding Gilmore complicates things unless you get rid of at least 1 of CD3, Dean, SMB.

It doesn't have to be a "benching," necessarily. Just putting the best players on the field, no matter who it is. The Bucs are in Nickel more than any other formation on defense (including the base 3-4) anyways. Plus, the injuries in our CB room very clearly demonstrate how quickly a position of "strength" can become a position of weakness.

It's also not like Dean and SMB were exactly lightning it up while they were on the field. In fact, they were a very real liability this season. SMB was shaky at best and Dean was playing VH3 ball (no confidence). CD3 was the only defensive back through the first bunch of games who was worth any semblance of a damn.

Speaking of...evidently, CD3 does play ST. Quite a bit of it as well:

[Tnbandwagoner]

If we land Gilmore he will make as much of an impact on defense as Gronk has on offense. Hopefully Licht is pulling out all the stops to make this happen.

[King Bootz]

2023 6th round pick going from Carolina to New England.

In case anyone missed it....

[Primeminister]

2023 6th round pick going from Carolina to New England.

Carolina is determined to have a great pass defense. Damn! I believe Belichick sent Gilmore to Carolina for peanuts and would never have traded him here.

[Hit55]

2023 6th round pick going from Carolina to New England.

Yikes!

[Primeminister]

In case anyone missed it....

Are you fucking kidding me? We couldn't top that? What a shit show.

What if the Pats just weren’t going to trade to Tampa? Nothing we can do about that.

[King Bootz]

2023 6th round pick going from Carolina to New England.

Carolina is determined to have a great pass defense. Damn! I believe Belichick sent Gilmore to Carolina for peanuts and would never have traded him here.

Yep. I'll post the tweet, but he also expressed interest in being closer to his home in South Carolina. Bill did him a solid sending him there.

[King Bootz]

[Primeminister]

Carolina is determined to have a great pass defense. Damn! I believe Belichick sent Gilmore to Carolina for peanuts and would never have traded him here.

Yep. I'll post the tweet, but he also expressed interest in being closer to his home in South Carolina. Bill did him a solid sending him there.

Makes sense. This trade and the Garropolo trade showed that Bill will take a loss on trades when he wants to do the player a solid.

[Hit55]

2023 6th round pick going from Carolina to New England.

Carolina is determined to have a great pass defense. Damn! I believe Belichick sent Gilmore to Carolina for peanuts and would never have traded him here.

Must still be a bit salty about Brady's success beyond the Pats and wants to make it that much more annoying when the Bucs play Carolina twice this year. He probably would have trade Gilmore to any NFC South team not named the Bucs, for peanuts...

[Defense5599]

And it's official. Carolina got him for a sixth rounder. Wow, just wow. Another slight of hand by BeliCHEAT