NFL trade deadline November 4th

[bucarican]

Do the Bucs make a move? Should they? If they make a move what do you think they do?

[Snake]

I don’t like their prospects in the playoffs at this point. I’m in favor of a move or two.

The cap will always be barrier, but it can be overcome. Bust out the credit card.

[BucsNBills]

We're not a real playoff threat without a legit pass rusher. We seem to be doing okay as a group, but there's nobody on defense that teams have to gameplan around.

Oline help would be good. As would a weapon for Baker as clearly we don't have the juice anymore with so many injuries.

It makes sense to me that Licht would wait to see how things went today both in outcome and injuries before making a move. Assuming Parrish is fine, with us being 6-2, Licht may feel comfortable now doing some shopping.

Supposedly the Titans are willing to trade anyone not named Cam Ward or Jeffery Simmons, which if true opens the possibility for Cedric Grey, their really good young linebacker.

[Bootz]

Licht's gonna say the help we need is either injured or on I.R.

[BucsNBills]

Licht's gonna say the help we need is either injured or on I.R.

That... Actually sounds like some dumb ass shit he would say.

Anyways, back to watching Micah Parsons wreck the game.

[Miller4Prez64]

I’d be stunned if we made a major trade. It’s just not Licht’s style. The reason the team has remained competitive is because of his commitment to building in the draft and with our roster being expensive and our QB up for a new big deal, we will need those picks to fill the roster with cheap talent.

[Nobody]

I doubt we will make a move, but this iOL is an absolute mess. If we don’t trade for an NFL caliber RG, this will not be a playoff threat of a football team.

Our run game is absolutely decimated due to our interior.

We’ve given up a crazy amount of pressure from the interior (and the some off the edge for that matter) these last weeks.

You cannot play offense in the NFL with a bottom tier iOL. Can’t do it. And right now, we’re bottom tier iOL.

[BucsNBills]

What's the verdict on Graham?

Is he a center?

[Bootz]

What's the verdict on Graham?

Is he a center?

Trial by fire. Even if the trial takes years

[BuccaNOLEer]

I’d be stunned if we made a major trade. It’s just not Licht’s style. The reason the team has remained competitive is because of his commitment to building in the draft and with our roster being expensive and our QB up for a new big deal, we will need those picks to fill the roster with cheap talent.

That's not a bad strategy to have... if you make the right picks. And Licht has made some good hits but also some terrible misses.

The question is, why aren't we combing the waiver wire?

[Jonny]

What's the verdict on Graham?

Is he a center?

Barton is a reason why Licht should not worship draft picks in what could be a potential SB caliber year even with all the injuries.

After the bye, we are potentially looking at the return of Goedeke, Godwin and McMillan. A healthier offense and the schedule could allow us to potentially be among at least the top 2 seeds of NFC if we get more consistent play from defense.

Whether it be with an upgrade at ILB or OLB, Bucs need the defense to be playmaking and steady by eliminating major areas of weaknesses.

Being complacent with OLB based on health of Diaby and one off performance from Nelson would be a major mistake.

Dennis had a couple of good plays against the Saints, but watch replays of when QBs take off on scrambles, including the play when Nelson forced the fumble. Dennis, away from LOS by 8 yds was waiting for QB to come to him for a tackle out of the fear of being juked and missing the tackle. That is some pathetic shit. Watch how LBs have been attacking Baker's scrambles the last two weeks and also vs Eagles. They close the gap and prevent him from gaining momentum in open field. We need that kind of ILB play badly.

[Central_Buc]

What's the verdict on Graham?

Is he a center?

WR 1

[Grahamburn]

Can we call the Titans about Kevin Zeitler or the Bengals for Dalton Risner?

[Doctor]

[Bootz]

Who came out as the initial winner of this trade?

[13F11B]

Who came out as the initial winner of this trade?

Given that the Rams got a player for what amounts to half a draft pick, it seems like the Rams.

[__Chef__]

I’d be stunned if we made a major trade. It’s just not Licht’s style. The reason the team has remained competitive is because of his commitment to building in the draft and with our roster being expensive and our QB up for a new big deal, we will need those picks to fill the roster with cheap talent.

If Licht/Bowles had shown the ability to draft and develop edge or ILB, we wouldn't be in the market for trading for them in the first place.

OL & WR being injury decimated is a whole different matter.

[Obsolete]

I dont see the bucs trading for any OL or any position they think is "set" when their starters are back.

I do think they might kick the tires on another edge and an ILB or 2 considering those are areas of need and our starters arent that great to begin with.

[__Chef__]

I dont see the bucs trading for any OL or any position they think is "set" when their starters are back.

I do think they might kick the tires on another edge and an ILB or 2 considering those are areas of need and our starters arent that great to begin with.

I'm not banking on Licht swinging for the fences ... just competent backups at positions of need would be huge wins.

[Pirate Life]

Jordyn Brooks from Miami could work. Miami reworked his contract a week or so ago. Almost no cap hit to the team that trades for him.

[Selmon Rules]

Like @Nobody above, the RG position is lacking and IOL pressure kills an offense. OLB needs to be stronger and ILB is weak as well.

I don't really expect a trade for anyone but I'm hopeful for a one year rental at RG as Mauch should be back next year

[Nobody]

What's the verdict on Graham?

Is he a center?

The jury is still out.

* He’s a great movement athlete and great player in space. But that toolkit only describes a fraction of necessary means for a Center (and only auxiliary means at that). Presently, he’s not reliably shown the huge cognitive and physical pieces necessary; (a) processing fronts/alignments and consistently making correct line calls, (b) winning with immediacy at the snap with base/leverage + arms/hands + then maintaining leverage, (c) processing line games and late 2nd level blitzers then finding that pick-up/work and erasing them.

* When you’re transitioning to a new position (particularly one with the novelty and intricacy of Center), the last thing you need is a situation in persistent flux. The iOL has to act as one connected piece. Personnel going in/out and poor Guard play (he’s suffered both) is brutal for his process.

———

Jury still out. Skepticism is very warranted presently. And him transitioning to Guard is no sure thing either. While he absolutely possesses all the movement skills for a Guard, that (b) and (c) above haven’t shown. You can’t play OG to even an average level without those two.

[Jonny]

What's the verdict on Graham?

Is he a center?

The jury is still out.

* He’s a great movement athlete and great player in space. But that toolkit only describes a fraction of necessary means for a Center (and only auxiliary means at that). Presently, he’s not reliably shown the huge cognitive and physical pieces necessary; (a) processing fronts/alignments and consistently making correct line calls, (b) winning with immediacy at the snap with base/leverage + arms/hands + then maintaining leverage, (c) processing line games and late 2nd level blitzers then finding that pick-up/work and erasing them.

* When you’re transitioning to a new position (particularly one with the novelty and intricacy of Center), the last thing you need is a situation in persistent flux. The iOL has to act as one connected piece. Personnel going in/out and poor Guard play (he’s suffered both) is brutal for his process.

———

Jury still out. Skepticism is very warranted presently. And him transitioning to Guard is no sure thing either. While he absolutely possesses all the movement skills for a Guard, that (b) and (c) above haven’t shown. You can’t play OG to even an average level without those two.

Great detail.

As a layman, my issue with Barton has been that he does not display mauler like attributes as a run blocker not does he should the ability to take on physical D-Tackles or speedy D-Tackles particularly well.

Every team will try to have a version of Vea or Kancey in the interior and he seems to struggle against both types in all phases.

Is it also the case that his play has regressed this year from average to below average? Your point about lack of continuity is definitely valid.

[Bootz]

[Nobody]

For shits and giggles, I'm going to grade the iOLs of the last 5 Super Bowl winners (dating to our win) and contrast with our present iOL of Bredeson, Barton, Haggard/Jordan/Feeney.

2025-26 Bucs: (a charitable) D

vs last 5 Super Bowl winners:

2024-25 Eagles: B
2023-24 Chiefs: A+
2022-23 Chiefs: A+
2021-22 Rams: B
2020-21 Bucs: A

I would guess that trend would hold pretty steadily. I doubt we would find a Super Bowl winner with an iOL playing worse than a C+ grade during their run. Poor interior line play means (a) you're giving up the worst kind of pressure and giving it up often (which is a deathknell for the passing game...look at what happened to Brady in his final year with the Patriots) and (b) your ability to convert on 3rd and short and Low Redzone is nill.

Mauch was an ascendent RG, playing very well. While Bredeson and Barton are neither world-beaters in isolation, the three of them in concert played at a B to B+ level over the course of their games together last year. If we don't sort out the RG position, the (a) and (b) above are going to suffer significantly for a value of "significantly" that equals "not a legitimate Super Bowl contender."

[Central_Buc]

What's the verdict on Graham?

Is he a center?

WR 1

Rough crowd

[Cheb]

I don't know if making a splash trade is going to save us, and more importantly I think Licht would agree with me:

Who would we acquire to fix our hole at right guard? Assuming that Goedeke comes back from injury soon-ish, that would mean that we would have 4 out of our 5 normal offensive line starters. Any guy we trade for would at most be a band-aid for the second half of the season and the playoffs, with Mauch taking back his spot next season. Do we go for a guy like Evan Neal from the Giants, a former top pick who isn't even getting snaps for them? Doubt it.

One guy who I would be VERY interested in would be Joel Bitonio from the Browns; he's an older guy at 34, is currently on a one year deal with the Browns, and this could be his chance for playoff success and a Superbowl. We have the cap space to afford him, and flipping a late round pick to the Browns would be worth the stability. However, Joel is a Browns team captain and a lifelong player with that team, so they may not be willing to part with him. More's the pity.

I am not sure we would trade for a receiver. We have a bevvy of players we like who are injured; Godwin is (probably?) going to be returning after the bye, McMillan should (hopefully) be back before the playoffs, and Mike may be back by the end of the year. I think we ride the horses we have.

Similarly, I don't think we trade for a big-name defender, especially given our most recent performance against the Saints. An optimist would say "look at what our defense just did, and that's WITH touchdowns being taken off the board on returns, our dudes are humming, why change anything up just when they began to hit their stride?" I could argue against that, but I could just see Bowles and Licht having this same conversation. Moreover, Bowles loves to wax poetic about how mentally taxing his scheme is, and adding a player who would have little time to cognitively process that to the point where he could play fast on the field could also be a deal-breaker; one I wouldn't think is very logical, but again I digress.

TL;DR - Bitonio is intriguing but I doubt it'll happen, doubt any other trade.

[Nobody]

I don't know if making a splash trade is going to save us, and more importantly I think Licht would agree with me:

Who would we acquire to fix our hole at right guard? Assuming that Goedeke comes back from injury soon-ish, that would mean that we would have 4 out of our 5 normal offensive line starters. Any guy we trade for would at most be a band-aid for the second half of the season and the playoffs, with Mauch taking back his spot next season. Do we go for a guy like Evan Neal from the Giants, a former top pick who isn't even getting snaps for them? Doubt it.

One guy who I would be VERY interested in would be Joel Bitonio from the Browns; he's an older guy at 34, is currently on a one year deal with the Browns, and this could be his chance for playoff success and a Superbowl. We have the cap space to afford him, and flipping a late round pick to the Browns would be worth the stability. However, Joel is a Browns team captain and a lifelong player with that team, so they may not be willing to part with him. More's the pity.

I am not sure we would trade for a receiver. We have a bevvy of players we like who are injured; Godwin is (probably?) going to be returning after the bye, McMillan should (hopefully) be back before the playoffs, and Mike may be back by the end of the year. I think we ride the horses we have.

Similarly, I don't think we trade for a big-name defender, especially given our most recent performance against the Saints. An optimist would say "look at what our defense just did, and that's WITH touchdowns being taken off the board on returns, our dudes are humming, why change anything up just when they began to hit their stride?" I could argue against that, but I could just see Bowles and Licht having this same conversation. Moreover, Bowles loves to wax poetic about how mentally taxing his scheme is, and adding a player who would have little time to cognitively process that to the point where he could play fast on the field could also be a deal-breaker; one I wouldn't think is very logical, but again I digress.

TL;DR - Bitonio is intriguing but I doubt it'll happen, doubt any other trade.

Zeitler and Bitonio were the two I was thinking for the reasons you mention. One year rentals (contract through this year), mid-30s, still playing quality ball.

Plug-and-play vets who allow this interior to cohere after some reps. Right now, the awful player at RG is making the two C- players to their left look worse than they are. Need a stable, able, available, glue-guy as force multiplier for the right of those two guys. OC also needs it as he’s calling plays like the interior to right side can’t hold up (because they can’t). Barton also needs it if he has any hope at that position.

But you’re almost surely right. Licht isn’t apt to make a trade. Run this experiment 10 times, you maybe get 1-2 trades out of him.

[Grahamburn]

An older RG on a one year deal is a perfect option. Just someone who doesn’t get rag dolled.

[Bootz]

Jordyn Brooks from Miami could work. Miami reworked his contract a week or so ago. Almost no cap hit to the team that trades for him.

If only. Bowles acts like his ILB position is advanced organic chemistry and takes eons to learn. That's why he A. Doesn't rotate them much at all and B. Has barely made personnel changes there since he got here.

Brooks wouldn't be "ready" by his standards until the Pro Bowl.

[Phantom]

I’m curious, if you were the Bucs general manager, what draft pick or player would you be willing to give up to get Trey Hendrickson?

[mdb1958]

I don't know if making a splash trade is going to save us, and more importantly I think Licht would agree with me:

Who would we acquire to fix our hole at right guard? Assuming that Goedeke comes back from injury soon-ish, that would mean that we would have 4 out of our 5 normal offensive line starters. Any guy we trade for would at most be a band-aid for the second half of the season and the playoffs, with Mauch taking back his spot next season. Do we go for a guy like Evan Neal from the Giants, a former top pick who isn't even getting snaps for them? Doubt it.

One guy who I would be VERY interested in would be Joel Bitonio from the Browns; he's an older guy at 34, is currently on a one year deal with the Browns, and this could be his chance for playoff success and a Superbowl. We have the cap space to afford him, and flipping a late round pick to the Browns would be worth the stability. However, Joel is a Browns team captain and a lifelong player with that team, so they may not be willing to part with him. More's the pity.

I am not sure we would trade for a receiver. We have a bevvy of players we like who are injured; Godwin is (probably?) going to be returning after the bye, McMillan should (hopefully) be back before the playoffs, and Mike may be back by the end of the year. I think we ride the horses we have.

Similarly, I don't think we trade for a big-name defender, especially given our most recent performance against the Saints. An optimist would say "look at what our defense just did, and that's WITH touchdowns being taken off the board on returns, our dudes are humming, why change anything up just when they began to hit their stride?" I could argue against that, but I could just see Bowles and Licht having this same conversation. Moreover, Bowles loves to wax poetic about how mentally taxing his scheme is, and adding a player who would have little time to cognitively process that to the point where he could play fast on the field could also be a deal-breaker; one I wouldn't think is very logical, but again I digress.

TL;DR - Bitonio is intriguing but I doubt it'll happen, doubt any other trade.

What has me is since training camp Klein was supposed to be that guard, but instead we have went thru Haggard, Jordan, and Feeney because?

[mdb1958]

Does any NFL team make more moves than New England? They always seem to have someone willing to make a trade. The Bucs might be at the bottom of the list.

[BuccaNOLEer]

Jordyn Brooks from Miami could work. Miami reworked his contract a week or so ago. Almost no cap hit to the team that trades for him.

If only. Bowles acts like his ILB position is advanced organic chemistry and takes eons to learn. That's why he A. Doesn't rotate them much at all and B. Has barely made personnel changes there since he got here.

Brooks wouldn't be "ready" by his standards until the Pro Bowl.

Miami needs DB help and I'm sure they'd be willing to part ways with Brooks for a guy like Christian Izien. Maybe flip them a late round pick to sweeten the pot.

But Licht will stand pat because that's what he does.

[Redrum]

If only. Bowles acts like his ILB position is advanced organic chemistry and takes eons to learn. That's why he A. Doesn't rotate them much at all and B. Has barely made personnel changes there since he got here.

Brooks wouldn't be "ready" by his standards until the Pro Bowl.

Miami needs DB help and I'm sure they'd be willing to part ways with Brooks for a guy like Christian Izien. Maybe flip them a late round pick to sweeten the pot.

But Licht will stand pat because that's what he does.

Dean would be more likely.