Rapid response Week 8 Bucs Bounce back and Beat the Saints

[Swashbuckler]

Vs 6-2 Patriots
@ 5-2 Bills
@ 5-2 Rams

Gets no easier.

Worst case is is 0-3 but if we can take one out of the 3, 7-4 isnt too bad going into the easier part of the scedule.

The Patriots could conceivably end up having one of the easiest strengths of schedule in history. We are talking .362 the rest of the season and have beaten I'm not the slightest bit worried. Save for the Bills their average opponent has like 2.65 wins on the season. On their own the Bills have 5 wins and Miami, New Orleans, Tennessee and Cleveland alone combine for 6.

Now speaking of Buffalo. They give me pause. The Rams too

[Doctor]

An absolutely fantastic start to the season. Best in franchise history. Now we get to regroup on the bye.

I don't think we're getting back as many people as some think. Not until Thanksgiving at least. Still a rough road ahead.

[Sdbucs]

We got absolutely robbed of 2/3 TDs today. Like purely off the refs deciding so, incorrectly. And we just have to sit and take it and accept it and move on.

Just insane. I feel like my views towards the NFL have been permanently changed after today.

There was NO whistle and the refs said there was. The refs openly just lied/were wrong, blatantly. It’s just absurd.

[GreatTimes]

An absolutely fantastic start to the season. Best in franchise history. Now we get to regroup on the bye.

I don't think we're getting back as many people as some think. Not until Thanksgiving at least. Still a rough road ahead.

I remember that in 1979 the Bucs started 6-0.

[Babeinbucland]

[Buc2]

An absolutely fantastic start to the season. Best in franchise history. Now we get to regroup on the bye.

I don't think we're getting back as many people as some think. Not until Thanksgiving at least. Still a rough road ahead.

I remember that in 1979 the Bucs started 6-0.

And finished the season 1 win away from a SB birth.

[BuccaNOLEer]

Bucs were done a solid today with Atlanta and Carolina losing and suddenly have a commanding lead in the NFC South. They are 6-2 going into the bye which is better than I hoped for.

[13F11B]

An absolutely fantastic start to the season. Best in franchise history. Now we get to regroup on the bye.

I don't think we're getting back as many people as some think. Not until Thanksgiving at least. Still a rough road ahead.

I remember that in 1979 the Bucs started 6-0.

5-0 and then lost the next two games is what I remember.

They lost to the 0-5 Giants and then the 2-4 Saints.

[Doctor]

An absolutely fantastic start to the season. Best in franchise history. Now we get to regroup on the bye.

I don't think we're getting back as many people as some think. Not until Thanksgiving at least. Still a rough road ahead.

I remember that in 1979 the Bucs started 6-0.

1979 was a 5-2 start.
Then 6-2 (tied for best start after 8 games with 2025)
Then 7-2 (hopefully we get there).

[Phantom]

I remember that in 1979 the Bucs started 6-0.

1979 was a 5-2 start.
Then 6-2 (tied for best start after 8 games with 2025)
Then 7-2 (hopefully we get there).

I believe we had a record of 7-2 before the collapse in 2009. This was Gruden’s final years as Bucs head coach.

[Doctor]

That's my GM

[Central_Buc]

Worst case is is 0-3 but if we can take one out of the 3, 7-4 isnt too bad going into the easier part of the scedule.

The Patriots could conceivably end up having one of the easiest strengths of schedule in history. We are talking .362 the rest of the season and have beaten I'm not the slightest bit worried. Save for the Bills their average opponent has like 2.65 wins on the season. On their own the Bills have 5 wins and Miami, New Orleans, Tennessee and Cleveland alone combine for 6.

Now speaking of Buffalo. They give me pause. The Rams too

I'm thinking the Pats go easy on us, they have the Jets the following week. You're right, we are the best they'll face besides the Bills. We might be their only loss going forward.

[Pirate Life]

Not a good look for the NFL:




... and even worse:



Toss in the really bad botch of the tush push fumble in the Giants game along with a host of other questionable calls this year and the league needs to do something or the conspiracy theories are going to start spreading like wildfire.

[Doctor]

If there was one it shouldn't be hard for that ref to say, yes it was me. But repeatedly saying "a whistle" with no name is just sus.

[Bootz]

If there was one it shouldn't be hard for that ref to say, yes it was me. But repeatedly saying "a whistle" with no name is just sus.

At this point if they interviewed each ref separately, you know by that point they would have already decided who the sacrificial lamb would be. There clearly was no whistle.

[Pirate Life]

Worst case is is 0-3 but if we can take one out of the 3, 7-4 isnt too bad going into the easier part of the scedule.

The Patriots could conceivably end up having one of the easiest strengths of schedule in history. We are talking .362 the rest of the season and have beaten I'm not the slightest bit worried. Save for the Bills their average opponent has like 2.65 wins on the season. On their own the Bills have 5 wins and Miami, New Orleans, Tennessee and Cleveland alone combine for 6.

Now speaking of Buffalo. They give me pause. The Rams too

Yeah, Patriots haven't really beaten anyone. However, Maye has turned into the best QB in his draft class so far (and that's saying something) while Vrabel is a really, really good coach.

Buffalo's defense is on the suspect side, and their schedule is on par with New England's. Outside of NE, they've played teams that've won a combined 13 games vs NE's 16 without counting Buffalo.

Rams give me the most pause, really good d-line but not so good in the secondary. And McVay just seems to have Bowles' number.

That being said, anyone who told me we'd be 6-2 at this point with all of the injuries we've had before this season started and I'd be in Vegas betting a considerable sum against it.

[Backside]

Worst case is is 0-3 but if we can take one out of the 3, 7-4 isnt too bad going into the easier part of the scedule.

The Patriots could conceivably end up having one of the easiest strengths of schedule in history. We are talking .362 the rest of the season and have beaten I'm not the slightest bit worried. Save for the Bills their average opponent has like 2.65 wins on the season. On their own the Bills have 5 wins and Miami, New Orleans, Tennessee and Cleveland alone combine for 6.

Now speaking of Buffalo. They give me pause. The Rams too

If you’re not the slightest bit worried about the Patriots then you just haven’t been paying attention. Maye is an MVP candidate.

[Bootz]

"Look at who they've played" is such a lazy position. Especially if you haven't even bothered watching the games they've played. Are they playing poorly, making a ton of careless mistakes, skating by with close last minute wins? Or are they winning decisively with good football and taking care of business.

The Patriots point differential is +67, 2nd highest in the league only behind the Colts, who people are using the same lazy argument for. Seems people should actually watch the games before coming up with assumptions.

[Primeminister]

Not a good look for the NFL:




... and even worse:



Toss in the really bad botch of the tush push fumble in the Giants game along with a host of other questionable calls this year and the league needs to do something or the conspiracy theories are going to start spreading like wildfire.

So no whistle was blown, replay assist didn’t step in & a TD was removed. I’m not a conspiracy guy, but this looks like someone trying to keep the game closer.

The NFL really needs to get in front of this especially considering what’s happening in the NBA.

[Primeminister]

Worst case is is 0-3 but if we can take one out of the 3, 7-4 isnt too bad going into the easier part of the scedule.

The Patriots could conceivably end up having one of the easiest strengths of schedule in history. We are talking .362 the rest of the season and have beaten I'm not the slightest bit worried. Save for the Bills their average opponent has like 2.65 wins on the season. On their own the Bills have 5 wins and Miami, New Orleans, Tennessee and Cleveland alone combine for 6.

Now speaking of Buffalo. They give me pause. The Rams too

I watch the Pats games (on delay when it clashes with Bucs) so that Mrs PM and I can enjoy her team. You are sorely mistaken. That team is a fucking good team. They’re well coached and play well all over. Right now they’re gaining confidence in their young QB who is playing damn good ball.

I’m telling you the Pats are a problem.

[Pirate Life]

So no whistle was blown, replay assist didn’t step in & a TD was removed. I’m not a conspiracy guy, but this looks like someone trying to keep the game closer.

The NFL really needs to get in front of this especially considering what’s happening in the NBA.

The press pool answer had a very odd statement that I think is getting overlooked:

'So generally, yes, the ball is dead when the whistle's blown. But in this case we were able to award the fumble but not the advance.'

...which doesn't seem to be the case in the rulebooks. Play is dead when the whistle blows, inadvertent or not. Statement by the official here means the whistle happened before the fumble yet still no explanation for which official blew it dead.

There's rules for the offense getting to choose to take the ball at the spot or redo the down in the case of an inadvertent whistle but not to award the defense the ball that I can find in the rule book. Happy to be wrong about the rule, but as is sounds like some CYA stuff going on or worse.

[Buc2]

And yet, still crickets from the NFL league office?

[Pirate Life]

So we had to play the Seahawks and 49ers back to back when they had 10 days off coming off Thursday games. Now we get the Pts and the Bills who have to turn around on short weeks to play on Thursday night after the game against us.

[Backside]

I just don’t know why it’s easier to believe that the game is completely rigged to a level that would basically end all sports as we know it if it ever got out, over believing that these part time workers are just sometimes awful at their jobs.

Do refs make atrocious calls that you can rightfully piss you off more often than they should? Absolutely

Are refs being coerced to determine outcomes of games by outside influences? No, I’m not ready to say that the entire sport is fake just yet.

Btw the game was not close whatsoever, the Saints didn’t get within two TDs of covering the spread. I don’t remember any Saints drives being extended due to ticky tack calls that certainly could have been made if refs felt like it.

Starting with an answer and working backwards makes it easy to find examples of terrible officiating that seem to support your conclusion. But you are unable to be impartial about all of the conflicting evidence when your mind is already made up. They just aren’t very good at their jobs a lot of the time, don’t overthink it.

Long story short: the constant ‘league is rigged and refs are out to get the Bucs’ stuff is so exhausting and dumb. Why are you watching if you truly think that? It’s because you don’t actually believe it. It’s just a convenient coping mechanism when things don’t go our way. Which makes the conspiracy theories even more annoying, it’s not even genuine.

It was truly hilarious how often Winfield was taking the ball into the endzone on defense though, bummer he was unjustly shutout from a deserved defensive TD. He was a beast yesterday.

[Bootz]

I just don’t know why it’s easier to believe that the game is completely rigged to a level that would basically end all sports as we know it if it ever got out, over believing that these part time workers are just sometimes awful at their jobs.

Do refs make atrocious calls that you can rightfully piss you off more often than they should? Absolutely

Are refs being coerced to determine outcomes of games by outside influences? No, I’m not ready to say that the entire sport is fake just yet.

Btw the game was not close whatsoever, the Saints didn’t get within two TDs of covering the spread. I don’t remember any Saints drives being extended do to ticky tack calls that certainly could have been made if refs felt like it.

Starting with an answer and working backwards makes it easy to find examples of terrible officiating that seem to support your conclusion. But you are unable to be impartial about all of the conflicting evidence when your mind is already made up. They just aren’t very good at their jobs a lot of the time, don’t overthink it.

Long story short: the constant ‘league is rigged and refs are out to get the Bucs’ stuff is so exhausting and dumb. Why are you watching if you truly think that? It’s because you don’t actually believe it. It’s just a convenient coping mechanism when things don’t go our way. Which makes the conspiracy theories even more annoying, it’s not even genuine.

It was truly hilarious how often Winfield was taking the ball into the endzone on defense though, bummer he was unjustly shutout from a deserved defensive TD. He was a beast yesterday.

Solid write up.

I've asked the usual conspiracy theorists @13F11B @Babeinbucland @BucsNBills what satisfaction they receive out of posting and complaining about officiating all of the time. The latter 2 haven't responded. The former simply said he doesn't owe me any explanation.

Maybe the joy they get is better than masterbation and they are just embarrassed to say.

[Doctor]

Don't credit to a secret conspiracy what you can credit to just simply stupidity.

While there's too much money floating around the sport for there not to be conflicts of interests from time to time, sometimes the refs are also just bad at their jobs.

[13F11B]

I just don’t know why it’s easier to believe that the game is completely rigged to a level that would basically end all sports as we know it if it ever got out, over believing that these part time workers are just sometimes awful at their jobs.

Do refs make atrocious calls that you can rightfully piss you off more often than they should? Absolutely

Are refs being coerced to determine outcomes of games by outside influences? No, I’m not ready to say that the entire sport is fake just yet.

Btw the game was not close whatsoever, the Saints didn’t get within two TDs of covering the spread. I don’t remember any Saints drives being extended due to ticky tack calls that certainly could have been made if refs felt like it.

Starting with an answer and working backwards makes it easy to find examples of terrible officiating that seem to support your conclusion. But you are unable to be impartial about all of the conflicting evidence when your mind is already made up. They just aren’t very good at their jobs a lot of the time, don’t overthink it.

Long story short: the constant ‘league is rigged and refs are out to get the Bucs’ stuff is so exhausting and dumb. Why are you watching if you truly think that? It’s because you don’t actually believe it. It’s just a convenient coping mechanism when things don’t go our way. Which makes the conspiracy theories even more annoying, it’s not even genuine.

It was truly hilarious how often Winfield was taking the ball into the endzone on defense though, bummer he was unjustly shutout from a deserved defensive TD. He was a beast yesterday.

Sure, officials make mistakes at times. I get that.

1) Remember, betting is not just on the final outcome. There can be bets on how many defensive TDs there are, etc.

Calls that I can disagree with but not complain about. Examples from this game:

Winfield ruled down by contact. I get that it is a judgment call. I thought he gained control after he was touched. I can see the call going either way. I don't mind that.

Otton being ruled down at the 1. It would have been nice to see a pylon camera shot, but again it was close. I think he was down at the one in this case.

Calls that can not be explained as a judgment call.
Winfield's TD return on the fumble. There was no whistle. The official ran with the play. The players all ran with the play. No whistle was heard live. No whistle was heard in the replay. I could hear whistles in other plays, so it was not an audio issue.

That one play is the one that makes it awfully hard not to think there is influence on what officials are doing.

[Pirate Life]

I just don’t know why it’s easier to believe that the game is completely rigged to a level that would basically end all sports as we know it if it ever got out, over believing that these part time workers are just sometimes awful at their jobs.

Do refs make atrocious calls that you can rightfully piss you off more often than they should? Absolutely

Are refs being coerced to determine outcomes of games by outside influences? No, I’m not ready to say that the entire sport is fake just yet.

Btw the game was not close whatsoever, the Saints didn’t get within two TDs of covering the spread. I don’t remember any Saints drives being extended do to ticky tack calls that certainly could have been made if refs felt like it.

Starting with an answer and working backwards makes it easy to find examples of terrible officiating that seem to support your conclusion. But you are unable to be impartial about all of the conflicting evidence when your mind is already made up. They just aren’t very good at their jobs a lot of the time, don’t overthink it.

Long story short: the constant ‘league is rigged and refs are out to get the Bucs’ stuff is so exhausting and dumb. Why are you watching if you truly think that? It’s because you don’t actually believe it. It’s just a convenient coping mechanism when things don’t go our way. Which makes the conspiracy theories even more annoying, it’s not even genuine.

It was truly hilarious how often Winfield was taking the ball into the endzone on defense though, bummer he was unjustly shutout from a deserved defensive TD. He was a beast yesterday.

IMO, it’s incompetence instead of malice but that doesn’t excuse the league’s need to do something about the refs and the calls. It’s been replacement-level refs bad for a couple of years.

And for the conspiracy folks, there’s always another angle to exploit for their thinking. Like live betting on games in progress, not just the point spread (already seen this several times past two days after the Eagles game and ours)

[13F11B]

I've asked the usual conspiracy theorists @13F11B @Babeinbucland @BucsNBills what satisfaction they receive out of posting and complaining about officiating all of the time. The latter 2 haven't responded. The former simply said he doesn't owe me any explanation.

Maybe the joy they get is better than masterbation and they are just embarrassed to say.

Maybe you are just an asshole with a computer.

I complain about plays. I don't owe you an explanation any more than you have to explain why you have a small penis, but are a colossal dick.

You are a negative Nellie. You would complain about winning 1,000,000 because that is who you are. You complain about other people complaining. You complain about @Doctor being positive. If you could not complain, you would lie about in bed expelling gas from your rectum all day. Instead, you expel it from your mouth.

[Bootz]

I complain about plays.

You are a negative Nellie.

You complain.....But I'm the negative one. This is why I dont feel bad about calling you the dumb ass bitch that you are. Are confirms your a coward. You have an open forum to explain to us all why you complain so much and you cower behind "I dont owe you anything".

Continue being the whiny bitch that you are.

[13F11B]

I complain about plays.

You are a negative Nellie.

You complain.....But I'm the negative one. This is why I dont feel bad about calling you the dumb ass bitch that you are. Are confirms your a coward. You have an open forum to explain to us all why you complain so much and you cower behind "I dont owe you anything".

Continue being the whiny bitch that you are.

What makes you feel you have any right to demand an answer? Are you the ruler? Do you have some governmental authority?

I feel bad for you. This must be the only place in your life where you can act like you are in charge. Sadly, I don't give a shit and have no desire to help you with your delusions.

[13F11B]

Bucs were done a solid today with Atlanta and Carolina losing and suddenly have a commanding lead in the NFC South. They are 6-2 going into the bye which is better than I hoped for.

It was exactly what I predicted. I am hoping I am incorrect with some of my future predictions, because the Falcons are not as good as I thought they would be.

[Bootz]

You complain.....But I'm the negative one. This is why I dont feel bad about calling you the dumb ass bitch that you are. Are confirms your a coward. You have an open forum to explain to us all why you complain so much and you cower behind "I dont owe you anything".

Continue being the whiny bitch that you are.

What makes you feel you have any right to demand an answer? Are you the ruler? Do you have some governmental authority?

I feel bad for you. This must be the only place in your life where you can act like you are in charge. Sadly, I don't give a shit and have no desire to help you with your delusions.

No demand. Just inquiring minds would like to know and maybe understand where you're getting at. You dont seem to know much about football. But you do seem to know a lot about the NFL rule book. Is there a certain level of euphoria you reach by complaining about what you perceive are bad calls only against the Bucs? It's game day thread after game day thread, most of your posts are geared towards officiating. We'd just like to know what satisfaction you get from complaining.

But as I stated you can keep that a secret if you're too embarrassed to share with the rest of the class.

[Babeinbucland]

I just don’t know why it’s easier to believe that the game is completely rigged to a level that would basically end all sports as we know it if it ever got out, over believing that these part time workers are just sometimes awful at their jobs.

Do refs make atrocious calls that you can rightfully piss you off more often than they should? Absolutely

Are refs being coerced to determine outcomes of games by outside influences? No, I’m not ready to say that the entire sport is fake just yet.

Btw the game was not close whatsoever, the Saints didn’t get within two TDs of covering the spread. I don’t remember any Saints drives being extended do to ticky tack calls that certainly could have been made if refs felt like it.

Starting with an answer and working backwards makes it easy to find examples of terrible officiating that seem to support your conclusion. But you are unable to be impartial about all of the conflicting evidence when your mind is already made up. They just aren’t very good at their jobs a lot of the time, don’t overthink it.

Long story short: the constant ‘league is rigged and refs are out to get the Bucs’ stuff is so exhausting and dumb. Why are you watching if you truly think that? It’s because you don’t actually believe it. It’s just a convenient coping mechanism when things don’t go our way. Which makes the conspiracy theories even more annoying, it’s not even genuine.

It was truly hilarious how often Winfield was taking the ball into the endzone on defense though, bummer he was unjustly shutout from a deserved defensive TD. He was a beast yesterday.

Solid write up.

I've asked the usual conspiracy theorists @13F11B @Babeinbucland @BucsNBills what satisfaction they receive out of posting and complaining about officiating all of the time. The latter 2 haven't responded. The former simply said he doesn't owe me any explanation.

Maybe the joy they get is better than masterbation and they are just embarrassed to say.

I wish you could post some intellectual discourse without resorting to name calling and personal attacks. Yawn…

The officiating sucked. It isn’t a conspiracy if it’s real. End of story

[Backside]

That one play is the one that makes it awfully hard not to think there is influence on what officials are doing.

But do you see how saying this nullifies anything else? This is not a pick and choose situation, if you can concede 9/10 examples but if this one still makes it very hard for you to believe in anything other than refs being influenced then you are still saying refs are being influenced, which means the league is rigged and basically the end of sports as we know it. Awful calls like that happen every week so it would have to be league wide as well.

It’s either rigged or it isn’t. You’re all in or you’re all out there’s no way to play both sides here.