The Official 2025 Off-Season Thread

[Bootz]

I think Kancy is a breakout candidate if he stays healthy this time.

He needs to be. Getting coverage sacks isnt the same as being an impact player.

[Doooshnzl]

Congratulations Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce on your ENGAGEMENT!!!!!!!

Rumor ie that Kelce’s pregnant.

[Doctor]

He's gonna finish as the TE32 in FF.

[Grahamburn]

If they win a championship in the next two years it will have been worth it.

I think Dallas ultimately wins the deal.

Wins the deal how?? They just lost their only irreplaceable piece on defense. Clark is gonna come close to filling that void.

Are you saying Dallas wins a championship soon?

They’ve had Micah on his rookie deal and have won one playoff game.

I’d say this deal got them closer.

[Grahamburn]

For reference -

PFF has Micah Parsons as the #6 overall DE and the #3 pass rush DE behind Hutchinson and Garret.

Yaya Diaby was the #22 overall DE and the #15 pass rush DE.

Yaya is slightly above average, Micah is elite and has been consistently elite every year he has been in the league.

Kancey was the #100 rated IDL.

Kancey + YaYa + 2 1sts would have been a steal for us.

I dont even need PFF. Go watch Yaya Diaby & Calijah Kancey tape and then go watch Micah Parsons tape and tell me Parsons isn't a difference maker.

YOU DONT WATCH TAPE!

[Bootz]

Wins the deal how?? They just lost their only irreplaceable piece on defense. Clark is gonna come close to filling that void.

Are you saying Dallas wins a championship soon?

They’ve had Micah on his rookie deal and have won one playoff game.

I’d say this deal got them closer.

Closer to what??

How does trading Micah Parsons make the Cowboys a better team? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Grahamburn]

[Grahamburn]

They’ve had Micah on his rookie deal and have won one playoff game.

I’d say this deal got them closer.

Closer to what??

How does trading Micah Parsons make the Cowboys a better team? Inquiring minds want to know.

Asked and answered.

[Bootz]

Jerry Jones PC on this trade(How many owners give PCs when they make trades BTW) is a slap in the face. Basically called Michael Parsons a 1 trick pony who can't defend the run. Also said the trade had been in the works since the spring. Oh and no, I did not misstep when I said Michael because Jerry kept calling him Michael during the PC. Compares this to when he sent Hershel Walker to the Vikings.

Jerry is so full of himself.

[Bootz]

Closer to what??

How does trading Micah Parsons make the Cowboys a better team? Inquiring minds want to know.

Asked and answered.

All you said was they won 1 playoff game during his rookie deal. That's not an answer. What tangible positive is there for the Cowboys with Parsons no longer there?

[Grahamburn]

He isn’t good against the run so I do get that part, which is why he’s not Garrett or watt level.

[Bootz]

He isn’t good against the run so I do get that part, which is why he’s not Garrett or watt level.

Now you're showing us again that you really don't know ball. You want so badly to be right on this you're embarrassing yourself to do so, shamelessly.

Parsons is a very good run defender. Not elite, but he's very good and capable of holding his own. No one with a brain is ever going to say he's incapable against the run.

[Sooner06]

Jerry Jones PC on this trade(How many owners give PCs when they make trades BTW) is a slap in the face. Basically called Michael Parsons a 1 trick pony who can't defend the run. Also said the trade had been in the works since the spring. Oh and no, I did not misstep when I said Michael because Jerry kept calling him Michael during the PC. Compares this to when he sent Hershel Walker to the Vikings.

Jerry is so full of himself.

I think he's starting to lose it, similar to how Al Davis just got too old and started making decisions that made zero sense. jerry's not as bad as Al was his last two or three years as owner, but he's not that far behind now, imo. you simply don't trade/lose generational players, right in the middle of their prime years like Parsons, for any reason. It would be like the Giants trading away LT in '86, or the Chiefs trading Derrick Thomas in '91-'92. Insanely stupid move by jerry. DAL could end up being the worst team in the NFC-E. hell, they may not win 7 games this season.

[Grahamburn]

He isn’t good against the run so I do get that part, which is why he’s not Garrett or watt level.

Now you're showing us again that you really don't know ball. You want so badly to be right on this you're embarrassing yourself to do so, shamelessly.

Parsons is a very good run defender. Not elite, but he's very good and capable of holding his own. No one with a brain is ever going to say he's incapable against the run.

He was average in 2024. He was good prior. Maybe he was making a business decision and he’ll be good again going forward?

[Bootz]

Now you're showing us again that you really don't know ball. You want so badly to be right on this you're embarrassing yourself to do so, shamelessly.

Parsons is a very good run defender. Not elite, but he's very good and capable of holding his own. No one with a brain is ever going to say he's incapable against the run.

He was average in 2024. He was good prior. Maybe he was making a business decision and he’ll be good again going forward?

That still doesn't answer how trading Parsons makes them better. Their other edge rushers are worst at stopping the run than he is. Kenny Clark is worse as well. You're dodging the position you created.

[Snake]

Jerry Jones PC on this trade(How many owners give PCs when they make trades BTW) is a slap in the face. Basically called Michael Parsons a 1 trick pony who can't defend the run. Also said the trade had been in the works since the spring. Oh and no, I did not misstep when I said Michael because Jerry kept calling him Michael during the PC. Compares this to when he sent Hershel Walker to the Vikings.

Jerry is so full of himself.

The Michael thing is so hilarious

[Snake]

It’s pretty rich that Parsons is being subliminally called a locker room problem and reddick is mentioned in the same sentence, given reddick’s reputation.

Edit: apparently the very first Twitter comment thought the same exact thing…

[Bootz]

It’s pretty rich that Parsons is being subliminally called a locker room problem and reddick is mentioned in the same sentence, given reddick’s reputation.

Edit: apparently the very first Twitter comment thought the same exact thing…

Bucs media and fans will fabricate a narrative to make the Bucs look good without a 2nd thought.

[Bootz]

[Bootz]

Rare W from Jenna

[Doctor]

There are shades too this. It's not choir boy or cancer.

Micah may not be that "bad" on the spectrum of things but no one in this current locker room is pouting on a medical table. Squad also gives home down discounts because they love playing with each other and want their brothers paid.

Even AB had a short leash and a mercenary contract. Not $120 guaranteed.

Again, not saying Micah isn't with it or good enough. Or an actual problem child. But saying he's not our culture vibe isn't crazy nor insulting.

[Primeminister]

There are shades too this. It's not choir boy or cancer.

Micah may not be that "bad" on the spectrum of things but no one in this current locker room is pouting on a medical table. Squad also gives home down discounts because they love playing with each other and want their brothers paid.

Even AB had a short leash and a mercenary contract. Not $120 guaranteed.

Again, not saying Micah isn't with it or good enough. Or an actual problem child. But saying he's not our culture vibe isn't crazy nor insulting.

Micah was willing to take less (he said this out loud) Jerry started with all the bullshit. Licht doesn’t play games like Jerry does: denigrating the player and pushing off negotiations until the price has risen exponentially. I believe Jerry damaged that relationship irreparably.

[Grahamburn]

It’s pretty rich that Parsons is being subliminally called a locker room problem and reddick is mentioned in the same sentence, given reddick’s reputation.

Edit: apparently the very first Twitter comment thought the same exact thing…

They’re just saying they believe in those guys enough not to trade Vita, two first round picks, and give out a historic contract.

[Swashbuckler]

I have rarely been as aggravated as I am now. We could have beaten the Packers' offer for Parsons. Our pass rush is donkey balls

[Grahamburn]

He was average in 2024. He was good prior. Maybe he was making a business decision and he’ll be good again going forward?

That still doesn't answer how trading Parsons makes them better. Their other edge rushers are worst at stopping the run than he is. Kenny Clark is worse as well. You're dodging the position you created.

I don’t think it made them better this year, but now they’ve opened a future window with the picks and cap space where anything is possible.

They’ve had Micah on a rookie deal and have won one playoff game.

[Bootz]

That still doesn't answer how trading Parsons makes them better. Their other edge rushers are worst at stopping the run than he is. Kenny Clark is worse as well. You're dodging the position you created.

I don’t think it made them better this year, but now they’ve opened a future window with the picks and cap space where anything is possible.

They’ve had Micah on a rookie deal and have won one playoff game.

If your logic is that Micah is the catalyst for the Cowboys success and the peak was 1 playoff win in 4 years, that logic dictates that they won’t even make the playoffs without Micah.

[Grahamburn]

I don’t think it made them better this year, but now they’ve opened a future window with the picks and cap space where anything is possible.

They’ve had Micah on a rookie deal and have won one playoff game.

If your logic is that Micah is the catalyst for the Cowboys success and the peak was 1 playoff win in 4 years, that logic dictates that they won’t even make the playoffs without Micah.

My logic is they’ve had Micah for 4 years on a rookie contract and haven’t been able to make a deep playoff run. Is that Micah’s fault? No, probably not.

I’d say it’s Dak’s and his injuries. But, that’s a sunk cost. No getting out of it for a couple more years.

Point is having Micah taking up even more of your cap isn’t going to help your chances either when the team is so weak in other areas. Especially when there would be 3 guys taking up 50%+ of the cap space. Hard to build a team that way.

Of course they’re worse NOW, but they could potentially be better down the line.

It’s not too different from the Bengals with Hendrickson only Micah is so much younger that he had leverage.

Micah wasn’t going to play on a one year deal and he’s young enough to see it through.

That defense stunk with Micah or without him. Just like the Bengals did with Trey.

That Dallas offense is good when Dak plays. He’s the catalyst for that team. So, I get it. Trade Micah for parts + cap space and try to rebuild around Dak and CeeDee.

[Bootz]

If your logic is that Micah is the catalyst for the Cowboys success and the peak was 1 playoff win in 4 years, that logic dictates that they won’t even make the playoffs without Micah.

My logic is they’ve had Micah for 4 years on a rookie contract and haven’t been able to make a deep playoff run. Is that Micah’s fault? No, probably not.

I’d say it’s Dak’s and his injuries. But, that’s a sunk cost. No getting out of it for a couple more years.

Point is having Micah taking up even more of your cap isn’t going to help your chances either when the team is so weak in other areas. Especially when there would be 3 guys taking up 50%+ of the cap space. Hard to build a team that way.

Of course they’re worse NOW, but they could potentially be better down the line.

It’s not too different from the Bengals with Hendrickson only Micah is so much younger that he had leverage.

Micah wasn’t going to play on a one year deal and he’s young enough to see it through.

That defense stunk with Micah or without him. Just like the Bengals did with Trey.

That Dallas offense is good when Dak plays. He’s the catalyst for that team. So, I get it. Trade Micah for parts + cap space and try to rebuild around Dak and CeeDee.

Again, you're showing you dont know ball. I almost feel sorry for you.

If the playoff stat isn't his fault then why keep repeating it? The same applies to CeeDee Lamb. Dak Prescott too. They both got paid. By your logic the Cowboys should've traded them as well.

Cowboys defense with Micah Parsons on the field was #1 in EPA per play since he got there. When he's not there, they were dead last. He meant that much to that defense. So saying they stink with him is a lie.

Second, they got a lot worse overall. Again, Kenny Clark is a worse run defender than Micah, though it may be tougher to quantify since they play different positions. Your friends at PFF gave Micah a 65.5 run defense grade. Again, not elite but more than serviceable. They gave Kenny Clark a 57.1 run defense grade.

Could potentially be better down the line. How? You rarely get BETTER trading away irreplaceable players. Are you saying they'll simply find the next Micah Parsons in the draft next year and keep it moving? These trades for top defensive players more often than not benefits the team that gets the players. Jalen Ramsey was traded to LA for essentially the same compensation package(2 1sts & a 4th). The Jags went on to the #1 pick eventually. The Rams went on to win the SB.

I know you like to pretend you know ball. But when things get in-depth like this, you really show you don’t. Keep your day job.

[Grahamburn]

You win. Ok. Bye.

[mdb1958]

You win. Ok. Bye.

Should of made this your first post.

Offenses are designing plays around the pass rush - that's all for now.

[Bootz]

You win. Ok. Bye.

Should of made this your first post.

Offenses are designing plays around the pass rush - that's all for now.

You’d think he would have learned by now.

[Grahamburn]

You win. Ok. Bye.

Should of made this your first post.

Offenses are designing plays around the pass rush - that's all for now.

There’s no point arguing it because we don’t know yet what we don’t know.

My perspective is different. Doesn’t mean I’m wrong.

If Parsons wasn’t going to play on his 5th year option they just got better. :shrug:

This move was for Dallas’ future. I applaud them for making it instead of giving in to a player that ultimately didn’t help them win all that much while he was there.

It’s team. Not one guy.

[Grahamburn]

My logic is they’ve had Micah for 4 years on a rookie contract and haven’t been able to make a deep playoff run. Is that Micah’s fault? No, probably not.

I’d say it’s Dak’s and his injuries. But, that’s a sunk cost. No getting out of it for a couple more years.

Point is having Micah taking up even more of your cap isn’t going to help your chances either when the team is so weak in other areas. Especially when there would be 3 guys taking up 50%+ of the cap space. Hard to build a team that way.

Of course they’re worse NOW, but they could potentially be better down the line.

It’s not too different from the Bengals with Hendrickson only Micah is so much younger that he had leverage.

Micah wasn’t going to play on a one year deal and he’s young enough to see it through.

That defense stunk with Micah or without him. Just like the Bengals did with Trey.

That Dallas offense is good when Dak plays. He’s the catalyst for that team. So, I get it. Trade Micah for parts + cap space and try to rebuild around Dak and CeeDee.

Again, you're showing you dont know ball. I almost feel sorry for you.

If the playoff stat isn't his fault then why keep repeating it? The same applies to CeeDee Lamb. Dak Prescott too. They both got paid. By your logic the Cowboys should've traded them as well.

Cowboys defense with Micah Parsons on the field was #1 in EPA per play since he got there. When he's not there, they were dead last. He meant that much to that defense. So saying they stink with him is a lie.

Second, they got a lot worse overall. Again, Kenny Clark is a worse run defender than Micah, though it may be tougher to quantify since they play different positions. Your friends at PFF gave Micah a 65.5 run defense grade. Again, not elite but more than serviceable. They gave Kenny Clark a 57.1 run defense grade.

Could potentially be better down the line. How? You rarely get BETTER trading away irreplaceable players. Are you saying they'll simply find the next Micah Parsons in the draft next year and keep it moving? These trades for top defensive players more often than not benefits the team that gets the players. Jalen Ramsey was traded to LA for essentially the same compensation package(2 1sts & a 4th). The Jags went on to the #1 pick eventually. The Rams went on to win the SB.

I know you like to pretend you know ball. But when things get in-depth like this, you really show you don’t. Keep your day job.

Russell Wilson. Jamal Adams. Tyreek Hill. Bradley Chubb. Deshaun Watson.

Plenty of examples where it didn’t work for the team making the all in move.

[Central_Buc]

Licth doesn't like to trade picks, he's extremely conservative. Even if the opportunity of a life time pops up he generally doesn't like to change whatever plan he has. I'm also referring to him wanting to resign Godeke and maybe Otten for next summer. A trade possibly would prevent us signing those free agents next year. So they are using this smoke screen of we don't want to ruin our locker room chemistry.

It would have probably taken the Glazers to go up to him and say go get this guy for him to comply.

[Bootz]

Again, you're showing you dont know ball. I almost feel sorry for you.

If the playoff stat isn't his fault then why keep repeating it? The same applies to CeeDee Lamb. Dak Prescott too. They both got paid. By your logic the Cowboys should've traded them as well.

Cowboys defense with Micah Parsons on the field was #1 in EPA per play since he got there. When he's not there, they were dead last. He meant that much to that defense. So saying they stink with him is a lie.

Second, they got a lot worse overall. Again, Kenny Clark is a worse run defender than Micah, though it may be tougher to quantify since they play different positions. Your friends at PFF gave Micah a 65.5 run defense grade. Again, not elite but more than serviceable. They gave Kenny Clark a 57.1 run defense grade.

Could potentially be better down the line. How? You rarely get BETTER trading away irreplaceable players. Are you saying they'll simply find the next Micah Parsons in the draft next year and keep it moving? These trades for top defensive players more often than not benefits the team that gets the players. Jalen Ramsey was traded to LA for essentially the same compensation package(2 1sts & a 4th). The Jags went on to the #1 pick eventually. The Rams went on to win the SB.

I know you like to pretend you know ball. But when things get in-depth like this, you really show you don’t. Keep your day job.

Russell Wilson. Jamal Adams. Tyreek Hill. Bradley Chubb. Deshaun Watson.

Plenty of examples where it didn’t work for the team making the all in move.

Now you're just listing any and every trade. None of these players are on Micah’s level in terms of game changing ability. Maybe Tyreek Hill. But certainly not Russell Wilson at 33 years old. Definitely not Jamal Adams, Bradley Chubb or Deshaun Watson.

Like I said, don't quit your day job. You're proving my point more and more with each post.