Bucs vs Rams Analysis

[Nobody]

Bowles kind of alluded to those tendencies when discussing Edwards after the Atlanta game. Whoever was interviewing him compared Edwards to Ronde, and you could immediately tell Bowles did not agree with that assessment and is fully aware of the flaws in his game.

Yup. That’s the comparison.

“Ronde Light” in the passing game (fantastic instincts and ability to read route language/combinations but a little too careless with his leverage and too willing to gamble…and not close to the Man coverage player Ronde was) minus the fantastic tackling and downhill instincts/nose for the ball in run support/blitz game.

[Caradoc]

They picked on Edwards at a perfect time. He spent the whole week surrounded with "ballhawk" talk and feeling his oats. Of course he was gonna bite.

[Nobody]

Next 2.5 + TtT on next drive (TD drive)

Pass Incomplete
2nd & 10 at LA 25
(9:14) (Shotgun) M.Stafford pass incomplete short left to S.Michel.

They're 3x2 (Bunch Left). We're 2 Man Under w/ a mix of Press and Off, no Vea nor Suh nor Edwards. The Tight in Bunch chips Tryon (interesting) before release. We cover up great on the back end despite exchanged release except White gets picked on the Tight's Arrow route. However, Stafford was looking at the Doubles side (which tells me he didn't know what coverage he was facing because if he did, that rubbed Arrow that picked White and then outflanked him was the throw).

Nacho's gets some push and then the RG anchors and falls on him. But this is it and it wasn't enough for Stafford to bail the pocket left (which he did). By the time he bails left and gets to the Arrow, its at the sideline with no room left and White has recovered, leading to a throwaway with Tryon bearing down.

So Coverage misread and great job with 2 Man Under minus a loss on a pick.

[Nobody]

Big one on the next play. As big as the DJax one above and another 3rd and 10 loss. This is right at 2.5 seconds TtT.

20 Yard Pass
3rd & 10 at LA 25
(9:07) (Shotgun) M.Stafford pass deep left to R.Woods to LA 45 for 20 yards (D.Delaney).

They're 3x1 (Trips Left) with Singleback behind Single other side. We play a combo 2 Zone Coverage. Single side is 2 Read because the Single goes vert so Davis matches (and blankets him) and White runs with the Swing route. Other side is 2 Zone.

Pass Rush: Vea gets enormous displacement in his single (7 yards at releasae), but Staffords drop from Shotgun is huge. He's literally 11 yards behind the LoS in his drop (but he's got the arm to do it). Its just tough to get there. No one else (Suh is doubled and Shaq/Tryon don't win singles) gets anything done.

Coverage: Delaney's drop (boundary on 2 Zone side) isn't contextually deep enough (this is 3rd and 10...he should be sinking hard to protect the Corner route) but he isn't the problem. Cockrell is Hook/Seam on that side and he gets some eye candy in front of him with a Curl and he jumps it. Problem is the boundary Skinny Post is behind him and him vacating that window makes this throw possible (and complete).

[Primeminister]

Below is Stafford's TtT passing splits for the game:

Week 3 Stafford TtT

* 2.34 = # 3 quickest in NFL (Brady a fraction behind him)

* 22 of his throws were well under 2.5 seconds at 1.64 average TtT.

* However, his throws over 2.5 seconds yielded only 1 Sack, a huge Passer Rating of 139+, and 2 TDs.


So, again, the story was the same as above.

Overwhelmingly, we're losing because of the Quick Game as our back 7 coverage + calls aren't holding up in the time that NFL-standard coverage has to hold up. The ball is getting out well beyond what an NFL Pass Rush is capable of impacting on the significant bulk of throws. However, on his throws over 2.5 seconds in this game, the Pass Rush wasn't getting home either.

Mostly the back 7 coverage/calls, but the Pass Rush and Blitz failed to show up when its number was called.

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Going to take a look at what was going on in some of these 2.5 second + TtT play losses:

22 Yard Pass
1st & 10 at LA 23
(3:36) (No Huddle, Shotgun) M.Stafford pass deep left to C.Kupp ran ob at LA 45 for 22 yards. TB-J.Dean was injured during the play.

Empty 4*1 vs 42 Nickel (no Vea, Suh, or Edwards), Match Quarters.

This is just a brutal Scissors route combo (1 goes Skinny Post and 2 goes hard inside release back to Corner with downfield Mesh) and a Flat route underneath it. The depth of both of these routes makes them verts. 3 goes on a Drive route with its depth of cut right before the area where it would be a match or the Safety.

Dean matches 1 (as he should). Winfield hands off 3 to the other Safety (as he should) and focuses on bracketing 2's vert. LVD and White are where they need to be with the under routes (with White working to flat on the quad side). Problem is Cockrell is in no man's land. He's not matching 2 and he's just sort of pedaling to grass with no depth. Winfield is pissed after the play. Orthodox MQ rules makes this Cockrell's match and Winfield helps bracket (whereas Cockrell just handed it off and pedaled to no-mans land...basically covering the flat with White).

In terms of lack of Pressure, the RB (tight on the quad side) chips and releases so they have 6 for a moment vs our 4. We run a game on both sides (with neither Vea nor Suh) and it gets nothing done.

Quality is crappy (thanks NFL) but attaching the gif.

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[Nobody]

Quality is crappy (thanks NFL) but attaching the gif.

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Damn that's just a good play design. Winfield was in a tough spot because he saw that receivers was starting to separate but then you had that out route for the big gain.

Cockrell was just dropping back in zone, not sure if he was meant to get deeper or not.

With the two extra chip blocks at the start our pass rush had no shot.

Even if Winfield somehow managed to cover the out, the RB was wide open and would've been one on one with Cockrell.

I think this might just be a case of great play design rather than poor defense.

It is good play design. Its challenging for both Cover 2 Zone (its really a 2 Zone killer) and 3 Zone. Its not as bad for Match Quarters (which we were in) due to the depths of the breaks (and the mesh-point downfield between the two verts doesn't materialize).

Do you see how the boundary corner matches the vertical of the WR he's over (that is the 1 receiver). That is what you do in Match Quarters.

You see how Winfield splits 2 and 3 (the next two WRs)? His job is to match 3 if 3 runs a vertical in his horizontal area (typically around 5-8 yards). If the vertical doesn't materialize around 10-12 yards within that horizontal space, his job is to (a) hand it to the Safety adjacent (he does) and (b) bracket 2 (he does).

You see how White is running out to the Flat with the RB here. Also what he should be doing in Match Quarters if no Under route flashes in front of him from any of 1-3 (they don't).

The only person not doing their job here is Cockrell. In Match Quarters, his job is to match the vertical of 2. That is the Corner route. One of two things happened. He either (a) thought he was playing 2 Zone or (b) he thought that vertical from 2 wasn't going to be his responsibility because of the inside release. Both of those are assignment errors.

He should have matched that Corner (the 2 WR) and played under outside of it with Winfield over top and inside (basically doubling the Corner).

[Terry Tate]

Just to illustrate Nobody's point about how the ball was coming out too fast for the pass rush....



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[Primeminister]

Just to illustrate Nobody's point about how the ball was coming out too fast for the pass rush....



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I got you fam.

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[Terry Tate]

Just to illustrate Nobody's point about how the ball was coming out too fast for the pass rush....



Edit: damn copyright. Click it, it's worthwhile.

I got you fam. 095AB7D4-A2B2-4415-9F41-4B5876D02788.gif

It's better with the sound but I appreciate you.