The Official 2022 NFL Draft Thread

[mdb1958]

The fact that teams I view as historically smart (not that that means anything) aren't hesitating to move up and get guys while giving up a good amount of draft capital is informative, to me.

Do they have continuity or are they slinging their unhappy players all over the place?

[Doctor]

Good thing unrealistic Jacksonville started things off. A bigger concern for me is to watch Licht accumulate a horde and then start dumping them 2 for one style. I'd rather move them to next year, than throw them away.

Draft hoarding never works yet numerous teams do it every year. Quality>Quantity should be the name of the game. I don't want to hear talk about us moving down unless we get a premium pick next year for #33. And by premium pick I mean a 1st.

Yes and no.

You can only do so much HW. There's always so much about what makes a player that you can never know. Sometimes you fall in love with a guy and that's fine. That's allowed. But usually, the best you can do is group players up in clusters. Then the game is trying to get the most bites you can out of the juiciest cluster.

I had 5 guys in my cluster I wanted. One is still there. Trading back and still getting a guy in that cluster with more bites at another part is not a bad day. But you have to do it with a purpose, not just trading back to collect.

[Snake]

The fact that teams I view as historically smart (not that that means anything) aren't hesitating to move up and get guys while giving up a good amount of draft capital is informative, to me.

Do they have continuity or are they slinging their unhappy players all over the place?

Would you rather than the 1st overall pick or every 5th round pick?

[uscbucsfan]

I would imagine Dean would be drafted as the heir to LVD next year, as JTS was for JPP last year (sorry, that's a lot of letters.) Dude has some serious LVD in his game.

I see the LVD in his game and I love it. I just doubt Licht drafts someone who won’t play much during our final TB12 year. If Bowles can figure out some way to get the kid on the field I’ll love it.

Did you forget about the Trask pick?

[mdb1958]

So now were dumping LVD next year?

[uscbucsfan]

Rodgers is unhappy with no WR picked by the Packers.

[mdb1958]

Rodgers is unhappy with no WR picked by the Packers.

Not as much as Adams leaving.

[Snake]

Rodgers is unhappy with no WR picked by the Packers.

Not as much as Adams leaving.

Adams may have wanted out no matter what. Don’t know, don’t really care either way. But Rodgers could’ve taken a team friendly deal if he’s that concerned about putting better players around him. Is GB the type of org to utilize high levels of cap manipulation? Doesn’t seem that way. Though I could be wrong.

[uscbucsfan]

Not as much as Adams leaving.

Adams may have wanted out no matter what. Don’t know, don’t really care either way. But Rodgers could’ve taken a team friendly deal if he’s that concerned about putting better players around him. Is GB the type of org to utilize high levels of cap manipulation? Doesn’t seem that way. Though I could be wrong.

Considering that Adams said GB offered more to him per year than the Raiders, I think they do.

[Snake]

Adams may have wanted out no matter what. Don’t know, don’t really care either way. But Rodgers could’ve taken a team friendly deal if he’s that concerned about putting better players around him. Is GB the type of org to utilize high levels of cap manipulation? Doesn’t seem that way. Though I could be wrong.

Considering that Adams said GB offered more to him per year than the Raiders, I think they do.

Interesting. So he didn’t want to be in GB. Can’t blame him.

[King Bootz]

Draft hoarding never works yet numerous teams do it every year. Quality>Quantity should be the name of the game. I don't want to hear talk about us moving down unless we get a premium pick next year for #33. And by premium pick I mean a 1st.

Yes and no.

You can only do so much HW. There's always so much about what makes a player that you can never know. Sometimes you fall in love with a guy and that's fine. That's allowed. But usually, the best you can do is group players up in clusters. Then the game is trying to get the most bites you can out of the juiciest cluster.

I had 5 guys in my cluster I wanted. One is still there. Trading back and still getting a guy in that cluster with more bites at another part is not a bad day. But you have to do it with a purpose, not just trading back to collect.

That was the entire point of what I said. Most, if not all teams who hoard picks, do so without any purpose other than hoarding pucks. More often than not the guy they eventually take isn't part of the "cluster" you're referring to. Because if that guy is there and they love him, they wouldn't trade back to risk losing him. Doing so would be prioritizing quantity. I refuse to believe any GM would be that stupid and so do you.

Take Licht for instance and the trade yesterday. Yes, it's nice that he got 3 picks for 1. But look at the 3 picks. 33, 106, 180. All 2 rounds apart from each other. Your theory about trying to get the most bites out of the cluster clearly doesn't apply here unless his cluster includes 150 players. IMO he and his staff don't necessarily have a direction they are aiming to go. They'll likely trade 1 of the 2 2nd round picks they have and I honestly feel we'll look to add draft capital for 2023.

[uscbucsfan]

Considering that Adams said GB offered more to him per year than the Raiders, I think they do.

Interesting. So he didn’t want to be in GB. Can’t blame him.

He said he wanted to be a Raider and play with Carr and told Rodgers that before Rodgers signed his contract. Also said it would be hard to leave the best QB ever...Rodgers said he was still surprised that Adams left considering the contract GB offered. It's not the cap restriction narrative that so many pushed, though.

[Buc2]

I'm happy with trading out of #27. Hopefully, the move pays dividends.

[King Bootz]

Not as much as Adams leaving.

Adams may have wanted out no matter what. Don’t know, don’t really care either way. But Rodgers could’ve taken a team friendly deal if he’s that concerned about putting better players around him. Is GB the type of org to utilize high levels of cap manipulation? Doesn’t seem that way. Though I could be wrong.

Rodgers cap hit this year is $28.5mil. 7th highest overall. The Chiefs literally have 2 guys with higher cap hits than Rodgers, Mahomes and Jones. People really need to stop letting their hate of Aaron Rodgers lead them to believe this foolish idea that his contract is why Davante Adams was traded. I honestly don't even think people believe that, they just want to try to convince others that that's the reason.

[Buc2]

Adams may have wanted out no matter what. Don’t know, don’t really care either way. But Rodgers could’ve taken a team friendly deal if he’s that concerned about putting better players around him. Is GB the type of org to utilize high levels of cap manipulation? Doesn’t seem that way. Though I could be wrong.

Rodgers cap hit this year is $28.5mil. 7th highest overall. The Chiefs literally have 2 guys with higher cap hits than Rodgers, Mahomes and Jones. People really need to stop letting their hate of Aaron Rodgers lead them to believe this foolish idea that his contract is why Davante Adams was traded. I honestly don't even think people believe that, they just want to try to convince others that that's the reason.

@uscbucsfan tried his best to debunk that line of thinking with logic and actual facts but people gonna people.

[Dread]

#FireLicht

[King Bootz]

Rodgers cap hit this year is $28.5mil. 7th highest overall. The Chiefs literally have 2 guys with higher cap hits than Rodgers, Mahomes and Jones. People really need to stop letting their hate of Aaron Rodgers lead them to believe this foolish idea that his contract is why Davante Adams was traded. I honestly don't even think people believe that, they just want to try to convince others that that's the reason.

@uscbucsfan tried his best to debunk that line of thinking with logic and actual facts but people gonna people.

What fascinates me is that the same people who have been pushing this narrative that the salary cap isn’t a real thing are the main ones pushing this line of thinking about the Rodgers/Adams situation.

[Dread]

@uscbucsfan tried his best to debunk that line of thinking with logic and actual facts but people gonna people.

What fascinates me is that the same people who have been pushing this narrative that the salary cap isn’t a real thing are the main ones pushing this line of thinking about the Rodgers/Adams situation.

The cap is real, it's just also easily manipulated. Which the Bucs FO have shown this fanbase the past two offseasons.

Fans worry too much about 'how much cap space there is' at any point in time when in reality teams will maneuver/manipulate as necessary to make the numbers work (get under the cap) for the given year if they really want a player(s).

[Doctor]

Yes and no.

You can only do so much HW. There's always so much about what makes a player that you can never know. Sometimes you fall in love with a guy and that's fine. That's allowed. But usually, the best you can do is group players up in clusters. Then the game is trying to get the most bites you can out of the juiciest cluster.

I had 5 guys in my cluster I wanted. One is still there. Trading back and still getting a guy in that cluster with more bites at another part is not a bad day. But you have to do it with a purpose, not just trading back to collect.

That was the entire point of what I said. Most, if not all teams who hoard picks, do so without any purpose other than hoarding pucks. More often than not the guy they eventually take isn't part of the "cluster" you're referring to. Because if that guy is there and they love him, they wouldn't trade back to risk losing him. Doing so would be prioritizing quantity. I refuse to believe any GM would be that stupid and so do you.

Take Licht for instance and the trade yesterday. Yes, it's nice that he got 3 picks for 1. But look at the 3 picks. 33, 106, 180. All 2 rounds apart from each other. Your theory about trying to get the most bites out of the cluster clearly doesn't apply here unless his cluster includes 150 players. IMO he and his staff don't necessarily have a direction they are aiming to go. They'll likely trade 1 of the 2 2nd round picks they have and I honestly feel we'll look to add draft capital for 2023.

Or they are more targeted. Cluster 100-110 and another 180-195.

I think JL knew what they were doing when they traded back for Vea. I think they had a few guys on their board, felt great one would still be there, and moved back. In addition, what they got was in a part of the draft where they may be eyeing a pair of players.

[King Bootz]

That was the entire point of what I said. Most, if not all teams who hoard picks, do so without any purpose other than hoarding pucks. More often than not the guy they eventually take isn't part of the "cluster" you're referring to. Because if that guy is there and they love him, they wouldn't trade back to risk losing him. Doing so would be prioritizing quantity. I refuse to believe any GM would be that stupid and so do you.

Take Licht for instance and the trade yesterday. Yes, it's nice that he got 3 picks for 1. But look at the 3 picks. 33, 106, 180. All 2 rounds apart from each other. Your theory about trying to get the most bites out of the cluster clearly doesn't apply here unless his cluster includes 150 players. IMO he and his staff don't necessarily have a direction they are aiming to go. They'll likely trade 1 of the 2 2nd round picks they have and I honestly feel we'll look to add draft capital for 2023.

Or they are more targeted. Cluster 100-110 and another 180-195.

I think JL knew what they were doing when they traded back for Vea. I think they had a few guys on their board, felt great one would still be there, and moved back. In addition, what they got was in a part of the draft where they may be eyeing a pair of players.

That's more obvious. It was clear a run-stuffing NT wasn't going top 10. We're now talking about the end of the 1st/beginning of the 2nd round range where there are way more possibilities and likelihoods. Additionally, look at the 2 2nds he got in that deal. 53 & 56. Clearly they wanted more bites out of the 50-60 cluster. That makes sense.

[Snake]

Picks 10-11-12. Not too bad.

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and the best WR from OSU is still in college. Crazy.

[Doctor]

LVD is on his last year. Maybe his last leg- who knows where that cliff is. Taking Dean to pair up with White for years is a fantastic plan. Maybe we run a 2-5 defense.

[Snake]

LVD is on his last year. Maybe his last leg- who knows where that cliff is. Taking Dean to pair up with White for years is a fantastic plan. Maybe we run a 2-5 defense.

The team should consider improving the DB room before adding more LBs. just my opinion.

[mdb1958]

Picks 10-11-12. Not too bad.

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and the best WR from OSU is still in college. Crazy.

They look scrawnier than the dude Tyson pounded on the plane.

[Snake]

Picks 10-11-12. Not too bad.

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and the best WR from OSU is still in college. Crazy.

They look scrawnier than the dude Tyson pounded on the plane.

White isn’t very flattering.


On another note, I’m taking a look at the Lions offense right now. Looks pretty nice. Other than quarterback LOL.

[Doctor]

Olave for the Saints is really nice. People sleeping on the Saints.

[mdb1958]

White isn’t very flattering.

Well yeah, I guess that could of been a trigger for Tyson.

[Snake]

Olave for the Saints is really nice. People sleeping on the Saints.

Not having Sean Payton is a fairly big deal. We will see just how big of a deal it is.

[Doctor]

Alright, put up your name. No pussyfooting.

Who I want: Dean. 100% By far.

Who we will pick: Kenneth Walker III

In the mix:
- DT Logan Hall
- EDGE Boye Mafe
- EDGE Arnold Ebiketie
- DT Travis Jones
- TE Trey McBride
- WR Christian Watson


Walker is a fantastic player and you can't be mad at adding him. If only Ali and Gronk were back, the offense would be as close to perfect as you could get. But boy I love Dean. Logan Hall is also really up there as well. Athletic plug and play 5 tech that does everything we like our guy to do who can still get even better.

[Snake]

Christian Watson would be such an insane pick and I’d be here for it.

The route running needs a lot of work but that’s just time and work, he has the physical attributes to get better at this. He needs to put on some weight. But the athleticism is so insane. The after catch talent. I think they could get him the ball in a lot of ways and I think he would destroy.

[Backside]

My brain makes Logan Hall and Travis Jones the same person. Either of them would be fine with me.

I think Dean would be a home run pick. In terms of return on investment. Talk about need all you want, but most important is getting a good NFL player. Far from a guarantee with any player. But Dean is one I’d bet on.

Booth from Clemson would probably be nice value.

I still love McBride, but #33 feels a bit rich at this point. Maybe later in the day.

Should be a fun day. Adding three (at least) new players. All of which could/should contribute next year in some capacity.

[King Bootz]

LVD is on his last year. Maybe his last leg- who knows where that cliff is. Taking Dean to pair up with White for years is a fantastic plan. Maybe we run a 2-5 defense.

The team should consider improving the DB room before adding more LBs. just my opinion.

This. Dean and SMB are also on their last year and neither isn't exactly what you'd call irreplaceable.

[mdb1958]

Alright, put up your name. No pussyfooting.

Who I want: Dean. 100% By far.

Who we will pick: Kenneth Walker III

In the mix:
- DT Logan Hall
- EDGE Boye Mafe
- EDGE Arnold Ebiketie
- DT Travis Jones
- TE Trey McBride
- WR Christian Watson


Walker is a fantastic player and you can't be mad at adding him. If only Ali and Gronk were back, the offense would be as close to perfect as you could get. But boy I love Dean. Logan Hall is also really up there as well. Athletic plug and play 5 tech that does everything we like our guy to do who can still get even better.

Which of those players can you get with another trade down?

[Doctor]

Any. I don't get how Dean has fallen this far, so who knows how much further. It's insane to me. But I could easily see two there for say if we could swing a trade for the Seahawks 8 and 9, oh boy.

[Four Verticals]

And now that Wyatt is off the board, I'm gonna reverse my earlier course and call out this fucking lush of a GM we have. Licht sometimes looks like a genius and sometimes looks like a fucking moron (Aguayo in the second round). This year, he's got the moron look perfected!!!

Licht has his guy in mind. That's how Licht is. He locks in. FWIW, I think he knew Wyatt would almost certainly go between 27-32. It wasn't like he was a deep sleeper. Whoever he's targeting at #33, he likes better. Time will decide if he was right.

...or he liked whoever he thinks he can get (likely multiple players in mind) plus the extra picks over a player such as Wyatt.