2025 Bucs Draft Needs

[Kona]

After the first 5 weeks, we have some holes to fill. CB, LB, LG, TE are the screaming holes at the moment. What are we thinking?

[Snake]

Need upgrades ASAP:

LG-RG
CB
RB
EDGE pass rush

Should upgrade:

DE
TE - no dynamicism
ILB - LVD could retire anytime and Dennis is injury prone

Wouldn’t be a bad idea to look for good quarterback value as well.

[Bootz]

In no particular order....

CB. We traded the wrong Auburn Tiger. Dean is complete trash. He plays with no confidence. No understanding. Guy runs a 4.3 but is afraid of getting beat deep. McCollum is having a good season so far but he's not a #1 shutdown type.

Edge. We have nothing. Absolutely nothing. Yaya without Shaq on the otherside taking on double teams is JAG. JTS is done here. Nelson is a JAG. Braswell does nothing. I'd honestly consider throwing our 1st next year at Dallas for Parsons, since they don't seem to want to pay him. It is that bad. This might be the spot I'd target round 1.

Guard. The Mauch experiment is over. He looks weak, he plays weak. We've played spin the bottle with the LG spot since Marpet retired.

QB. I like Baker. He's showing that 2023 wasn't a fluke. But he's also showing that with him there will always be a ceiling that's not very high.

TE. This one speaks for its self.

[Cheb]

Cornerback and inside linebacker in the first two rounds. After that I would be looking to pick an offensive guard and a designated pass rusher. After that, BPA.

[TonyLip]

LB
LB
LB
And a really fast LB

[TonyLip]

And a Tampa-Manatee based Institutional Farm for developing young talented DB’s that don’t get drafted outright…
Yearly…

[mdb1958]

Jackson Woodard, how would he look in a Bucs uniform?

[mdb1958]

Cornerback and inside linebacker in the first two rounds. After that I would be looking to pick an offensive guard and a designated pass rusher. After that, BPA.

You know names have to be involved and they have to line up where we pick.

[Central_Buc]

Cornerback and inside linebacker in the first two rounds. After that I would be looking to pick an offensive guard and a designated pass rusher. After that, BPA.

Seconded.

[Central_Buc]

Anyone know the top LB and CB coming out this year

[Snake]

Anyone know the top LB and CB coming out this year

Michigan’s CB was the best, or so I read. Will Johnson.

He hurt his ankle recently but appears to be coming back for their next game.

[Phantom]

Are you seriously kidding me?! We absolutely need all the defense


LB
CB
DE

[CannonFire]

When it comes to the draft, I think the most important part is to figure out what we expect to be in 2025. I think it's obvious that we have a lot of needs/holes. Outside of like 10 to 15 players, I think the rest are replaceable.

On offense, I'm good with most of our OLine, I think we need to find a LG... the rest is fine. We need to really re-think the WR corp. Evans I'm good with, but everyone else? Meh. We need to bring back Godwin if we want to get real production from our WR's. Shepard is ok, as a 4, not a 3... so we need to bring in someone better. I think Palmer is a poor man's DeSean Jackson. All he does is run straight and we hope he catches it. Simply, he's at best, a 6... probably best used as a returner. McMillan is looking pretty bad right now. I don't want to tie my hopes to him panning out. I'm fine with him as a 5, but that puts us in the need to bring back Godwin and bring in a 3. I would be ok with Dionte Johnson at the right price. I'm good with Otton, I think he's a quality NFL starting TE. I'd rather re-up him than bring someone else in and hope. I'm actually ok with our 3 RB's. You all know that I'd rather move on from Mayfield and his contract. I'd rather trade him and take whatever cap savings we get and bring in someone else... heck, maybe even Trask at $2M. IF Mayfield is as good as people think he his, there should be teams lined up to trade for him. I think the Seahawks would be willing to make a deal. Smith will be 35 and has 1 year left on his deal and he can be released for a $12M cap savings. I know, I know, you're all scared (well, some of you anyway), "who are we going to get!!!" LOL

On defense, I think we have a ton of holes. Too many to be filled in the draft or through limited funds in FA. It's going to have to be a mult-year project (it's a reason why I think trading Mayfield works... he'll probably bring us a 3rd round pick and free up spending money). Outside of Vea and Winfield, the rest range between capable to replaceable. I'm actually ok with some guys in their current roles like McCollum, Tykee, Kancey, and Diaby, but I think they need other players opposite them that are better. I think they're decent players, they're just not "the guy". As for the other starters, they should be at best, backups. Their starting roles need to be given to someone else.

I mean, that leaves us with a LOT of draft needs and really, too many to list or quantify. They could take the BPA at literally every single position and it would probably improve the team.

[mdb1958]

Did you just explain a decade to me

[mdb1958]

@Cheb are those two Wolverine defensive tackles going to declare and which one would fit our team the best?

[BJJ34]

WR is pretty glaring.

[Cheb]

@Cheb are those two Wolverine defensive tackles going to declare and which one would fit our team the best?

I would declare if I were them.

Both Kenneth Grant and Mason Graham are excellent defensive tackles. I think Graham is a top ten pick, Grant somewhere in the first round.

Graham is good at everything. Excellent contact balance, great strength and leverage, fundamentally sound as a run stopper, surprisingly good as a pass rusher. He also is more versatile than Grant is and would have a home in any defense in the league.

I like Kenneth Grant, but I think he's more strictly a nose player as a pro. Dude's a beast, but a beast with a smaller toolbox.

Given my pick between the two of them, I would pick Graham. Given my pick of any current Michigan defender, I would take Will Johnson and not look back. Dude has Pro Bowl cornerback written all over him.

[mdb1958]

Cornerback and inside linebacker in the first two rounds. After that I would be looking to pick an offensive guard and a designated pass rusher. After that, BPA.

I hope we start out with best player available and they get it right!

[mdb1958]

Is Shawn Dolac going to be a beast?

[mdb1958]

Will Chris Paul Jr declare?

[mdb1958]

How would you use Travis Hunter?

[Grahamburn]

How would you use Travis Hunter?

Same way the Buffs do.

[Grahamburn]

Jalon Walker from Georgia should be on the first round radar.

[Grahamburn]

Jihaad Campbell from Bama too.

[BJJ34]

We need a TE. One as versatile as Tyler Warren.

[mdb1958]

Jihaad Campbell from Bama too.

I get that the knowers of all have given those two linebackers high status but I look (also) at relevant production by going to NCAA stats and looking at linebackers who are good at dropping into coverage and making int's and pd's. While also doing tackle production.

If you have linebackers up there doing the stuff safeties and cornerback's are doing, they just might be good. So I think it would be wise to watch all rounds for their availability.

[Grahamburn]

Jihaad Campbell from Bama too.

I get that the knowers of all have given those two linebackers high status but I look (also) at relevant production by going to NCAA stats and looking at linebackers who are good at dropping into coverage and making int's and pd's. While also doing tackle production.

If you have linebackers up there doing the stuff safeties and cornerback's are doing, they just might be good. So I think it would be wise to watch all rounds for their availability.

We’re pretty far away from these decisions. Just pointing out these guys could be late first round targets at an obvious position of need for us.

[mdb1958]

I get that the knowers of all have given those two linebackers high status but I look (also) at relevant production by going to NCAA stats and looking at linebackers who are good at dropping into coverage and making int's and pd's. While also doing tackle production.

If you have linebackers up there doing the stuff safeties and cornerback's are doing, they just might be good. So I think it would be wise to watch all rounds for their availability.

We’re pretty far away from these decisions. Just pointing out these guys could be late first round targets at an obvious position of need for us.

Their production is now locked in and now it's just whoever is passing you the magical pointer.

[Kona]

Right now Edge and CB look to be the two biggest, with MLB rounding out the 3rd and moves higher if Lavonte doesn’t come back.

[Grahamburn]

Watching Jalon Walker #11 specifically for Georgia today.

[Bootz]

In no particular order....

CB. We traded the wrong Auburn Tiger. Dean is complete trash. He plays with no confidence. No understanding. Guy runs a 4.3 but is afraid of getting beat deep. McCollum is having a good season so far but he's not a #1 shutdown type.

Edge. We have nothing. Absolutely nothing. Yaya without Shaq on the otherside taking on double teams is JAG. JTS is done here. Nelson is a JAG. Braswell does nothing. I'd honestly consider throwing our 1st next year at Dallas for Parsons, since they don't seem to want to pay him. It is that bad. This might be the spot I'd target round 1.

Guard. The Mauch experiment is over. He looks weak, he plays weak. We've played spin the bottle with the LG spot since Marpet retired.

QB. I like Baker. He's showing that 2023 wasn't a fluke. But he's also showing that with him there will always be a ceiling that's not very high.

TE. This one speaks for its self.

Gonna amend this a bit and put it in order.

1, 2 and 3- Edge Rusher

7.5. Thats the total number of sacks our top 4 Edge rushers(Yaya, JTS, Nelson, Braswell) have this year combined. These days getting pressure isn't enough. QBs operate off platform now more than ever and in some cases, it's part of the offense. Getting pressure on Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen doesn't mean a thing if they get 20 yards on a scramble.

4- OL

"But Bootz, look at how amazing our offense is. The OL has a lot to do with that".

This is a credit to Coen for adjusting the scheme aka simplifying the offense. Our pass protection is not very good on long developing plays. We need to find a long term solution at LG. Bredeson has been terrible. If we're being honest Graham has been bad himself but we can at least attribute that to him being a rookie. Mauch took a step forward but he still has a ways to go. We've done well hiding some of the deficiencies of this OL but we could stand to target a LG early. Goedeke has taken a step back. Maybe it's because of the injury, but he hasn't been as good this year.

5. DB

Take your pick. Corner. Safety. We need more talent in the secondary. AWJ made out like a bandit. QBs last year when they targeted him had a rating of 68.9. This year it's 133.7. Jordan Whitehead was even worse before he got hurt, 135.4. Dean is still mostly average. We found a good one in McCollum though. Depth could use some work though.

6. WR

Remember when the word was we had the deepest WR room in football? Now it's old, injured, and underachieving. Godwin likely won't be back next year after suffering another season ending lower leg injury. Even still he'll be 29 and has a lot of miles and wear and tear on that body. Evans is 31 and getting more nicked up as time goes on. He doesn't have long. Behind him, bleh! People crowned both Trey Palmer and Jalen Mcmillan way too soon. Both had opportunities to step up when Evans and Godwin were both out and whether it was because of injury or they just couldn't get on the field, neither was up to the challenge.

[Phantom]

I know it’s long shot but I’m willing to give up draft picks for Travis Hunter Jr. He’s the real deal.

[Doctor]

Cornerback and inside linebacker in the first two rounds. After that I would be looking to pick an offensive guard and a designated pass rusher. After that, BPA.

I hope we start out with best player available and they get it right!

Considering half of first rounders bust, just getting one good enough to re sign is a hard earned W.

BPA bottom of first tends to just be a high faller. Lots of good possibilities in this one. Plenty of guys have question marks.

[CannonFire]

I know it’s long shot but I’m willing to give up draft picks for Travis Hunter Jr. He’s the real deal.

[Phantom]

I know it’s long shot but I’m willing to give up draft picks for Travis Hunter Jr. He’s the real deal.

You disagree? What’s wrong with him?