2022 Offseason Thread

[acmillis]

ESPN saying positive test was November

[Dread]

The Human Turnover Machine moved like a Baby Giraffe before blowing his knee out. And with Dennis Allen instead of Payton?

This is going to be an epic disaster. So basically what Yuck fans watched for 5 LONG years.

Brady is 0-4 in the regular season as a Buccaneer vs the Saints.

They own us right now regardless of who plays QB.

But I'll still take Brady over a season and come playoff time Brady won't lose to Jameis Winston.

[King Bootz]

What's worse is none of the games have been particularly close. But I agree with Dread's overall point.

[Doctor]

Actually my top QB of the draft. I don't know if he'll be around in Carolina long enough to become anything, but it's an interesting landing spot. Could very well earn that job.

[MJW]

Actually my top QB of the draft. I don't know if he'll be around in Carolina long enough to become anything, but it's an interesting landing spot. Could very well earn that job.

I love his combination of quick read/quick release. He trusts his eyes and gets the ball out quick.

Couldn't ask for an easier path to a starting job, either. Darnold is trash and Walker aspires to be trash. Then you look at a pretty good group of weapons - DJ Moore, Robby Anderson, CMC (if and when he plays), and I really like last year's second rounder Terrace Marshall. They got an actual left tackle now, too.

It's a pretty good situation. Of course, it's equally as likely he's this generation's Jimmy Clausen, and the Panthers draft this generation's Cam Newton next year.

[Crocaneers]

This'll be fun

[Defense5599]

With the Saints going all in this year and the Panthers getting a starting caliber QB, winning the NFC South isn't gonna be a cake walk.

[Snake]

Yes it is. As long as TB12 stays healthy.

[acmillis]

With the Saints going all in this year and the Panthers getting a starting caliber QB, winning the NFC South isn't gonna be a cake walk.

LUGZ has entered the chat..

[King Bootz]

Panthers got a starting caliber QB.

Signed,
Will Grier
Teddy Bridgewater
Sam Darnold
And some dude from the AAAAAAFFFFF

Right?!! It honestly seems like any QB they take is forecast to be better than Cam a star.

[_MB_]

The Bucs are the only proven commodity in the division. The rest are all building for life after Brady.

Not winning the division would be a disaster for Tampa this year. Not sure why anyone would entertain that scenario.

[King Bootz]

The Bucs are the only proven commodity in the division. The rest are all building for life after Brady.

Not winning the division would be a disaster for Tampa this year. Not sure why anyone would entertain that scenario.

Honestly the other teams are doing what we should be. I'd say us not winning the Super Bowl this year would be a disaster to be honest. This is our last bite of the apple before we enter "cap hell" and the great unknown.

[BucsNBills]

The Saints won't be a pushover this year. They already have the Bucs number and are better than last season. Even with a volatile Jameis Winston leading the offense, I could see them pushing the Bucs for the division title. If Brady and the Bucs once again get swept by the Saints, they only need to keep pace and they have the title.

[Dread]

As we all know Brady is 0-4 vs the Saints as the Bucs starting QB. They beat is last year with Taysom Hill at QB only scoring 9pts. Dennis Allen has owned Tom Brady and defensively they match up very well against us. Our Oline always plays our worst against their front.

Even the game we won in the playoffs enroute to the Superbowl was only b/c we forced turnovers and gave short fields to the offense.

The Saints have limited depth, but their starting 22 is a playoff team for sure imo.

Over the course of the season the Bucs should win more games than the Saints since Jameis is unpredictable, and if we happen to face the Saints in the playoffs I'll take Tom Brady over Jameis 10x out of 10 in a playoff game.

[mdb1958]

The NFL spending avg for a DL is 33.9 mil, we are at 16.5.

[mdb1958]

No worries though - we picked up game changing Deadrin
Senat.

[IchabodCrane84]

The NFL spending avg for a DL is 33.9 mil, we are at 16.5.

Because our DEs are called LBs

[mdb1958]

The NFL spending avg for a DL is 33.9 mil, we are at 16.5.

Because our DEs are called LBs

Add the two together and we are still 5.6 million under the league avg. The lighter guys tasked to fill Suh's role?
Is that what you see?

[Terry Tate]

The Saints won't be a pushover this year. They already have the Bucs number and are better than last season. Even with a volatile Jameis Winston leading the offense, I could see them pushing the Bucs for the division title. If Brady and the Bucs once again get swept by the Saints, they only need to keep pace and they have the title.

It remains to be seen how the Saints play without Sean Payton.

Granted, Dennis Allen's defense is a large reason why they beat us and he's still there but you can't just drop a HC like Payton and not expect blowback.

[mdb1958]

Where we are now, players we have are going to have to shock a lot of NFL O-linemen while they get the most snaps in their career. It's more likely we see a major change in our usual dominance of the LOS and some major hurting coming our way.

[Tnbandwagoner]

The Saints won't be a pushover this year. They already have the Bucs number and are better than last season. Even with a volatile Jameis Winston leading the offense, I could see them pushing the Bucs for the division title. If Brady and the Bucs once again get swept by the Saints, they only need to keep pace and they have the title.

You're forgetting that one minor detail that they lost one of the three or four best head coaches in the league and replaced him with a coordinator who has never been a HC. The last time that led to immediate success was probably never. I can't recall it happening.

[Primeminister]

The Saints won't be a pushover this year. They already have the Bucs number and are better than last season. Even with a volatile Jameis Winston leading the offense, I could see them pushing the Bucs for the division title. If Brady and the Bucs once again get swept by the Saints, they only need to keep pace and they have the title.

You're forgetting that one minor detail that they lost one of the three or four best head coaches in the league and replaced him with a coordinator who has never been a HC. The last time that led to immediate success was probably never. I can't recall it happening.

Mike Tomlin replacing The Chin comes to mind.

[_MB_]

Jameis is Big Ben now?

The man is not clutch. We all know that.

[Primeminister]

Jameis is Big Ben now?

The man is not clutch. We all know that.

Focused on the coaches not the QB.

[_MB_]

Jameis is Big Ben now?

The man is not clutch. We all know that.

Focused on the coaches not the QB.

Fair enough, but I'd be happy to wager that Winston would have been better off with Peyton.

[MJW]

The NFL spending avg for a DL is 33.9 mil, we are at 16.5.

Because our DEs are called LBs

This.

Two gapping DL (who typically play in 3-4s) are usually cheaper than one-gap penetrators. And pass rushing linebackers typically get paid in our scheme, but they don't count as DL.

Plus, our DL number will get a bump when Suh signs and gets his $7 mil or whatever. Right now, it's Vea, an affordable Gholston, a rookie Logan Hall, and some schemps.

[mdb1958]

Because our DEs are called LBs

This.

Two gapping DL (who typically play in 3-4s) are usually cheaper than one-gap penetrators. And pass rushing linebackers typically get paid in our scheme, but they don't count as DL.

Plus, our DL number will get a bump when Suh signs and gets his $7 mil or whatever. Right now, it's Vea, an affordable Gholston, a rookie Logan Hall, and some schemps.

Well you two won't be around for the mental meltdown on game days - so there is that. Also, why does the entire board not question why for 2 years we arent even trying to improve the so called schemps.

[MJW]

This.

Two gapping DL (who typically play in 3-4s) are usually cheaper than one-gap penetrators. And pass rushing linebackers typically get paid in our scheme, but they don't count as DL.

Plus, our DL number will get a bump when Suh signs and gets his $7 mil or whatever. Right now, it's Vea, an affordable Gholston, a rookie Logan Hall, and some schemps.

Well you two won't be around for the mental meltdown on game days - so there is that. Also, why does the entire board not question why for 2 years we arent even trying to improve the so called schemps.

Not getting younger/deeper on the DL has been arguably Licht's biggest shortcoming as GM. Look at the draft history before Logan Hall.

2014: No defensive linemen drafted.
2015: No defensive linemen drafted.
2016: Noah Spence (2nd Round) - Amounted To Nothing.
2017: Stevie T (7th Round) - Amounted To Nothing.
2018: Vita Vea (1st Round) - One of the best picks Licht ever made.
2019: Anthony Nelson (5th Round) - Nice player, but not really a DL in this scheme.
2019: Terry Beckner (7th Round) - Amounted To Nothing.
2020: Khalil Davis (6th Round) (GBR) - Amounted To Nothing.
2021: No defensive linemen drafted.
2022: Logan Hall (1st Round) - We shall see.

In the eight drafts before last week, the only true defensive lineman Licht drafted who amounted to anything is Vita Vea. It's not really a mystery why our depth has sucked. I really wish we'd gone after Travis Jones with the Goedeke pick, or Perrion Winfrey with the White pick.

[Snake]

Praise Gholston for just being the dudiest dude to dude at 3-4 DE. does his job and made ^ possible.

[MJW]

Praise Gholston for just being the dudiest dude to dude at 3-4 DE. does his job and made ^ possible.

Amen. If Gholston isn't one of your favorite Bucs, do you even Buc bro?

[Grahamburn]

How many guys do you need at that position in this scheme? Vea, Gholston, Nacho, Suh have all been here for 3+ years. Honestly. How many more assets do you allocate to interior DL in a 3-4. JPP, Barrett are/were LBs.

Now they've drafted Hall. The DL/LBs for this front have been more than adequately addressed.

Seems like maybe at mdb is just a little butt hurt they didn’t take Jones (who fell to almost the 80th pick), because he drafted him first in the infinite number of mocks he did.

[Grahamburn]

And I briefly forgot JTS somehow.

[Crocaneers]

Gronk update

[uscbucsfan]

Gronk update

He was joking.

[mdb1958]

How many guys do you need at that position in this scheme? Vea, Gholston, Nacho, Suh have all been here for 3+ years. Honestly. How many more assets do you allocate to interior DL in a 3-4. JPP, Barrett are/were LBs.

Now they've drafted Hall. The DL/LBs for this front have been more than adequately addressed.

Seems like maybe at mdb is just a little butt hurt they didn’t take Jones (who fell to almost the 80th pick), because he drafted him first in the infinite number of mocks he did.

Till you get it right.