2022 Offseason Thread

[Selmon Rules]

For the golfers in the group, this is a fun match

I'll watch that, lol

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For the golfers in the group, this is a fun match

I'll watch that, lol

"Bah Gawd! It's Justin Herbert with a steel chair!"

[mdb1958]

9 days, please curb your excitement

[Digital_Damage]

LOL, the browns are pulling a late 2000's Dan Snyder.

[King Bootz]

LOL, the browns are pulling a late 2000's Dan Snyder.

Tell me you've never watched a player play without telling me you've never watched a player play. Ward is one of the best in the game. QBs don't throw his way much and when they do, he gets his hands on the ball. Best in the game? Probably not. But he is solidly top 5 and we all know how this works anyway. Someone will soon sign a slightly larger deal.

[Dread]

Ward is certainly in that top/elite of NFL CBs imo. He's also likely the youngest CB in that group.

He's an elite player who plays a premium position. Paying him is a no-brainer imo.

[King Bootz]

Ward is certainly in that top/elite of NFL CBs imo. He's also likely the youngest CB in that group.

He's an elite player who plays a premium position. Paying him is a no-brainer imo.

Yea it's not everyday you find 24/25 year old elite players going into their 2nd contracts. Only knock on him is he's dinged more often than you'd like but it's never been anything serious. He's never played a full 16/17 game season before. But I have zero issues with the Browns paying him. He's earned it.

[Kress]

Ward is certainly in that top/elite of NFL CBs imo. He's also likely the youngest CB in that group.

He's an elite player who plays a premium position. Paying him is a no-brainer imo.

The fact that you qualified "top/elite" is a bit telling, but maybe that's just because it's how I see it. Top corner? Yes. Worth the highest contract ever? Ummmmmmm....

Maybe it's just the ever-increasing nature of things, but he is not in the same category of game-changer as a guy like Deion. But good for him.

[mdb1958]

So, is he half as good as Donnie Abraham?

[Buc2]

Apparently, Directv may be losing out to Apple for NFL Sunday Ticket beginning with the 2023 season.

Report: NFL Sunday Ticket ‘likely’ headed to new home
April 19, 2022 by Steve DelVecchio

DirecTV has had held the rights to the NFL’s Sunday Ticket package since it first launched in 1994, but that is set to change after next season. Sunday Ticket is expected to land with a streaming service in 2023, and a favorite has emerged.

According to Matthew Belloni of PUCK.news, the NFL may already have a deal in place with Apple for Sunday Ticket. Belloni described the Sunday Ticket package as being “Apple’s to lose” and said one source told him a deal is in place but that Apple wants to keep it quiet for now.

DirecTV’s most recent deal with the NFL was renewed in 2014. The satellite provider pays $1.5 billion annually for the package. The new price is expected to be in the $2.5 billion range.

At least one other tech juggernaut was said to be competing with Apple.

The NFL is clearly committed to partnering with streaming services, as evidenced by Amazon becoming the exclusive provider of “Thursday Night Football” beginning next season. Many fans are unhappy with the changes, as they will come with added costs and inconvenience for those who still use cable and satellite providers.

[BJJ34]

If we have to wait til June 6-10 for that announcement, i’m gonna be mad. Apple would be great. I’m integrated with products. Would make Sunday Ticket likely $600 a year though.

[Primeminister]

If we have to wait til June 6-10 for that announcement, i’m gonna be mad. Apple would be great. I’m integrated with products. Would make Sunday Ticket likely $600 a year though.

Reports are that the deal is already done with Apple, but even so it won’t be in place until 2023. This season is with Directv no matter what.

[Buc2]

If we have to wait til June 6-10 for that announcement, i’m gonna be mad. Apple would be great. I’m integrated with products. Would make Sunday Ticket likely $600 a year though.

Reports are that the deal is already done with Apple, but even so it won’t be in place until 2023. This season is with Directv no matter what.

I like this better than Directv. I had DTV for years only because it was the only way I could get Sunday Ticket. With Apple or Amazon or whoever, you don't have to have a satellite dish to receive it so anyone can subscribe provided they're willing to pay the price for it.

[uscbucsfan]

Seems like this would essentially be the end of Direct TV.

[Primeminister]

Reports are that the deal is already done with Apple, but even so it won’t be in place until 2023. This season is with Directv no matter what.

I like this better than Directv. I had DTV for years only because it was the only way I could get Sunday Ticket. With Apple or Amazon or whoever, you don't have to have a satellite dish to receive it so anyone can subscribe provided they're willing to pay the price for it.

Agreed. Plus there are some already subscribed to Apple or Amazon so for some it’s not adding another subscription you don’t want. I expect Apple to do a better job with the platform design as well. Sunday Ticket has been such crap for a couple years that it seemed like DTV didn’t care. They knew people would subscribe anyway so why bother.

Like @uscbucsfan daid this should be the death blow for DTV.

[King Bootz]

I like Deebo Samuel but he seems to forget that before 2021 he hadn't done a damn thing.

[kaimaru]

Reports are that the deal is already done with Apple, but even so it won’t be in place until 2023. This season is with Directv no matter what.

I like this better than Directv. I had DTV for years only because it was the only way I could get Sunday Ticket. With Apple or Amazon or whoever, you don't have to have a satellite dish to receive it so anyone can subscribe provided they're willing to pay the price for it.

You have been able to get it without the dish. It has been a DirectTV streaming service since 2009. C'mon now, you could even get it on the PS3 and XBox 360. I am also sure that Apple will jack the price up like usual.

[kaimaru]

I like Deebo Samuel but he seems to forget that before 2021 he hadn't done a damn thing.

800 yards receiving his rookie year isn't bad. He also was injured over half of 2020.

[King Bootz]

I like Deebo Samuel but he seems to forget that before 2021 he hadn't done a damn thing.

800 yards receiving his rookie year isn't bad. He also was injured over half of 2020.

"Isn't bad" is not the attitude he's displaying now. He's acting as if he's been a great player with great production over the course of his career.

[MJW]

He's a hell of a player. But at least some of what he's doing is due to Shanahan scheming him into good situations with the ball. How much is up for debate. But I don't buy that he'd go anywhere and do what he's doing right now.

Should they pay him? Yes. Should the deal by anywhere near the money guys like Adams and Hill just got? Not IMHO.

[MJW]

When you tease out what Terry McLaurin has done, looking at the metrics of Washington's quarterback play...it's insane. If he'd even had someone like Kirk Cousins throwing him the ball, he'd probably be in the conversation as one of the very best in the league. I don't remember the qualifiers, but among "top" receivers, he has the lowest number of catchable targets in the league by a wide, wide margin.

Washington has to sign him. Has to. It's about more than football for them right now. That organization is in flames. The fans just found out their owner has been defrauding them. They haven't fielded a Superbowl contending team in 30 years. They haven't had a franchise QB since Joe Theismann. If they let one of their few real superstars leave at age 25, it would be crushing to a fanbase that's already crushed.

[acmillis]

He's a hell of a player. But at least some of what he's doing is due to Shanahan scheming him into good situations with the ball. How much is up for debate. But I don't buy that he'd go anywhere and do what he's doing right now.

Should they pay him? Yes. Should the deal by anywhere near the money guys like Adams and Hill just got? Not IMHO.

That's how I view Tyreek Hill; amazing for/in KC, above average anywhere else, especially with a limp-armed QB.

[Kress]

He's a hell of a player. But at least some of what he's doing is due to Shanahan scheming him into good situations with the ball. How much is up for debate. But I don't buy that he'd go anywhere and do what he's doing right now.

Should they pay him? Yes. Should the deal by anywhere near the money guys like Adams and Hill just got? Not IMHO.

He's a wide receiver playing running back, so he's trying to leverage what WR's get paid against the RB risk of injury. I'm not sure it works like that.

[King Bootz]

He's a hell of a player. But at least some of what he's doing is due to Shanahan scheming him into good situations with the ball. How much is up for debate. But I don't buy that he'd go anywhere and do what he's doing right now.

Should they pay him? Yes. Should the deal by anywhere near the money guys like Adams and Hill just got? Not IMHO.

That's how I view Tyreek Hill; amazing for/in KC, above average anywhere else, especially with a limp-armed QB.

Assuming you never watched him play with Alex Smith at QB. If I told you the 2nd highest YPC of his career came with Smith at QB what would your response be? And yes, Tua has a better arm than Alex Smith did.

[These Are The Days]

Mike Glennon takes offense to the check down artist remark

[acmillis]

That's how I view Tyreek Hill; amazing for/in KC, above average anywhere else, especially with a limp-armed QB.

Assuming you never watched him play with Alex Smith at QB. If I told you the 2nd highest YPC of his career came with Smith at QB what would your response be? And yes, Tua has a better arm than Alex Smith did.

We'll see this season if Tyreek Hill is still (arguably) the best WR in football, or if the scheme in KC made him what he was in KC. I'd venture to guess that all of his stats fall, partly because Tua is trash, but partly because the scheme in KC was perfect for him.

[King Bootz]

Assuming you never watched him play with Alex Smith at QB. If I told you the 2nd highest YPC of his career came with Smith at QB what would your response be? And yes, Tua has a better arm than Alex Smith did.

We'll see this season if Tyreek Hill is still (arguably) the best WR in football, or if the scheme in KC made him what he was in KC. I'd venture to guess that all of his stats fall, partly because Tua is trash, but partly because the scheme in KC was perfect for him.

In what way was the scheme perfect for him? The majority of the plays that went his way were him converting short passes into longer gains. That has always been how Andy Reid uses his WRs

By your own logic, since Tua has a "weak arm", check downs to Hill should be par the course.

Take a look at what Waddle did with Tua. He "only" set the record for receptions by a rookie WR.

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Not to be a fly in the ointment, but I thought Tua's arm strength was a plus coming out of Bama. He certainly had a ton of zip on the ball coming off the bench in that national championship game.

Is Miami pushing him to check down to avoid the risk of turnovers?

[uscbucsfan]

Not to be a fly in the ointment, but I thought Tua's arm strength was a plus coming out of Bama. He certainly had a ton of zip on the ball coming off the bench in that national championship game.

Is Miami pushing him to check down to avoid the risk of turnovers?

He had either the worst or second worst pass blocking in the NFL last season and had the third least time to throw. He has plenty of arm for the NFL and showed it last season, when he could.

[King Bootz]

Not to be a fly in the ointment, but I thought Tua's arm strength was a plus coming out of Bama. He certainly had a ton of zip on the ball coming off the bench in that national championship game.

Is Miami pushing him to check down to avoid the risk of turnovers?

Their Oline is crap. Whether it was Tua or Fitz they didn't have a ton of time back there. So they went for a shorter, quicker passing game. Additionally they don't exactly have the athletes to push the ball down the field. Waddle helps but he's a guy who can turn a 5 yard pass into a 15 yard gain like Hill can. So you'd want to utilize his make you miss ability as much as possible.

Tua's arm is plenty strong. I'm just entertaining this IABL notion that he has a weak arm because it's an argument you won't hear anywhere else.

Edit: @uscbucsfan beat me to it, but yea. That's the situation.

[acmillis]

We'll see this season if Tyreek Hill is still (arguably) the best WR in football, or if the scheme in KC made him what he was in KC. I'd venture to guess that all of his stats fall, partly because Tua is trash, but partly because the scheme in KC was perfect for him.

In what way was the scheme perfect for him? The majority of the plays that went his way were him converting short passes into longer gains. That has always been how Andy Reid uses his WRs

By your own logic, since Tua has a "weak arm", check downs to Hill should be par the course.

Take a look at what Waddle did with Tua. He "only" set the record for receptions by a rookie WR.

Is that not the definition of "scheme"

[Primeminister]

[King Bootz]

In what way was the scheme perfect for him? The majority of the plays that went his way were him converting short passes into longer gains. That has always been how Andy Reid uses his WRs

By your own logic, since Tua has a "weak arm", check downs to Hill should be par the course.

Take a look at what Waddle did with Tua. He "only" set the record for receptions by a rookie WR.

Is that not the definition of "scheme"

It would be. What confuses me is you correlating the success Hill had to the QBs arm strength.

[_MB_]

I assume he wants a new deal.

[King Bootz]

I assume he wants a new deal.

At this point no one knows what he wants. Not even him. The Niners made him several offers. He put a full stop to everything yesterday and just wants to leave the organization. It's something we don't know and I'm guessing neither does he. Reportedly the offer was extremely generous.