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uscbucsfan wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:08 pm
King Bootz wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:00 pm

Uhhh no. You either don't know Rodgers deal or you don't math well. Rodgers signed for 3yrs/$150mil. That's $50mil/year. Carr signed for a shade over $40mil/year.
I'm referring to cap hit, the way they structured it:

Rodgers:

2022- 28.5mm
2023- 31.6mm
2024- 40.7mm
2025-59.3mm (16 mm in dead cap if cut)
2026- 53.4mm (8 mm in dead cap if cut)

From what the speculation is on Carr's contract he'll have a higher cap hit for the next 3 years, as I stated in my post.

edit: I didn't do the math OTC and Sportstrac did
So you didn't really mean he'd "make more" than Rodgers over the next 3 years, which he won't. Simply referring to the cap hits. Cool.
It's worth noting Rodgers is getting $41mil this year alone as a signing bonus. That's almost a 3rd of his entire 3 year extension.
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uscbucsfan wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:08 pm
King Bootz wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:00 pm

Uhhh no. You either don't know Rodgers deal or you don't math well. Rodgers signed for 3yrs/$150mil. That's $50mil/year. Carr signed for a shade over $40mil/year.
I'm referring to cap hit, the way they structured it:

Rodgers:

2022- 28.5mm
2023- 31.6mm
2024- 40.7mm
2025-59.3mm (16 mm in dead cap if cut)
2026- 53.4mm (8 mm in dead cap if cut)

From what the speculation is on Carr's contract he'll have a higher cap hit for the next 3 years, as I stated in my post.

edit: I didn't do the math OTC and Sportstrac did
So you didn't really mean he'd "make more" than Rodgers over the next 3 years, which he won't. Simply referring to the cap hits. Cool.
It's worth noting Rodgers is getting $41mil this year alone as a signing bonus. That's almost a 3rd of his entire 3 year extension.
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King Bootz wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:26 pm
uscbucsfan wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:08 pm

I'm referring to cap hit, the way they structured it:

Rodgers:

2022- 28.5mm
2023- 31.6mm
2024- 40.7mm
2025-59.3mm (16 mm in dead cap if cut)
2026- 53.4mm (8 mm in dead cap if cut)

From what the speculation is on Carr's contract he'll have a higher cap hit for the next 3 years, as I stated in my post.

edit: I didn't do the math OTC and Sportstrac did
So you didn't really mean he'd "make more" than Rodgers over the next 3 years, which he won't. Simply referring to the cap hits. Cool.
It's worth noting Rodgers is getting $41mil this year alone as a signing bonus. That's almost a 3rd of his entire 3 year extension.
Context is important, Bootz. Cap hit is what hinders a team from signing other players. There were plenty that blamed Adams leaving on Rodgers' contract, even though GB offered him more money. If Carr is taking a bigger cap hit, that's more detrimental to the total cap, no?
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Aaaaaaaand here we go.
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uscbucsfan wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:28 pm
King Bootz wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:26 pm

So you didn't really mean he'd "make more" than Rodgers over the next 3 years, which he won't. Simply referring to the cap hits. Cool.
It's worth noting Rodgers is getting $41mil this year alone as a signing bonus. That's almost a 3rd of his entire 3 year extension.
Context is important, Bootz. Cap hit is what hinders a team from signing other players. There were plenty that blamed Adams leaving on Rodgers' contract, even though GB offered him more money. If Carr is taking a bigger cap hit, that's more detrimental to the total cap, no?
Who says Carr's cap hits are larger though? You made a very lofty assumption without the details of his contract even being released. Carr himself is quoted today saying his cap # went down this year. It was originally going to be $19mil. $28mil > $19mil
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Buc2 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:30 pm Aaaaaaaand here we go.

The interest of we can be quite boring. The lack of interest of we can be quite boring.
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King Bootz wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:32 pm
uscbucsfan wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:28 pm

Context is important, Bootz. Cap hit is what hinders a team from signing other players. There were plenty that blamed Adams leaving on Rodgers' contract, even though GB offered him more money. If Carr is taking a bigger cap hit, that's more detrimental to the total cap, no?
Who says Carr's cap hits are larger though? You made a very lofty assumption without the details of his contract even being released. Carr himself is quoted today saying his cap # went down this year. It was originally going to be $19mil. $28mil > $19mil
Sporttrac had a guess, but it's posted now.

Carr's cap in 2022 is lower, but it's:

2022- 19.3 (went down from 19.77)
2023- 34.8mm
2024- 43.8mm
2025- 43.1mm

So it's higher in 2023 and 2024..not in 2025 which neither player may see.
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Hot Take: Derek Carr is a very good QB who gets blamed for the Raiders not being good despite never having a good coach, a good defense, or a top receiver at any point in his career.

The one year he had above-average talent around him - 2016 - they went 12-4 despite being coached by Jack Del Rio.
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uscbucsfan wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:47 pm
King Bootz wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:32 pm

Who says Carr's cap hits are larger though? You made a very lofty assumption without the details of his contract even being released. Carr himself is quoted today saying his cap # went down this year. It was originally going to be $19mil. $28mil > $19mil
Sporttrac had a guess, but it's posted now.

Carr's cap in 2022 is lower, but it's:

2022- 19.3 (went down from 19.77)
2023- 34.8mm
2024- 43.8mm
2025- 43.1mm

So it's higher in 2023 and 2024..not in 2025 which neither player may see.
Ergo, over the next 3 years Carr ($97.9mil) will NOT make more than Rodgers will($101.8mil).

If you look at the contract, Carr might not see more than 1 year of this deal depending on how 2022 goes. This is his only year guaranteed at signing. His 2023 salary doesn't guarantee until February 15th. If they cut him before that day, they save about $29mil. This is just a very pretty series of 1 year deals.
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Has a QB ever been more punished for playing hurt than Baker Mayfield?
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BJJ34 wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:22 am Has a QB ever been more punished for playing hurt than Baker Mayfield?
The issue is you can't tell the difference between when he's playing hurt and playing healthy.
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King Bootz wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:26 am
BJJ34 wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:22 am Has a QB ever been more punished for playing hurt than Baker Mayfield?
The issue is you can't tell the difference between when he's playing hurt and playing healthy.
+1.

He was better in 2020 (when he was "healthy") than he was in 2021, but he still wasn't great. He was largely carried to the playoffs by Chubb/Hunt and a good defense.

Let me put it another way...

QB1
62.4 % Completion
3563 Yards
27-7 TD/INT

QB2
62.7% Completion
3563 Yards
26-8 TD/INT

Baker is QB2 in 2020, his "breakout" year.
QB is Carson Wentz last year with the Colts, who shipped him out for pocket change despite still having to use this year's 1st rounder on him.

Then you throw in all of Baker's "noise"....Bleah.
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Kyler Murray's agent says he will absolutely not play for the Cardinals in 2022 unless he gets a new deal, and they've pulled their earlier offer off the table.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. It's almost impossible to imagine the Cardinals letting Murray go and starting over at quarterback. But there's no way he should be making Mahomes/Allen money at this point IMHO, and that seems to be what he's thinking.
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mdb1958 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:40 am So, how does this work?
XFL announces partnership with NFL Alumni Academy to scout, train potential players for XFL's 2023 season

If someone is in practice and returns 4 kickoffs for TD's, is he a free agent with choice to go after whatever NFL team wants him?

Does the NFL team have to give a bump of cash to the XFL team for giving him up?
I don't know but I'm all for it. If anyone can make the XFL work it's Dwayne Johnson. He's a shrewd businessman and has the right connections. It's going to be interesting to see how good of a product he can put out with the eventual goal being becoming a viable alternative to college.
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As far as the prospect visits list - it looks like Tom gave them a running back list to go thru.
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We are 31st in positional spending for the defensive line. In a little while we will find out if they want it that way.
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What do we got, one 4.3 guy on defense and maybe two on offense? Neal and Ryan are prolly blazing at 4.7/4.8.
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Did JPP go under the knife and get his shoulder worked on?
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BJJ34 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:39 pm Pete, where you work?

What a clueless tool. If being booed while making millions for being mediocre at your job is the worst thing you've ever gone through, you've had a charmed life.

Here's a thought for you, tool Baker: you couldn't begin to handle what the average cubicle worker has gone through in his or her life. Jackass.
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Tnbandwagoner wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:18 pm
BJJ34 wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:39 pm Pete, where you work?

What a clueless tool. If being booed while making millions for being mediocre at your job is the worst thing you've ever gone through, you've had a charmed life.

Here's a thought for you, tool Baker: you couldn't begin to handle what the average cubicle worker has gone through in his or her life. Jackass.
That just goes to show that even if you have talent, you can't cut it without mental toughness. Baker is about as mentally weak as it comes.
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King Bootz wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 5:49 pm
Tnbandwagoner wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 1:18 pm
What a clueless tool. If being booed while making millions for being mediocre at your job is the worst thing you've ever gone through, you've had a charmed life.

Here's a thought for you, tool Baker: you couldn't begin to handle what the average cubicle worker has gone through in his or her life. Jackass.
That just goes to show that even if you have talent, you can't cut it without mental toughness. Baker is about as mentally weak as it comes.
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11 days.
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Until?
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Primeminister wrote: Sun Apr 17, 2022 4:17 pmUntil?
The draft mi amigo.
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10 days until?

Curious to see if I hear Suh and JPP are in game ready shape.
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Please do not bring JPP back. We need youth/excitement at OLB.

I’m cool with bringing Suh back.

10 days to go you say. Lull of the year. Easter’s come and gone. Other playoffs taking shape… the NFL needs to steal the show again.
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May is the worse time of the season.

Though April is much more boring when you aren't picking top 10.
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Doctor wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:41 pm May is the worse time of the season.

Though April is much more boring when you aren't picking top 10.
I probably won't even be awake for our pick this year.
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Doctor wrote: Mon Apr 18, 2022 12:41 pm May is the worse time of the season.

Though April is much more boring when you aren't picking top 10.
I can see the league capitalizing and trying to make some big money moves after the draft.

The sunday ticket to apple rumors are heating up too. Just read a report that it was for 2.5 billion a year.
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Damn...24 YO with 100M guaranteed over the life of your contract...not a bad gig.
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