Bucs vs Bills Discussion

[Doooshnzl]

Here is my point if I can distill it down to a few bullets:

* The Bills have a fantastic defense and particularly a fantastic Pass Defense. Its not a fluke and its not a product of how crap the offenses they've played are. Their tape shows it, they have a great coach who wins at the play-call level consistently, and their back 7 personnel is impeccable in coverage. What they do is not complicated or byzantine. They do what they do (but with sufficient variation and nuance and tendency-breaking to not be predictable) and they do it extremely well.

* The Bucs have a fantastic offense and particularly a fantastic Pass Offense. Its not a fluke and they've done this DESPITE playing the toughest schedule in the league (BY FAR) in terms of both defense generally and Pass defense specifically.


These two realities do absolutely no work when you try to instantiate the collision of these two teams (and their attendant rankings). You can look at their tape (I did and that is the basis for what I wrote in this thread) and try to predict how some of those collisions might manifest on Sunday and how they may be realized in terms of outcomes.

We're going to have to win w/ Gronk and Godwin between the hashes and intermediate (particularly off play-action) and by either calling perimeter Screens when they're in Off/Bail Zone or checking to it in key situations. And we're going to have to run the ball efficiently and be willing to go for it on 4th and short from their 40+ (and trust our defense to make plays against Allen if we don't convert).

If we had Brown, Buffalo would be in trouble. He is unguardable and he specifically exploits the areas that their defense can be had. But we don't have him and we aren't getting over top of them (if we do...huzzah...but don't expect it). We need Gronk and Godwin and Fournette to force missed tackles and we need to be efficient on the ground (maybe Jones gets 10 functional carries this game?).

Personally, I just don't trust our defense against this exact kind of QB. The Allens of the world give us all kinds of trouble for various reasons (we have a tendency to lose rush lane integrity and not get to them when we call Man and they escape and, for whatever reason, our Spies do a terrible job of consistently winning.

So I think we need 23+ to win this game. I expect them to put 3 TDs against us.

Huzzah? Really?

[BLT]

You do realize that no one said top players, or season ending correct?

It said longest.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

Longest you say?

Dude no offense but....
























































































































































































Get a fucking life.

[King Bootz]

Longest you say?

Dude no offense but....


Get a fucking life.

And you get a fucking Kleenex with all of this bitching and whining over inaccurate information you pulled out from your ass. Don't get upset because you were called out and made to look like a fool and a whiny bitch by multiple people

[mdb1958]

A substantial TOP wins this game for the Bucs.

[King Bootz]

[Buccabeer]

Jensen is huge for the OL, physical guy who sets the "Bad Ass" tone. I hope he can go, but if he's not 100% or real close to it, don't risk getting Tom beat up, next man up I guess.

[BLT]

Dude no offense but....


Get a fucking life.

And you get a fucking Kleenex with all of this bitching and whining over inaccurate information you pulled out from your ass. Don't get upset because you were called out and made to look like a fool and a whiny bitch by multiple people

Lol I think you have me confused with someone else

Also check your emotional fortitude

[MJW]

Jensen is huge for the OL, physical guy who sets the "Bad Ass" tone. I hope he can go, but if he's not 100% or real close to it, don't risk getting Tom beat up, next man up I guess.

A small comfort, but it doesn't sound like Star Lotulelei will go either. He's not a star but he's a starter and a very solid player. And Ed Oliver just popped up on their injury report, too.

[Dread]

I think Poyer/Hyde are a heck of a safety combo and they're a well coached defense.

But I still like Mike Evans/Chris Godwin vs Levi Wallace/Dane Jackson. Especially when Tom Brady is the QB with the way our Oline has pass protected.

Playing at home too.

If they play a soft box I'm all for running Lenny/Rojo. Just saying that there are match ups in the passing game we should feel confident about if either safety gets too close to the box.

[mdb1958]

Last year around this time the o-line started being real physical. I remember saying damn where did this run blocking come from.

[Nano]

Jensen is practicing today. Jamal Dean and Jaelen Darden are both fully practicing in full-contact jerseys and could both be cleared soon.

Only one ruled out was Whitehead.

[Doooshnzl]

Jensen is practicing today. Jamal Dean and Jaelen Darden are both fully practicing in full-contact jerseys and could both be cleared soon.

Only one ruled out was Whitehead.

Gonna get ugly for the Bills.

[King Bootz]

[Snake]

How good is Ed Oliver? Hyped prospect.

[Kress]

Darden must have had a hell of a concussion.

[mdb1958]

I think Poyer/Hyde are a heck of a safety combo and they're a well coached defense.

But I still like Mike Evans/Chris Godwin vs Levi Wallace/Dane Jackson. Especially when Tom Brady is the QB with the way our Oline has pass protected.

Playing at home too.

If they play a soft box I'm all for running Lenny/Rojo. Just saying that there are match ups in the passing game we should feel confident about if either safety gets too close to the box.

All of Buffalo's DB's are late round or undrafted.

[mdb1958]

Last three games we have given up 7 total points in the 2nd half!

[Nano]

Jamal Dean and Jaelen Darden have both cleared concussion protocol and will play tomorrow.

[mdb1958]

Hey Bruce, might I suggest you and Byron dial up a couple running plays where you smack Matt Milano right in the mouth.


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[mdb1958]

I want the whole of Tampa Bay's defense to recognize how smart it was for Desir to punch that football out for a fumble.

Go get them turnovers boy's.