**Bears @ Bucs Discussion**

[nybf]

When was the last time we beat these guys? That week 2 game after getting a hurricane bye in week 1? They started Mike Glennon.

Think they’ve taken 3 in a row since.

Week 1 2017.

Which was actually Week 2.

[acmillis]

When was the last time we beat these guys? That week 2 game after getting a hurricane bye in week 1? They started Mike Glennon.

Think they’ve taken 3 in a row since.

https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/ch ... eam?opp=30

[King Bootz]

Week 1 2017.

Which was actually Week 2.

Oh yea! That's the year we lost our bye week along with the Dolphins. Such bullshit that year

[Dread]

When was the last time we beat these guys? That week 2 game after getting a hurricane bye in week 1? They started Mike Glennon.

Think they’ve taken 3 in a row since.

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We beat them in the Glennon game you mention in w2 of 2017

Then they destroyed us in the Mitch Trubisky game when Jamiss returned from suspension in 2018.

They they won the 20-19 game last year.

I think the Bucs put a hurtin on them this time. Their offense isn't good and their defensive secondary is very suspect to the point they play light box upfront so they can play soft coverage. Thus teams are running on them despite having good front 7 personnel. They aren't even good against the pass either. Much like Philly they play a ton of quarters and C3 soft zone coverage to protect their secondary.

If they can't pressure Brady with their front 4 (potentially without Quinn) they are in for a long day.

Bears have some parallels from the Eagles in terms of a young mobile QB that isn't very polished as a passer along with a defense that plays a similar scheme. So playing those two opponents consecutively is advantageous for the Bucs imo.

Plus there is the revenge factor from last year. Bucs will remember how sloppy that game was last season and hopefully want to atone for that performance.

Plus it's in RayJay.

[BLT]

Yeah, it’s gonna be a blowout.

[Nano]

Week 7 rankings by PFF, now in table format.

Offense

Player	Position Rank	Grade
Tom Brady	1/33	92.3
Leonard Fournette	22/59	72.1
Antonio Brown	3/110	87.4
Chris Godwin	27/110	73.8
Mike Evans	47/110	69.6
OJ Howard	56/72	53.5
Rob Gronkowski	7/72	78.2
Ryan Jensen	11/35	68.0
Alex Cappa	37/76	64.8
Ali Marpet	7/76	80.9
Tristan Wirfs	15/79	74.0
Donovan Smith	7/79	78.2

Defense

Player	Position Rank	Grade
Ross Cockrell	31/118	69.2
Jamal Dean	20/118	72.5
Carlton Davis	16/118	73.9
Richard Sherman	97/118	50.5
Mike Edwards	26/86	67.0
Jordan Whitehead	42/86	62.7
Antoine Winfield Jr	27/86	66.9
Devin White	65/83	44.6
Lavonte David	20/83	64.9
Steve McLendon	100/122	49.7
Ndamukong Suh	95/122	51.1
Rakeem Nunez-Roches	50/122	63.7
Vita Vea	23/122	73.0
William Gholston	24/122	72.9
Shaquil Barrett	16/105	79.7
Jason Pierre-Paul	103/105	46.2
Joe Tryon-Shoyinka	78/105	60.4

STs

Player	Position Rank	Grade
Ryan Succop	N/A	63.4
Bradley Pinion	19/31	61.3

[King Bootz]

Maybe PFF has tweaked their formula. Maybe not. We'll never know. But that said, these grades seem to somewhat pass the eye test.

[ATrain]

Sounding like we'll be without AB this weekend. That sucks.

[kaimaru]

The Bears defense is a matchup nightmare for this offense. Also, with the secondary banged up, expect Fields to test this team early and often. If he starts hitting his marks downfield, things could get ugly fast.

He has yet to pass for 200 yards in a game. I sincerely doubt that is going to happen. There is a reason Nagy doesn't want to take his toy fully out of the box yet.

[kaimaru]

Is this one of those games people like to call a "trap game"? I feel like at least 1 person has called each of our last 3 games a trap game.

There are no "trap games' in Tom Brady's Tampa, I don't think. There are games we have to play our best to win, and games where we can still win if we don't play our best.

As for this specific game, this is a team that beat us last year in a game where Brady embarrassed himself by forgetting the down.

They're also an inferior opponent playing a rookie quarterback.

This should be a "cleat on neck" game. Should be.

I agree. The only two games Fields one were games where they ran 188+ yards each game. Good luck doing that on us.

[kaimaru]

D White needs to step it up this game and be responsible for Fields and the RBs . I think White is fixin to open a can of whoop ass in fields .

Arians has said that Tryon-Shoyinka will be spying Fields.

[mdb1958]

D White needs to step it up this game and be responsible for Fields and the RBs . I think White is fixin to open a can of whoop ass in fields .

Arians has said that Tryon-Shoyinka will be spying Fields.

Does the modern NFL pre-announce the game plans now? That's brilliant and I'm sure it helps New York on the quick calling.

[King Bootz]

D White needs to step it up this game and be responsible for Fields and the RBs . I think White is fixin to open a can of whoop ass in fields .

Arians has said that Tryon-Shoyinka will be spying Fields.

Arians announced a very important part of the defensive game plan prior to the game? Show me the tape!

[King Bootz]

Arians has said that Tryon-Shoyinka will be spying Fields.

Does the modern NFL pre-announce the game plans now? That's brilliant and I'm sure it helps New York on the quick calling.

No, they don't. But @kaimaru made a claim. I'd love to hear this stupidity from Arians if he really said it at all.

[kaimaru]

CTE is the scariest thing in humankind.

You obviously haven't seen a recent picture of Sammy Sosa.

[kaimaru]

Week 7 rankings by PFF, now in table format.

Offense

Player	Position Rank	Grade
Tom Brady	1/33	92.3
Leonard Fournette	22/59	72.1
Antonio Brown	3/110	87.4
Chris Godwin	27/110	73.8
Mike Evans	47/110	69.6
OJ Howard	56/72	53.5
Rob Gronkowski	7/72	78.2
Ryan Jensen	11/35	68.0
Alex Cappa	37/76	64.8
Ali Marpet	7/76	80.9
Tristan Wirfs	15/79	74.0
Donovan Smith	7/79	78.2

Defense

Player	Position Rank	Grade
Ross Cockrell	31/118	69.2
Jamal Dean	20/118	72.5
Carlton Davis	16/118	73.9
Richard Sherman	97/118	50.5
Mike Edwards	26/86	67.0
Jordan Whitehead	42/86	62.7
Antoine Winfield Jr	27/86	66.9
Devin White	65/83	44.6
Lavonte David	20/83	64.9
Steve McLendon	100/122	49.7
Ndamukong Suh	95/122	51.1
Rakeem Nunez-Roches	50/122	63.7
Vita Vea	23/122	73.0
William Gholston	24/122	72.9
Shaquil Barrett	16/105	79.7
Jason Pierre-Paul	103/105	46.2
Joe Tryon-Shoyinka	78/105	60.4

STs

Player	Position Rank	Grade
Ryan Succop	N/A	63.4
Bradley Pinion	19/31	61.3

Wait, we have 3 CBs rated top 32, and 69.2 is the grade for a #2 CB. How in the world did PFF think there are 87 corners worse than Cockrell?

[kaimaru]

Does the modern NFL pre-announce the game plans now? That's brilliant and I'm sure it helps New York on the quick calling.

No, they don't. But @kaimaru made a claim. I'd love to hear this stupidity from Arians if he really said it at all.

Arians also said Darden would be the returner of punts and kickoffs this week.

Joebucsfan

“Joe’s learning how to play a spy,” Arians said with some excitement in his voice. “We’ve got a bunch of athletic quarterbacks coming up [on the schedule] and with his athleticism and speed he’s a great spy guy. Plus he’s so tall he can jump up, and he can chase them. It’s a nice package to have Shap, JPP and Joe all in the game at the same time.” - Joebucsfan

[kaimaru]

Also, is it common for someone still in concussion protocol to be listed as full participant at practice?

[King Bootz]

No, they don't. But @kaimaru made a claim. I'd love to hear this stupidity from Arians if he really said it at all.

Arians also said Darden would be the returner of punts and kickoffs this week.

Joebucsfan

“Joe’s learning how to play a spy,” Arians said with some excitement in his voice. “We’ve got a bunch of athletic quarterbacks coming up [on the schedule] and with his athleticism and speed he’s a great spy guy. Plus he’s so tall he can jump up, and he can chase them. It’s a nice package to have Shap, JPP and Joe all in the game at the same time.” - Joebucsfan

Okay, that's not the same as saying he's spying Fields. You had me worried that Arians was losing it.

All this means is he's working on this part of his game. A lot goes into spying mobile QBs. JTS won't be exclusively spying on Fields. But it will be part of his responsibilities as the season progresses and we play mobile QBs.

[King Bootz]

Also, is it common for someone still in concussion protocol to be listed as full participant at practice?

Yes. Most NFL practices in-season are glorified walk-throughs with minimal contact. What it means is he hasn't been evaluated by the independent neurologist quite yet or he has and has yet to pass the protocol tests. I believe there is a tweet about this.

Edit: Here's the tweet.

[kaimaru]

Yes, Winfield is finally out of the concussion protocol.

"Speaking on SiriusXM NFL Radio today, Arians announced that safety Antoine Winfield, Jr., has cleared the NFL concussion protocol and is ready to play Sunday against the Bears." Joebucs again

[Jason Bourne]

Arians also said Darden would be the returner of punts and kickoffs this week.

Joebucsfan

“Joe’s learning how to play a spy,” Arians said with some excitement in his voice. “We’ve got a bunch of athletic quarterbacks coming up [on the schedule] and with his athleticism and speed he’s a great spy guy. Plus he’s so tall he can jump up, and he can chase them. It’s a nice package to have Shap, JPP and Joe all in the game at the same time.” - Joebucsfan

Okay, that's not the same as saying he's spying Fields. You had me worried that Arians was losing it.

All this means is he's working on this part of his game. A lot goes into spying mobile QBs. JTS won't be exclusively spying on Fields. But it will be part of his responsibilities as the season progresses and we play mobile QBs.

Also JTS only plays about 30% of the time, obviously they would mix up the spy coverages. White is much faster

[mdb1958]

No, they don't. But @kaimaru made a claim. I'd love to hear this stupidity from Arians if he really said it at all.

Arians also said Darden would be the returner of punts and kickoffs this week.

Joebucsfan

“Joe’s learning how to play a spy,” Arians said with some excitement in his voice. “We’ve got a bunch of athletic quarterbacks coming up [on the schedule] and with his athleticism and speed he’s a great spy guy. Plus he’s so tall he can jump up, and he can chase them. It’s a nice package to have Shap, JPP and Joe all in the game at the same time.” - Joebucsfan

It's just Bruce feeding the Bears with something to think about.

[mdb1958]

I hope Johnson gets 5/6 catches. Even the little fella should get a couple.

[Snake]

Spread seems right to me. Get a couple TD lead early and let Fields chase Brady. Take away the run per the usual.

The comfort with Brady behind the wheel is incredible. Penciling in W’ssssss

[AJPG]

Hasn't BA said that just about every injured player?

[MJW]

Sounds like Akiem Hicks and Khalil Mack will join Robert Quinn in street clothes.

We should kill this team.

[Grahamburn]

Sounds like Akiem Hicks and Khalil Mack will join Robert Quinn in street clothes.

We should kill this team.

Wait. Wut?

[Grahamburn]

Sounds like maintenance to me. They were both DNP leading up to the Packers game as well. Both played.

[MJW]

Sounds like maintenance to me. They were both DNP leading up to the Packers game as well. Both played.

Sounds more serious than just maintenance to me.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2021 ... r-watching

[Jason Bourne]

I really think they are gonna try and run the ball on us… and fail

[Defense5599]

The Bucs are hurting. In addition to the guys above, OJ Howard was limited in practice yesterday. Antonio Brown did not practice.

[King Bootz]

Yea it looks like both teams will be rolling out some backups. We already knew Gronk, LVD & Sherm would be out. But OJ & AB are also major questionmarks. AB hasn't even practiced this week. Bears have multiple key guys hurt.

At least we get AWJ back but man. Injuries are definitely a thing for this years Bucs team.

[ATrain]

Injuries or not we should still win this game. We have the better QB and are better in damn near every other area. We may not dismantle the Bears like we would if Brown and OJ played, but we should still be in control from whistle to whistle.

[BJJ34]

6-1? 5-2? I like 6-1 way better going into the Saints.

Evans should get his. They ran the ball well last week against GB, people abandon the run against us.

If you said we were going to be 6-1/5-2 with the top two corners on IR in preseason, would you believe yourself?