With the 19th pick in the NFL draft the Buccaneers select…

[Grahamburn]

If you think that is the injury is bad bad, sure. Take him off your board. Heart breaking but injuries ruin players all the time.

But if not, and you think he's legit, "missing week 1 of this rookie year" is a dumb reason to pass on a franchise player. Other dumb reason is people just devalue off ball LBs, I disagree.

There are a lot of players available. Why do you think he’s specifically a franchise player? There are iLBs we could target in each round that could play in 2026 without using #19 to redshirt Campbell.

[Snake]

A torn labrum is not a dumb reason, and the guy has plenty of issues even if healthy.

Depends which labrum. Shoulder? No big deal for a non-quarterback. Hip? Yeah, that’s a big deal.

[Grahamburn]

A torn labrum is not a dumb reason, and the guy has plenty of issues even if healthy.

Depends which labrum. Shoulder? No big deal for a non-quarterback. Hip? Yeah, that’s a big deal.

It’s his shoulder. He’s a linebacker. Not a big deal? Ok.

[mdb1958]

The big deal is Bama players havnt done anything for us cept maybe Charley Hannah in 1977 forty 48 years ago.

[Snake]

Depends which labrum. Shoulder? No big deal for a non-quarterback. Hip? Yeah, that’s a big deal.

It’s his shoulder. He’s a linebacker. Not a big deal? Ok.

They reattach the labrum via anchors into the bone. I had a surgeon tell me it would take “an act of God” to detach the labrum after that again. The rehab is super important. Range of motion is typically lost, especially if the surgeon grabs some shoulder capsule and really tightens the reconstructed shoulder into place. But good rehab will get it back.

No injury is good, obviously. No surgery is good. But this corrects a structural issue and 100% recovery should be possible.

[mdb1958]

Shoulder capsule - as in that knotty part around your collar bone? That's what they wanted to do to me. Cut a chunk off and screw it into my armpit.

[Cheb]

If you think that is the injury is bad bad, sure. Take him off your board. Heart breaking but injuries ruin players all the time.

But if not, and you think he's legit, "missing week 1 of this rookie year" is a dumb reason to pass on a franchise player. Other dumb reason is people just devalue off ball LBs, I disagree.

From what I understand, Campbell's injury is not just a "miss week one" kinda injury, it's a "not gonna be able to practice till October" sorta thing. So he'd be missing rookie camps, practices, games, and everything for the first few months. Then what, a few weeks to get into game shape, maybe play some situational reps on a pitch count? So when is he actually be starting and finishing games? December. That's a defacto redshirt season.

This team is a playoff team and has been for some time. We are looking to get over the hump and push deeper into the playoffs. Fuck's sake, we are trying to win a Superbowl. Using our first pick in the draft for a player whose rookie season is a wash is a bad use of finite resources. We need to add rookie defenders who can contribute meaningful snaps, force takeaways, and improve a porous unit. Jihaad Campbell can't do any of that in the trainer's room or sitting on the bench in street clothes.

I didn't like Campbell as a prospect before his injury, and I like him even less now.

[Doctor]

I don't care if he misses the whole year. I don't care if he is healthy and doesn't play a snap, learning for two years. This idea that that's no longer allowed in the modern NFL is false.

If he's a 15 year LVD, I'll eat a redshirt rookie year all day.

[__Chef__]

I don't care if he misses the whole year. I don't care if he is healthy and doesn't play a snap, learning for two years. This idea that that's no longer allowed in the modern NFL is false.

If he's a 15 year LVD, I'll eat a redshirt rookie year all day.

Cheb's message at the end got to the heart of it.

If he were a consensus can't miss LVD replacement prospect, I think more would be onboard with your long-term view. Given the number of holes to plug, I hope someone is available which causes Licht's phone to ring, offering us more chances to plug those holes ... or better yet, trade for a known quality hole plugger or two. We've had far too many Halls, Britts, and JTS's and far too few LVDs which is why we're back here again looking to plug far too many holes.

[mdb1958]

I don't care if he misses the whole year. I don't care if he is healthy and doesn't play a snap, learning for two years. This idea that that's no longer allowed in the modern NFL is false.

If he's a 15 year LVD, I'll eat a redshirt rookie year all day.

Why not pick from a pile of LB's next year?

[Doctor]

LVD wasn't a consensus LVD.

[__Chef__]

LVD wasn't a consensus LVD.

True. He also wasn't a 1st rounder with an injury.

[Grahamburn]

I don't care if he misses the whole year. I don't care if he is healthy and doesn't play a snap, learning for two years. This idea that that's no longer allowed in the modern NFL is false.

If he's a 15 year LVD, I'll eat a redshirt rookie year all day.

Do you have a tiered "big board" of who you'd prefer at the pick? Jihaad is pretty far down my list at this point. It's one thing to justify it if he's the selection and another completely to prefer him over other players that can contribute immediately and have a greater impact on wins.

[Doctor]

I do. Was about to put it out. Maybe I'll make a draft week thread to get it rolling here in TD.

[Grahamburn]

I do. Was about to put it out. Maybe I'll make a draft week thread to get it rolling here in TD.

I wanted to do a "call your shot" thread too of who we want and also who we think they're going to select.

[Backside]

I can’t make sense of thinking the Bucs have a window to win a SB right now, but also not caring if our top draft pick doesn’t play for two years. That doesn’t seem like sound strategy.

[Grahamburn]

I can’t make sense of thinking the Bucs have a window to win a SB right now, but also not caring if our top draft pick doesn’t play for two years. That doesn’t seem like sound strategy.

"If he's LVD"

[BucsNBills]

My predictive pick of what the Bucs will actually do at 19 is drafting Donovan Ezeiruaku.

[Grahamburn]

My predictive pick of what the Bucs will actually do at 19 is drafting Donovan Ezeiruaku.

Yeah, I think it's him or Starks. If they think they can get Watts in round 2 could be DE. Going to have to learn how to spell his name without looking it up.

[Babeinbucland]

I do. Was about to put it out. Maybe I'll make a draft week thread to get it rolling here in TD.

Or have it moved to the actual draft thread lol

[GoldenBudda]

My $.02 I don't think Jihad Campbell will be drafted in the first round. The injury on top of weak positional value really hurts him. We don't have the luxury of picking a player who may not play his rookie year.

Carson Schwesinger would be the first ILB I would target. I believe he will be the best of the bunch.

[Doctor]

Very possible.

[BucsNBills]

I would certainly accept drafting DEze in the 1st and then snatching up Campbell in the 2nd if he falls.

[Babeinbucland]

Some of y’all aren’t going to like this but if Jalon Walker is still on the board at 19 (IF we don’t trade down) I have it on good authority that the Bucs are going to snag him

[Babeinbucland]

My $.02 I don't think Jihad Campbell will be drafted in the first round.

If we trade back I don’t even want him in the second round. We have enough players that go on IR during the season so I want players alllll players that can play on day one of training camp. Full stop.

[__Chef__]

My $.02 I don't think Jihad Campbell will be drafted in the first round.

If we trade back I don’t even want him in the second round. We have enough players that go on IR during the season so I want players alllll players that can play on day one of training camp. Full stop.

Agreed ... best ability is availability. Given the injury plagued rosters we've had recently, we can't afford to add more maybe babies... not now.

[Terry Tate]

I can’t make sense of thinking the Bucs have a window to win a SB right now, but also not caring if our top draft pick doesn’t play for two years. That doesn’t seem like sound strategy.

We had a Tom Brady led title window and they drafted a QB in the second that has yet to see the field for more than a handful of snaps. I like the Licht drafts overall but he occasionally gets into the scotch a little early on draft day

[__Chef__]

I can’t make sense of thinking the Bucs have a window to win a SB right now, but also not caring if our top draft pick doesn’t play for two years. That doesn’t seem like sound strategy.

We had a Tom Brady led title window and they drafted a QB in the second that has yet to see the field for more than a handful of snaps. I like the Licht drafts overall but he occasionally gets into the scotch a little early on draft day

Occasionally?

He's had hits for sure, but his misses have been doozies ... trading up for a kicker in the 2nd round who ended the year as the worst kicker in the league and never returned? Hargreaves 11th overall, released 3 years later. Noah Spence out 3 years later, ASJ out 3 years later, OJ Howard, JTS, Winston, Hall, MJ Stewart, Trask ... yeah, Licht has had his moments ... I'd say more often than occasionally, he's clunked the upright pretty bad.

[mdb1958]

My $.02 I don't think Jihad Campbell will be drafted in the first round. The injury on top of weak positional value really hurts him. We don't have the luxury of picking a player who may not play his rookie year.

Carson Schwesinger would be the first ILB I would target. I believe he will be the best of the bunch.

Do you think he will be around for our 2nd pick because he didnt run the forty?

[Doctor]

"Why draft Trask, we're going to get Baker in FA in a few years?"

[Grahamburn]

We had a Tom Brady led title window and they drafted a QB in the second that has yet to see the field for more than a handful of snaps. I like the Licht drafts overall but he occasionally gets into the scotch a little early on draft day

Occasionally?

He's had hits for sure, but his misses have been doozies ... trading up for a kicker in the 2nd round who ended the year as the worst kicker in the league and never returned? Hargreaves 11th overall, released 3 years later. Noah Spence out 3 years later, ASJ out 3 years later, OJ Howard, JTS, Winston, Hall, MJ Stewart, Trask ... yeah, Licht has had his moments ... I'd say more often than occasionally, he's clunked the upright pretty bad.

Since Licht has been here (2014) the Bucs have more snaps and more games played from players drafted in rounds 1-5 than any team in the league.

All GMs have “clunkers.” Licht’s record is remarkable though in comparison.

[Doctor]

Some people have Madden franchise mode level of expectations of their GM.

[Cheb]

My $.02 I don't think Jihad Campbell will be drafted in the first round.

If we trade back I don’t even want him in the second round. We have enough players that go on IR during the season so I want players alllll players that can play on day one of training camp. Full stop.

Depending on how the board looks, I'd agree.

Which move in the second round would make our team better; letting Jihaad Campbell have a redshirt season and hope he turns out okay, or drafting a guy like Xavier Watts who is a ballhawking safety and likely day one starter to play a shitton of snaps next to AWJ?

I know my answer.

[Babeinbucland]

Exactly.

[Grahamburn]

If we trade back I don’t even want him in the second round. We have enough players that go on IR during the season so I want players alllll players that can play on day one of training camp. Full stop.

Depending on how the board looks, I'd agree.

Which move in the second round would make our team better; letting Jihaad Campbell have a redshirt season and hope he turns out okay, or drafting a guy like Xavier Watts who is a ballhawking safety and likely day one starter to play a shitton of snaps next to AWJ?

I know my answer.

If I’m doing a “redshirt” year on a guy I’d go with Revel. Is #19 too rich? Feels like he’d have been a top 15 guy without the ACL. Watts round 2 would be excellent.

No clue how it falls though. Starks/Emmanwori round 1 and you might be able to get Revel/Amos/Thomas round 2.