Baker Mayfield: PAID

[Phantom]

You are right , but though it doesn't happen often

More often than you think. Matter of fact, you've had it several times since they went to expanded playoffs

1990- Giants Jeff Hostetler
1991- Redskins Mark Rypien
2000- Ravens Trent Dilfer
2002 Bucs Brad Johnson
2007 Giants Eli Manning
2011 Giants Eli Manning
2012 Ravens Joe Flacco
2017 Eagles Nick Foles

Ah, how could I forget about Eli Manning. Giants defense was damn good in both seasons. Jeff Hostetler too

[Bootz]

You are right , but though it doesn't happen often

More often than you think. Matter of fact, you've had it several times since they went to expanded playoffs

1990- Giants Jeff Hostetler
1991- Redskins Mark Rypien
2000- Ravens Trent Dilfer
2002 Bucs Brad Johnson
2007 Giants Eli Manning
2011 Giants Eli Manning
2012 Ravens Joe Flacco
2017 Eagles Nick Foles

You forgot arguably the worst of all time. 2015 Broncos with Peyton Manning.

[Sdbucs]

Those teams listed all had elite defenses. You either need an elite qb or an elite defense (defensive line really) to win the superbowl

Also, is Eli considered average in retrospect?

[Phantom]

Those teams listed all had elite defenses. You either need an elite qb or an elite defense (defensive line really) to win the superbowl

Exactly! Thank you.

[BuccaNOLEer]

Those teams listed all had elite defenses. You either need an elite qb or an elite defense (defensive line really) to win the superbowl

Also, is Eli considered average in retrospect?

Damn right he is. The Giants were wild card teams both times he won the Super Bowl.

You forgot arguably the worst of all time. 2015 Broncos with Peyton Manning.

Peyton was elite. He was simply washed up by the time he won his last one. At least he got to go out a champion, which few legends do.

[Bootz]

Those teams listed all had elite defenses. You either need an elite qb or an elite defense (defensive line really) to win the superbowl

Also, is Eli considered average in retrospect?

Damn right he is. The Giants were wild card teams both times he won the Super Bowl.

You forgot arguably the worst of all time. 2015 Broncos with Peyton Manning.

Peyton was elite. He was simply washed up by the time he won his last one. At least he got to go out a champion, which few legends do.

2015 Peyton Manning was not elite at all. You mentioned individual years so I'd assume you meant the QBs specific performance in that given year.

[Doctor]

Percentage is much better when you account for repeats. And while I'd love a dynasty, the goal is still a Super Bowl.

[Bootz]

[BuccaNOLEer]

Damn right he is. The Giants were wild card teams both times he won the Super Bowl.



Peyton was elite. He was simply washed up by the time he won his last one. At least he got to go out a champion, which few legends do.

2015 Peyton Manning was not elite at all. You mentioned individual years so I'd assume you meant the QBs specific performance in that given year.

Nah, their overall body of work is what I'm looking at.

[Grahamburn]

Stay humble, Baker.

[uscbucsfan1]

I've seen 2 things today that say they expect the Baker Mayfield contract to be over 40mm per year.

[Grahamburn]

I've seen 2 things today that say they expect the Baker Mayfield contract to be over 40mm per year.

His agent just has to say, “Daniel Jones.”

[CannonFire]

I've seen 2 things today that say they expect the Baker Mayfield contract to be over 40mm per year.

His agent just has to say, “Daniel Jones.”

The only acceptable response to that is, "Yeah, that dude is vastly over paid, huh?"

[GreatTimes]

His agent just has to say, “Daniel Jones.”

The only acceptable response to that is, "Yeah, that dude is vastly over paid, huh?"

The difference is that the Giants thought that Jones would only improve as his career went on. The Bucs know what they have in Mayfield. Last season was the best of Baker's career and he basically graded out as a middle of the pack QB in the NFL. When you factor in that the Bucs had the 6th easiest schedule in the NFL you have to wonder just how good Baker really is. Especially when he had Evans and Goodwin as WR's. How many games did the Bucs have where they want into halftime with a big lead? How did Baker look the last 2 regular games? The Bucs only scored 9 points against the worst team in the NFL. If 2 Panther's TD's had not been called back because of penalties, the Bucs would have finished the regular season at 8-9 and out of the playoffs. But I fully expect the Bucs to overpay for Mayfield just like the Giants did with Jones and other teams have done for overrated QB's.

[kaimaru]

23% of the time going back 34 years.

And another 23% were Brady, what's your point?

[GreatTimes]

Damn right he is. The Giants were wild card teams both times he won the Super Bowl.



Peyton was elite. He was simply washed up by the time he won his last one. At least he got to go out a champion, which few legends do.

2015 Peyton Manning was not elite at all. You mentioned individual years so I'd assume you meant the QBs specific performance in that given year.

Payton at his worst was still better than Baker at his best.

[Snake]

23% of the time going back 34 years.

And another 23% were Brady, what's your point?

Having a great QB paired with a great coach gives you the best chance entering every season.

[CannonFire]

The only acceptable response to that is, "Yeah, that dude is vastly over paid, huh?"

The difference is that the Giants thought that Jones would only improve as his career went on. The Bucs know what they have in Mayfield. Last season was the best of Baker's career and he basically graded out as a middle of the pack QB in the NFL. When you factor in that the Bucs had the 6th easiest schedule in the NFL you have to wonder just how good Baker really is. Especially when he had Evans and Goodwin as WR's. How many games did the Bucs have where they want into halftime with a big lead? How did Baker look the last 2 regular games? The Bucs only scored 9 points against the worst team in the NFL. If 2 Panther's TD's had not been called back because of penalties, the Bucs would have finished the regular season at 8-9 and out of the playoffs. But I fully expect the Bucs to overpay for Mayfield just like the Giants did with Jones and other teams have done for overrated QB's.

You have more faith in the Bucs than I do. I'm not so sure they "know what they have" in Mayfield. If there's rumbles about $40M for Mayfield, they clearly don't know what they have in Mayfield. You and I may be on the same page, but I'm not so sure they are. I'm not very optimistic.

[kaimaru]

2015 Peyton Manning was not elite at all. You mentioned individual years so I'd assume you meant the QBs specific performance in that given year.

Payton at his worst was still better than Baker at his best.

No, no he wasn't. He had no business playing in a Super Bowl. He made Big Ben's last years look like prime Brees. It was looking a dog with a broken leg. You felt sorry for him every time he got hit and every time he tried to pass more than 10 yards upfield. Calling him a shell of himself would be a compliment

[Phantom]

Payton at his worst was still better than Baker at his best.

No, no he wasn't. He had no business playing in a Super Bowl. He made Big Ben's last years look like prime Brees. It was looking a dog with a broken leg. You felt sorry for him every time he got hit and every time he tried to pass more than 10 yards upfield. Calling him a shell of himself would be a compliment

I recalled Peyton Manning was benched in favor of Brock Osweiler. lol

[Miller4Prez64]

Ngl, hearing Baker is expecting 40M and Evans 30M is tough whether they deserve it or not. Especially when there’s also AWJ who probably should get top priority for getting paid.

[Phantom]

1.AWJ
2.Evans
3.Bakers

[Snake]

Winfield and Evans must be retained.

[kaimaru]

Winfield and Evans must be retained.

Let me ask you, what if he asked "who is going to be the QB?" and the Bucs say.....Trask? And he laughs and goes somewhere else. Would you rather lose Evans or keep both?

[Deja Entendu]

I’ll be honest I don’t really care what they pay Mayfield. They can work the cap; every team does it, and Licht does it impressively well. I do prefer there’s some sort of out if it doesn’t work out though.

So perhaps the Bucs do have some leverage. We hired a coach that he’s familiar with and Baker just got to see what a year in a familiar/QB friendly offense does for him.

Also, realistically what’s the market for Baker? Teams that unequivocally NEED a starting QB next year and aren’t in a position to draft one of the premier ones in this class are limited.

Atlanta - they’re outside the top-top prospect zone, but still have a top 10 pick.

Minnesota — Only if they don’t want to pay Cousins, and if they don’t do they want to pay Mayfield more than we would?

Denver - this is realistic, but they’re probably eating a lot for Wilson and prefer to draft someone at 12 to overpaying Baker.

Oakland: At 13 they still do have a shot in a deep QB class.

Pittsburgh - I think the first real threat so far.

And I guess…

Tennessee - maybe. If they don’t think Levis is the answer… either way it’d be a competition at best for Baker.

So that’s 6 potential suitors, which is more realistically 2: Tampa or Pittsburgh. Oakland and Denver as dark horses, but I see them going with a rookie first.

[Deja Entendu]

As for being able to win with Baker, he just showed us we can. Of all of the problems this year, even at his worst he was pretty far down the list and at his best the dude BALLED.

He led us to a top 8 spot, and despite the last INT, the loss wasn’t on him. The “you need an elite QB” argument is skewed by Brady and Mahomes. Outside of Brady and Mahomes the SB QBs the last decade have been:

Purdy
Hurts
Stafford
Burrow
Goff
Foles
Ryan
Newton
A handicapped Manning
Wilson x2

That’s not an elite group.

[real bucs fan]

Worst case, we tag him at 35M for 2024 and we run it back.

And this is why I think he’ll cost less than that. Both sides likely want some term.

[Snake]

As for being able to win with Baker, he just showed us we can. Of all of the problems this year, even at his worst he was pretty far down the list and at his best the dude BALLED.

He led us to a top 8 spot, and despite the last INT, the loss wasn’t on him. The “you need an elite QB” argument is skewed by Brady and Mahomes. Outside of Brady and Mahomes the SB QBs the last decade have been:

Purdy
Hurts
Stafford
Burrow
Goff
Foles
Ryan
Newton
A handicapped Manning
Wilson x2

That’s not an elite group.

You just listed 5 1st overall picks.

[Phantom]

Honestly, the Bucs must prioritize resigning AWJ as their top priority. This man has saved our season. Atlanta, Carolina and a few others games i forgot.

[real bucs fan]

Honestly, the Bucs must prioritize resigning AWJ as their top priority. This man has saved our season. Atlanta, Carolina and a few others games i forgot.

If there is one man I’m certain we re-sign its AWJ.

[Phantom]

Honestly, the Bucs must prioritize resigning AWJ as their top priority. This man has saved our season. Atlanta, Carolina and a few others games i forgot.

If there is one man I’m certain we re-sign its AWJ.

I hope so!

[Deja Entendu]

As for being able to win with Baker, he just showed us we can. Of all of the problems this year, even at his worst he was pretty far down the list and at his best the dude BALLED.

He led us to a top 8 spot, and despite the last INT, the loss wasn’t on him. The “you need an elite QB” argument is skewed by Brady and Mahomes. Outside of Brady and Mahomes the SB QBs the last decade have been:

Purdy
Hurts
Stafford
Burrow
Goff
Foles
Ryan
Newton
A handicapped Manning
Wilson x2

That’s not an elite group.

You just listed 5 1st overall picks.

What was Baker?

[Snake]

You just listed 5 1st overall picks.

What was Baker?

Also, first overall. The greater point was, it really is an argument in favor of tanking.

[Deja Entendu]

What was Baker?

Also, first overall. The greater point was, it really is an argument in favor of tanking.

Of the 13 QBs that have appeared in the last 10 Super Bowls, 5 of them were first round picks by the team they represented. That’s less than a coin flip, so no I don’t think it is an argument in favor of tanking.

[Grahamburn]

Worst case, we tag him at 35M for 2024 and we run it back.

And this is why I think he’ll cost less than that. Both sides likely want some term.

Worse case than that is we lose AWJr. Because we did something silly like tag Mayfield.

Either commit to him or don’t. The tag doesn’t make much sense.