Welcome Baker Mayfield

[Selmon Rules]

I'd be pretty bummed with having either Carolina or NO QB. I'd be hopeful with ATL QB.

Prefer Mayfield to any of them

[Central_Buc]

I'd be pretty bummed with having either Carolina or NO QB. I'd be hopeful with ATL QB.

Prefer Mayfield to any of them

I think Penix is going to be good. Carolina and New Orleans will be in QB purgatory for a while

[Bootz]

I'd be pretty bummed with having either Carolina or NO QB. I'd be hopeful with ATL QB.

Prefer Mayfield to any of them

Baker is a prime example that franchises fail QBs more than QBs fail franchises. I think the same is probably true for the others.

[Doctor]

Use this too Bakitybakebake

Gee.... From page 3

Does any of that matter?

Seriously, you do realize that when you try to use that as a black mark on Baker you are doing so by endorsing the brain trusts of Cleveland and Carolina.

So please, tell me what makes them so great? I'm listening.

[__Chef__]

I'd be pretty bummed with having either Carolina or NO QB. I'd be hopeful with ATL QB.

Prefer Mayfield to any of them

Baker is a prime example that franchises fail QBs more than QBs fail franchises. I think the same is probably true for the others.

It is undoubtedly true that quarterbacks (and many other players) never developed into their full potential due to the organizations they ended up with.

Keep in mind, this is also true for pretty much everyone, everywhere, all the time, inside and outside of football.

[Noles1724]

Wonder what Godwin and Evans be thinking?

my thoughts too.. feel bad for them. going from TB to BM.. ouch

Was curious what my initial thought was on Baker.. I retract.

also, very funny first couple of pages.

retrospect is a hell of a thing

[Grahamburn]

My first reaction was a comp to Drew Brees and I feel pretty validated.

[Buc2]

My first post upon hearing this news...

viewtopic.php?p=125852#p125852

Good times!

[Noles1724]

My first reaction was a comp to Drew Brees and I feel pretty validated.

thinking about Baker and how he plays, I think he's a modern day Steve Young.. I guess scrambling primarily.

[Bootz]

Baker isn't the surgeon Brees was. Very few are. Brees saw things pre-snap and knew exactly where to go with the ball. Baker is creative and does well improvising, buying time.

Similarly, Brees' arm is nowhere NEAR what Baker's is. And while he was great navigating the pocket, Brees didn't have the escapability Baker does.

Other than being white, 6 foot tall Texas boys, they don't compare at all.

[Babeinbucland]

my thoughts too.. feel bad for them. going from TB to BM.. ouch

Was curious what my initial thought was on Baker.. I retract.

also, very funny first couple of pages.

retrospect is a hell of a thing

Lmao - yeah I was a Trask supporter too. Ecstatic to be wrong!

[Bootz]

So much for the Kyle Trask being the guy

Yup

[Babeinbucland]

Barf

lol these are great

Y'all ready to win just enough games to miss out on Caleb Williams but too few to be competitive or relevant? Yeah, me either!!

Exactly. Stupid signing.

We will never accomplish anything with Baker at the helm but may win one or two extra games assuming Trask is truly a bust. If Baker starts over Trask I'll be pretty discouraged about the next few years of this team.

The only good scenarios right now are A. Trask beats out Baker, exceeds expectations and gives us hope for the future. B. Baker wins the battle (meaning Trask sucks) but plays even worse than he has and we win minimal games in 2023, snag Caleb in 2024.

[Babeinbucland]

Where's @Doctor to tell all why this is actually a good move and we shouldn't be upset about this latest idiotic move by the Buc's front office?

Whoops lol

[Babeinbucland]

It amazes me that he got double the amount Darnold got for the same amount of suckage.

Can you imagine what you would think if someone had told you you then where they would both be now? Strange football times we live in lol

Thanks for upping this thread @Noles1724 I am having a blast reading the first few pages and lol’ing over and over

[Bootz]

@Babeinbucland So you're saying this was a good thing back then?

[Babeinbucland]

I’m just enjoying THE HELL out of this thread - bringing me some much needed laughter today

[Babeinbucland]

The arm talent is there in spades. He had the second strongest arm in his combine year, behind Josh Allen. He makes poor decisions, and he plays like he’s more athletic than he actually is. That’s been a consistent problem during his career. He cannot scramble around like he did Oklahoma.

Omg @Snake best one yet.

I am so frigging lucky I didn’t know enough about college ball or Baker as I am sure I would never have supported him. Hell, I wanted Trask BADLY just to see the colt we had in the stall. @myself

[Babeinbucland]

All y’all need to read the first few pages - not to rag on anyone about their fears - it is just fantastic how wrong 90% of us were and that is a WONDERFUL thing!

[Grahamburn]

Baker isn't the surgeon Brees was. Very few are. Brees saw things pre-snap and knew exactly where to go with the ball. Baker is creative and does well improvising, buying time.

Similarly, Brees' arm is nowhere NEAR what Baker's is. And while he was great navigating the pocket, Brees didn't have the escapability Baker does.

Other than being white, 6 foot tall Texas boys, they don't compare at all.

Yeah that's not really what I was comparing them for but I don't have the energy today to go back and forth so I'll just say this. Situation more than style. Dumped by the team that drafted you because of injury (the same injury) for a shiny new toy. Jilted by another team. Basically I said he could be our Drew Brees. A still young franchise QB we didn't draft that other franchises gave up on for whatever reason. That has come to fruition.

[Phantom]

I believe in him

[Snake]

The arm talent is there in spades. He had the second strongest arm in his combine year, behind Josh Allen. He makes poor decisions, and he plays like he’s more athletic than he actually is. That’s been a consistent problem during his career. He cannot scramble around like he did Oklahoma.

Omg @Snake best one yet.

I am so frigging lucky I didn’t know enough about college ball or Baker as I am sure I would never have supported him. Hell, I wanted Trask BADLY just to see the colt we had in the stall. @myself

I think it’s safe to say he figured something out.

The general sense from Cleveland fans, is he started taking the job more seriously after getting kicked to the curb and bounced around the league.

[Bootz]

Omg @Snake best one yet.

I am so frigging lucky I didn’t know enough about college ball or Baker as I am sure I would never have supported him. Hell, I wanted Trask BADLY just to see the colt we had in the stall. @myself

I think it’s safe to say he figured something out.

The general sense from Cleveland fans, is he started taking the job more seriously after getting kicked to the curb and bounced around the league.

This all day. People pretend he was the model teammate and citizen in Cleveland and Carolina. He was not. By his own admission. He had to grow up a lot and eventually did so. That's what changed. Had he stayed in Cleveland I doubt they'd be getting the same QB that we have now.

[Babeinbucland]

Oh for sure. In fact they would have broken him the same way Shitano broke Freeman

[Bootz]

Baker isn't the surgeon Brees was. Very few are. Brees saw things pre-snap and knew exactly where to go with the ball. Baker is creative and does well improvising, buying time.

Similarly, Brees' arm is nowhere NEAR what Baker's is. And while he was great navigating the pocket, Brees didn't have the escapability Baker does.

Other than being white, 6 foot tall Texas boys, they don't compare at all.

Yeah that's not really what I was comparing them for but I don't have the energy today to go back and forth so I'll just say this. Situation more than style. Dumped by the team that drafted you because of injury (the same injury) for a shiny new toy. Jilted by another team. Basically I said he could be our Drew Brees. A still young franchise QB we didn't draft that other franchises gave up on for whatever reason. That has come to fruition.

Meh, not really?
But as you said you dont have the energy.

[Buc2]

Where's @Doctor to tell all why this is actually a good move and we shouldn't be upset about this latest idiotic move by the Buc's front office?

Whoops lol

Right? This is why I'm not in charge of an NFL franchise.

[__Chef__]

I think it’s safe to say he figured something out.

The general sense from Cleveland fans, is he started taking the job more seriously after getting kicked to the curb and bounced around the league.

This all day. People pretend he was the model teammate and citizen in Cleveland and Carolina. He was not. By his own admission. He had to grow up a lot and eventually did so. That's what changed. Had he stayed in Cleveland I doubt they'd be getting the same QB that we have now.

True.

Also true: Cleveland and Carolina suck as organizations.

[mdb1958]

Oh for sure. In fact they would have broken him the same way Shitano broke Freeman

It wasnt Cocaine?

[Selmon Rules]

Folks..

Don’t be surprised if we go 13-4 with Baker

And win the Super Bowl

I'll be more than surprised, I'll be straight up shocked


Pleasantly shocked but shocked nonetheless

I would have laughed at you if you said he would be what he has been for us.

[Grahamburn]

Kind of like the Drew Brees comparison actually. Drew's record with SD was 30-28 overall. 62% complete. 79 TDs to 53 INTs.

Baker was 29-30 with the Browns. 62% complete. 92 TDs to 56 INTs.

Both left original franchise after enduring a torn labrum.

We retire Drew. Resurrect Baker.

Yup.

[Phantom]

I'll be more than surprised, I'll be straight up shocked


Pleasantly shocked but shocked nonetheless

I would have laughed at you if you said he would be what he has been for us.

My prediction is becoming a reality. I am the only person on the board who believes in him.

Maybe Doc?

[Central_Buc]

I would have laughed at you if you said he would be what he has been for us.

My prediction is becoming a reality. I am the only person on the board who believes in him.

Maybe Doc?

Myself, you and Doc were the only ones that defended the signing I believe.

Edit @Grahamburn possibility iirc.

[Backside]

I think he’ll put up decent enough numbers. It’s a pretty good spot to plug in a QB, and Baker will be eager to show he still belongs in the league. I think we’ll like how this new OC handles the offense. We’ll compete for the division and have a few things to be excited about.

It could also blow up spectacularly and we set our sights on a top 5 pick. You can’t go into a season with only Trask under contract. So I’m okay with this.

Not terrible for an initial reaction.



Glad I was eating crow before he even finished his first season too.

No matter what happens from here, I have crow to eat on Baker. I want to wrap up the division and see how he and the team look in the playoffs before we really start to have the conversation. But I am very open to giving him mid level starting QB money on a two year deal or something. We won't get a top QB draft pick, I'd be fine drafting one to develop but they wouldn't be the starter next year. I think Baker has earned that.

[Doctor]

@Sooner06 out here liking posts from page 4. Respect.

[Doctor]

Does any of that matter?

Seriously, you do realize that when you try to use that as a black mark on Baker you are doing so by endorsing the brain trusts of Cleveland and Carolina.

So please, tell me what makes them so great? I'm listening.

So, when Baker is inevitably benched by week 8 and unceremoniously leaves at season’s end. Will that mean Baker actually stinks or Bowles and Co aren’t nearly as smart as you portray them to be?

Or somehow, someway all are still amazing and you’ll find more excuses?

They're pretty smart.