The Official 2025 Off-Season Thread

[Doctor]

So what's the win condition for both the Packers and Cowboys now that the trade is done and over with?

Does this trade only translate to a W for the Packers work a Super Bowl win?

The Cowboys weren't a contender even with Parsons, so losing him doesn't really factor into their SB chances imo.

For the Cowboys to "win" this trade, do they need to find a generational talent like Parsons with one of the picks they acquired? Or if that Cowboys just gets nice value and solid picks, is that enough to at least make the trade look less catastrophic?

It's an unfair standard but yes, every move is judged by super bowl or bust. That's the goal of the league.

[Central_Buc]

There was player movement that summer but yes, Reggie was the biggest name. They cover it a little more on 30 for 30. Reggie had it narrowed to 3 teams: Packers Redskins and Browns. Browns would have been wild.

I think it depends how passionate Jones kids are in taking over. I don't doubt its in Jerrys will to leave it to his family. I dont see them selling, I think they will try to get this team back to success after Jerry passes.

Oh, I was kidding about Jerry selling the team. His whole identity is tied to the team; he'll never sell. though he really should. he's a terrible owner that has singlehandedly cost the cowboys any chance of winning a SB any time in the foreseeable future.

Oh I know, and look at Mark Davis as well, he is probably in over his head and doesn't seem to know what he is doing. Bringing Brady seems like a step in the right direction.

That's the key with owning a team I believe is leave your ego at the door and just hire the right people to help you.

[Sooner06]

Oh, I was kidding about Jerry selling the team. His whole identity is tied to the team; he'll never sell. though he really should. he's a terrible owner that has singlehandedly cost the cowboys any chance of winning a SB any time in the foreseeable future.

Oh I know, and look at Mark Davis as well, he is probably in over his head and doesn't seem to know what he is doing. Bringing Brady seems like a step in the right direction.

That's the key with owning a team I believe is leave your ego at the door and just hire the right people to help you.

Markie mark has been hilarious. As a Chiefs fan, I've enjoyed immensely watching him flail around like a chicken with its head cut off. And I agree Brady will probably right the ship, which is why I didn't want him to end up with the Raiders.

And yeah, the best owners are the ones that just break out the checkbook when necessary. otherwise just be quiet and don't meddle with the team. Like Hunt, Kraft, Lurie, whoever owns BAL/LAR/TB (Glazer, right?) and of course GB, which doesn't have an owner per se, but have always had great stability in the FO.


i will say that I'm kind of proud of GB for finally taking a big swing, even if it's about two seasons too early. These are the same guys that never drafted a WR in the first round when AR was their QB1, never took a swing at a big name FA, etc. Well, they finally took a big swing, and they got a future HoFer right at the beginning of his prime years for cheap.

[Central_Buc]

Oh I know, and look at Mark Davis as well, he is probably in over his head and doesn't seem to know what he is doing. Bringing Brady seems like a step in the right direction.

That's the key with owning a team I believe is leave your ego at the door and just hire the right people to help you.

Markie mark has been hilarious. As a Chiefs fan, I've enjoyed immensely watching him flail around like a chicken with its head cut off. And I agree Brady will probably right the ship, which is why I didn't want him to end up with the Raiders.

And yeah, the best owners are the ones that just break out the checkbook when necessary. otherwise just be quiet and don't meddle with the team. Like Hunt, Kraft, Lurie, whoever owns BAL/LAR/TB (Glazer, right?) and of course GB, which doesn't have an owner per se, but have always had great stability in the FO.


i will say that I'm kind of proud of GB for finally taking a big swing, even if it's about two seasons too early. These are the same guys that never drafted a WR in the first round when AR was their QB1, never took a swing at a big name FA, etc. Well, they finally took a big swing, and they got a future HoFer right at the beginning of his prime years for cheap.

If your the Pack and have the roster to do it, why not? With Detroit sliding it is the perfect time to take a run at the division. But idk.. I really like Chicago this year too, it likely going to be the best division to watch if not one of the best.

I think its a little frustrating that the Bucs didn't at least look at it (reportedly) even if maybe it was the right decision to not bring him in and mess with the cap.

[Sooner06]

Markie mark has been hilarious. As a Chiefs fan, I've enjoyed immensely watching him flail around like a chicken with its head cut off. And I agree Brady will probably right the ship, which is why I didn't want him to end up with the Raiders.

And yeah, the best owners are the ones that just break out the checkbook when necessary. otherwise just be quiet and don't meddle with the team. Like Hunt, Kraft, Lurie, whoever owns BAL/LAR/TB (Glazer, right?) and of course GB, which doesn't have an owner per se, but have always had great stability in the FO.


i will say that I'm kind of proud of GB for finally taking a big swing, even if it's about two seasons too early. These are the same guys that never drafted a WR in the first round when AR was their QB1, never took a swing at a big name FA, etc. Well, they finally took a big swing, and they got a future HoFer right at the beginning of his prime years for cheap.

If your the Pack you have the roster right now to say why not? With Detroit sliding it is the perfect time to take a run at the division. But idk.. I really like Chicago this year too, it may just be the best division to watch.

I think its a little frustrating that the Bucs didn't at least look at it (reportedly) even if maybe it was the right decision to not bring him in and mess with the cap.

i think GB will win the NFC-N this year. Just not sure they're ready to beat PHI. or TB, if the Bucs get healthy by December. They need their receivers to mature a bit, imo.

CHI is going to have a rough time of it. And Ben Johnson isn't going to sleep either week they have to play GB. Caleb might end up with PTSD.

yeah, but I would bet they at least looked at the idea. They chose not to take a swing (i guess) but i can't imagine any potential contenders not at least taking a long look at the possibility. It's rumored that Veach took a look, but considering the low-quality of KC's first round picks plus the fact that KC doesn't have any run-stuffing DTs, so they'd have to give up more picks nixed the idea before it even grew legs. After all that, there was the problem of the cap.

[Grahamburn]

Terrible owner with the most valuable sports franchise in the world. That’s rich.

[Phantom]

Do it Dom!

Patriots are releasing veteran safety Jabrill Peppers, per source. Peppers still has $4.32 million guaranteed remaining on his contract for this season.

Peppers has started 85 games, including 26 with New England, and has totaled over 500 tackles, seven interceptions, six forced fumbles, and seven fumble recoveries in the NFL.

[Bootz]

Terrible owner GM with the most valuable sports franchise in the world. That’s rich.

FIFY

[Bootz]

[Phantom]

Aye

[Buc2]

Kenny Clark

So, on our end, Vita and two 1sts plus that contract. No. I would not have done that.

I don’t think there is even a QB out there I’d give that to.

At least he’s not in our division. We won’t see him any more than we did when he was a Cowboy. Unless it’s in the playoffs, it won’t be this season.

[Doctor]

It's going to be a really fun year. Lots of good football, some surprisingly bad, all around the league.

I think Bowles has Detroit and Philly number. By extension Chicago as it's even less talented. LAR and SF, maybe Minnesota too I think are our worst matchups. But that too becomes a game of attrition. Depth matters.

[Sooner06]

So, on our end, Vita and two 1sts plus that contract. No. I would not have done that.

I don’t think there is even a QB out there I’d give that to.

At least he’s not in our division. We won’t see him any more than we did when he was a Cowboy. Unless it’s in the playoffs, it won’t be this season.

Stop it. Of course you would for the right QB. If 26 yr-old Mahomes or Josh Allen were available for just a pair of 1sts and an older DT, every team in the NFL tries to make that deal happen.

[Phantom]

It's going to be a really fun year. Lots of good football, some surprisingly bad, all around the league.

I think Bowles has Detroit and Philly number. By extension Chicago as it's even less talented. LAR and SF, maybe Minnesota too I think are our worst matchups. But that too becomes a game of attrition. Depth matters.

Detroit? It’s been a while since we’ve beaten them. Didn’t you forget the 4.5 sack game from Hutchinson?

[Phantom]

It's going to be a really fun year. Lots of good football, some surprisingly bad, all around the league.

I think Bowles has Detroit and Philly number. By extension Chicago as it's even less talented. LAR and SF, maybe Minnesota too I think are our worst matchups. But that too becomes a game of attrition. Depth matters.

Detroit? It’s been a while since we’ve beaten them. Didn’t you forget the 4.5 sack game from Hutchinson?

[Sooner06]

Didn't we beat DET like Week 4 last season?

[Phantom]

Didn't we beat DET like Week 4 last season?

Now I recall. It’s week 2, not week 4. The score is 20-16.

I believe that’s the game the Bucs won in the Lions series since 2013.


Hope the OL is ready for Hutchinson

[Doctor]

Yeah but both those guys are not out there and 29.

I would've done the trade. I think he's worth it and under Bowles would've been his ultimate peak. Our window would've skyrocketed for this year.

But that contract is heavy. And losing Zyon may be tolerable if Benjamin works out and stays healthy, Dean too on the cheap, and Parrish. But losing Luke would suck. Maybe Ben can learn the position quickly and be another Licht OT home runs, but that's a swing. Finally you have Hassan, who is he is what we think he is is going to get deservedly paid.

It would've been a bold swing and I would've liked it but I totally get wanting to bet on the whole. If this roster can peak and we can resign our guys that turns a 1-2 year window into a 3-4 one. Draft well, resign early, take your shots.

[Sooner06]

Didn't we beat DET like Week 4 last season?

Now I recall. It’s week 2, not week 4. The score is 20-16.

I believe that’s the game the Bucs won in the Lions series since 2013.


Hope the OL is ready for Hutchinson

right, Week 2. that was a great game. The DET game is like mid-season, right? Wirfs will be ready by then. might get JMac back around then as well. Might even see Godwin by then.

[Doctor]

What matters is being healthy come winter.

[Sooner06]

What matters is being healthy come winter.

you have winter in FL?

[Backside]

So is Jerry still a genius playing 5D Chess?

I’m not pissed that we didn’t get Parsons, but I would have liked to try. What does 30 year old Kenny Clark do for the Cowboys? Feels like Kancey and 2 firsts could have gotten us most of the way there, and as long as Parsons is paired with Vea there was no one else on defense who i would’ve had much issue in giving up. Yea, big contract but he’s the exact kind of player who is worth paying those huge contracts. I like a lot of our defensive guys but there is no massive threat to opposing offenses that must be game planned around, Parsons is exactly that. And not being able to re-sign decent players is not a reason to not pay a superstar player. You build a defense with cheap young guys around Micah, who makes all of them better.

Packers were a solid defense also missing that one game wrecking guy. They should be elite now. I hate that he went to an NFC contender. Would have been very exciting if the Bucs had been the team to make that swing. And an extended window of contention is something that rarely works as planned. Pushing the chips in for a caliber of player that should never hit the market, and is exactly what we are missing would have had my full support. Shame the FO didn’t seem interested in even exploring the opportunity.

[Obsolete]

What matters is being healthy come winter.

you have winter in FL?

It gets pretty cold down here. It was down to 98 degrees on Christmas once.

[Doctor]

What matters is being healthy come winter.

you have winter in FL?

It's when Publix puts up decorations.

[__Chef__]

Yeah but both those guys are not out there and 29.

I would've done the trade. I think he's worth it and under Bowles would've been his ultimate peak. Our window would've skyrocketed for this year.

But that contract is heavy. And losing Zyon may be tolerable if Benjamin works out and stays healthy, Dean too on the cheap, and Parrish. But losing Luke would suck. Maybe Ben can learn the position quickly and be another Licht OT home runs, but that's a swing. Finally you have Hassan, who is he is what we think he is is going to get deservedly paid.

It would've been a bold swing and I would've liked it but I totally get wanting to bet on the whole. If this roster can peak and we can resign our guys that turns a 1-2 year window into a 3-4 one. Draft well, resign early, take your shots.

Agreed-ish.

I think the deal would have made more sense for us to do than the Packers. I don't think they're a pass rusher away from contending where as that was an explicit weak spot for us last year. I still say that contract & trade is way too heavy a lift, but at least it makes sense to try and push our roster over the hump.

For Dallas, it makes no sense in a vacuum because it signals rebuild mode while the rest of the roster isn't.

I hope Reddick can bring it this year.

[__Chef__]

What matters is being healthy come winter.

you have winter in FL?

No.

"Winter" is when the chance of a cold front becomes more common, and you may just get down into the 40's for a few days.

[Doctor]

That's not how teams think, it isn't our we a pass rushed away. It's wet need this pass rushet to give ourselves a chance this year. Anything can happen any given Sunday.

[Bootz]

What matters is being healthy come winter.

If you're not healthy early on and it effects you, it matters not how healthy you are in December.

[Bootz]

So is Jerry still a genius playing 5D Chess?

I’m not pissed that we didn’t get Parsons, but I would have liked to try. What does 30 year old Kenny Clark do for the Cowboys? Feels like Kancey and 2 firsts could have gotten us most of the way there, and as long as Parsons is paired with Vea there was no one else on defense who i would’ve had much issue in giving up. Yea, big contract but he’s the exact kind of player who is worth paying those huge contracts. I like a lot of our defensive guys but there is no massive threat to opposing offenses that must be game planned around, Parsons is exactly that. And not being able to re-sign decent players is not a reason to not pay a superstar player. You build a defense with cheap young guys around Micah, who makes all of them better.

Packers were a solid defense also missing that one game wrecking guy. They should be elite now. I hate that he went to an NFC contender. Would have been very exciting if the Bucs had been the team to make that swing. And an extended window of contention is something that rarely works as planned. Pushing the chips in for a caliber of player that should never hit the market, and is exactly what we are missing would have had my full support. Shame the FO didn’t seem interested in even exploring the opportunity.

Very solid take. Kancey wouldn't move the needle at all. He's one of the worst run defending DL in football. A lot of that is because of his size. If you threw him in with another solid defender on this defense, like Yaya, that might get it done. But Jerry was specifically looking for a top DT who plays the run well and Kancey ain't that.

That said, Kenny Clark isnt that either if the last couple of seasons is any indication. But at least he has the reputation for being a solid run defender. But he's in his 10th season. Thats a lot of miles.

The Packers weren't a solid defense. They were a great defense. 6th last year in points allowed and yardage. They didn't really have any weaknesses on defense. They have a stud pass rusher in Rashan Gary, who did well despite facing most of the double teams. Now that attention will be diverted to Micah Parsons. They went from great to elite with this move and the rest of the NFC better take notice.

[Snake]

lol

[__Chef__]

That's not how teams think, it isn't our we a pass rushed away. It's wet need this pass rushet to give ourselves a chance this year. Anything can happen any given Sunday.

Mortgaging the future makes sense when you think you're close enough, and this one addition could make the difference to get you over the hump.

It worked for us in the Gruden Trade. I don't see this working for Green Bay. They've hamstrung their team by losing 2 firsts, and now have 50M tied up in *notQB* for the next few years.

I look forward to having two weaker teams in the division to run through on the way to the SB.

[Bootz]

lol

Oh Skip is in full meltdown mode

[Bootz]

That's not how teams think, it isn't our we a pass rushed away. It's wet need this pass rushet to give ourselves a chance this year. Anything can happen any given Sunday.

Mortgaging the future makes sense when you think you're close enough, and this one addition could make the difference to get you over the hump.

It worked for us in the Gruden Trade. I don't see this working for Green Bay. They've hamstrung their team by losing 2 firsts, and now have 50M tied up in *notQB* for the next few years.

I look forward to having two weaker teams in the division to run through on the way to the SB.

GB is the youngest team in the league. Has been for years. They do well filling their roster with quality draft picks and are generally conservative when it comes to FA. This is their shot at going all in. Losing 2 1sts hardly hamstrings them because their roster is already mostly solid. No real weaknesses and their defense, which was already great just got even better.

No reason to believe they wont have a fair shot at winning it all in the next few years. Their window is wide open.

[__Chef__]

lol

Oh Skip is in full meltdown mode

That's actually a pretty damning stat line. Elite players step up in the playoffs. Reminds me of Manning's dominant regular season play, and constant playoff choking before finally winning a SB in 2007.

[Bootz]

Oh Skip is in full meltdown mode

That's actually a pretty damning stat line. Elite players step up in the playoffs. Reminds me of Manning's dominant regular season play, and constant playoff choking before finally winning a SB in 2007.

Please. Wake me up when Skip or you post the fact that in those same 4 games, CeeDee Lamb has 1 TD catch. Don't see any complaints about his contract.

People get so dramatic in these situations.