With the 19th pick in the NFL draft the Buccaneers select…

[mdb1958]

@Cheb would you give our first three picks to move up for Will Johnson?

Just asking cuz a auto sim I ran just did this.

[Cheb]

@Cheb would you give our first three picks to move up for Will Johnson?

Just asking cuz a auto sim I ran just did this.

No, but I wouldn't give up our top three picks to move up for anyone, so that's not really a knock on Johnson specifically, more just my draft/team philosophy; first round picks may get all the hype, but those 2nd through 4th rounders make up the backbone of NFL squads.

[Backside]

I won’t be upset if we just take best EDGE available, but as of now I think Barron is my guy at 19.

Basically out on the ILB’s Walker and Campbell at this point.

[mdb1958]

@Cheb would you give our first three picks to move up for Will Johnson?

Just asking cuz a auto sim I ran just did this.

No, but I wouldn't give up our top three picks to move up for anyone, so that's not really a knock on Johnson specifically, more just my draft/team philosophy; first round picks may get all the hype, but those 2nd through 4th rounders make up the backbone of NFL squads.

Yeah I feel that way too. But sometimes I think it would be nice to have so many four year contracts playing that we could say what the heck "lets do it".

[mdb1958]

Maybe Dean and a Glazer farm in Maine could get us a 1st rounder

[Kona]

I won’t be upset if we just take best EDGE available, but as of now I think Barron is my guy at 19.

Basically out on the ILB’s Walker and Campbell at this point.

Barron may be long gone by 19, seen him mocked as early as 6 to the Raiders. But he’d be a helluva get for us.

Campbell is the most mocked player to us, but that labrum surgery puts his recovery 6-8 months post combine. Dude will miss all OTAs, most if not all of TC and may not be ready to suit up til October. I know you draft for the long game, but would suck to not have him get those valuable reps early on.

[Grahamburn]

I won’t be upset if we just take best EDGE available, but as of now I think Barron is my guy at 19.

Basically out on the ILB’s Walker and Campbell at this point.

Barron may be long gone by 19, seen him mocked as early as 6 to the Raiders. But he’d be a helluva get for us.

Campbell is the most mocked player to us, but that labrum surgery puts his recovery 6-8 months post combine. Dude will miss all OTAs, most if not all of TC and may not be ready to suit up til October. I know you draft for the long game, but would suck to not have him get those valuable reps early on.

It seems weird that many industry pundits haven't adjusted their mocks or rankings on him. I wouldn't be surprised if he falls into the 2nd round.

[Cheb]

Barron may be long gone by 19, seen him mocked as early as 6 to the Raiders. But he’d be a helluva get for us.

Campbell is the most mocked player to us, but that labrum surgery puts his recovery 6-8 months post combine. Dude will miss all OTAs, most if not all of TC and may not be ready to suit up til October. I know you draft for the long game, but would suck to not have him get those valuable reps early on.

It seems weird that many industry pundits haven't adjusted their mocks or rankings on him. I wouldn't be surprised if he falls into the 2nd round.

I attribute it to laziness.

"Bucs need a backer, he's available, done," and either not knowing about his surgery and not doing their due diligence, or not caring.

[Doctor]

Yes please. My dream draft..

1st. Will Johnson, great CB who falls for whatever reasons.

2nd. Jihaad Campbell, stud, ideal lb. Red shirts a year like all Bowles LBs

3rd. Cobee Bryant, DB, ball hawk safety, keep Tylee nickle.

4th Zy Alexander, great CB Todd grooms.

Late fliers on Jackson Woodard, LB, or that Buchanan kid from Cal.

[Babeinbucland]

Walker has that one trait that can't be taught. A non-stop motor. He could continue in the role he had last year playing off the edge and off ball. Walker would be useful in helping disguise the defense. He could rush the passer, or drop back from anywhere. He would have to be Bowles no.1 player.

Some mocks have him going early, but he is a tweener in reality at only 240 pounds he isn't a plug in edge rusher and he doesn't have much experience off ball to justify such an early pick, with some speculators showing him as a top 40 prospect instead of top 10. The talent is rare. My gut says he'll be off the board by pick 12.

I disagree.

No slight on you, but I think that both Walker and Campbell, the consensus top two inside linebackers, are fool's gold. They are edge rushers cosplaying at middle linebacker, and it shows when you watch them in a game instead of just watching highlights.

Watching him snap-to-snap, I think Jalon Walker is gonna get exposed hard in the pros. He's a less athletic version of Devin White, and moreover he's playing out of his natural position.

As just one example of linebacking malpractice, Jalon Walker had 38 solo tackles in a season where he started every game, less than 3 a game. And half of those came in three games; take those out and his average drops to a whopping TWO solo tackles a game. Either way, you've gotta be fucking joking me. Roquan Smith, the dude everyone is comping Walker to, got more than TWICE the tackles in the same position in the system at the same school. That's because Roquan is an off-ball linebacker... and Jalon Walker is not.

Apples to oranges, and buyer beware.

I asked my friend who works for the Bulldogs to respond to your post and this is what he offered:

Walker will adapt to any system and he’s not another Roquan but will be a solid pro.

Was out of position a bit due to injuries to other guys and still won the Butkus Award as the nation’s top linebacker. However, he didn’t make 1st team all-sec as his stats weren’t mind-blowing. In the biggest games against nfl prospects, he shined. He’s smart and coach bowles son played for us so the coaches can chat plenty. But, Unfortunately, I think another team will snap him up long before your Buc’s have the opportunity.

[GoldenBudda]

I disagree.

No slight on you, but I think that both Walker and Campbell, the consensus top two inside linebackers, are fool's gold. They are edge rushers cosplaying at middle linebacker, and it shows when you watch them in a game instead of just watching highlights.

Watching him snap-to-snap, I think Jalon Walker is gonna get exposed hard in the pros. He's a less athletic version of Devin White, and moreover he's playing out of his natural position.

As just one example of linebacking malpractice, Jalon Walker had 38 solo tackles in a season where he started every game, less than 3 a game. And half of those came in three games; take those out and his average drops to a whopping TWO solo tackles a game. Either way, you've gotta be fucking joking me. Roquan Smith, the dude everyone is comping Walker to, got more than TWICE the tackles in the same position in the system at the same school. That's because Roquan is an off-ball linebacker... and Jalon Walker is not.

Apples to oranges, and buyer beware.

I asked my friend who works for the Bulldogs to respond to your post and this is what he offered:

Walker will adapt to any system and he’s not another Roquan but will be a solid pro.

Was out of position a bit due to injuries to other guys and still won the Butkus Award as the nation’s top linebacker. However, he didn’t make 1st team all-sec as his stats weren’t mind-blowing. In the biggest games against nfl prospects, he shined. He’s smart and coach bowles son played for us so the coaches can chat plenty. But, Unfortunately, I think another team will snap him up long before your Buc’s have the opportunity.

I think if the Bucs draft him they'll plug him into the OLB rotation. I don't anticipate Bowles using him off-ball as much unless he develops quickly.
At OLB I think he fits right in. Bowles has his OLB's dropping into coverage over 20% of the time. Walker has much better tool box than our current OLB's in coverage.

He is a risky pick. He has been a situational pass rusher up until this year at Georgia. He played off ball in high school and in 2024 but I don't project him playing ILB in the NFL. His upside is Micah Parsons. Elite pass rushers have high value, which is the only reason he's a consensus top-10 player in the draft. Not for his off ball skills.

Also, he rushed the passer about 200 times last year with 34 pressures, 6.5 sacks and 11 TFL's. He's an impact player, but it's his character that you hear his coaches talking about. He's the type of player that motivates his teammates. Plus he just turned 21 years old. I think he's going to be successful, so I'm not so concerned about his lack of ideal size.

[mdb1958]

Give me David Walker in the 4th.

[Sdbucs]

My worst nightmare is missing on another defensive prospect in the first. Don’t think we can afford to keep striking out in DL/LB

[mdb1958]

My worst nightmare is missing on another defensive prospect in the first. Don’t think we can afford to keep striking out in DL/LB

Seems like quite awhile since we invested in an IDL, we miss out because they were not available at all.

[mdb1958]

I can never remember having our choice of 7 defensive tackles when we walk up for our first. With all of them having a chance to be better than most everyone we got - we have three drafted IDL's that are called DE's and a NT.

[Cheb]

My worst nightmare is missing on another defensive prospect in the first. Don’t think we can afford to keep striking out in DL/LB

Seems like quite awhile since we invested in an IDL, we miss out because they were not available at all.

We just drafted Kancey in the first round a few years ago, Logan Hall was drafted the year before him.

[mdb1958]

Seems like quite awhile since we invested in an IDL, we miss out because they were not available at all.

We just drafted Kancey in the first round a few years ago, Logan Hall was drafted the year before him.

What 2 DT's in this draft would fit nice in the rotation? 3rd and long? 3rd and short? 4th and short?

Step out of your mindset and entertain the idea.

[mdb1958]

When Suh started his career he got 10 sacks and it never happened again - I would say it's because offenses game planned him not to be the one to destroy their offense. We need to make offensive game plans more difficult.

[Sdbucs]

My worst nightmare is missing on another defensive prospect in the first. Don’t think we can afford to keep striking out in DL/LB

Seems like quite awhile since we invested in an IDL, we miss out because they were not available at all.

Hall, Kancey, JTS.

3 of past 4 years and none has been a hit

[Doctor]

To be fair, two of those were outside the top 30 where your odds of hitting really take a dive.

Vea and Kancey were hits. I'd love to take another stud up front. Pick 19 in a thick class.

[Sdbucs]

To be fair, two of those were outside the top 30 where your odds of hitting really take a dive.

Vea and Kancey were hits. I'd love to take another stud up front. Pick 19 in a thick class.

Kancey needs to prove it this year IMO. Hasn't exactly done much

Can never have too many good DL players either

[Grahamburn]

To be fair, two of those were outside the top 30 where your odds of hitting really take a dive.

Vea and Kancey were hits. I'd love to take another stud up front. Pick 19 in a thick class.

Kancey needs to prove it this year IMO. Hasn't exactly done much

Can never have too many good DL players either

Hasn’t done much? 7.5 sacks in 12 games from an iDL is not doing much?

He needs to stay healthy, but that is elite level production from an interior lineman.

[mdb1958]

Not here to bash any of the IDL linemen - but.

Vea - was the only one to play atleast half the snaps.

Vea - 705 out of a possible 1117
Kancey - 541
Hall - 539
Gaines - 395
Gholston - 202
Brewer - 160
Green - 58
E. Brown - 21
Stille - 14



Shame on you if you do not know their production.

Yet to be seen weapons.
E. Banks
A. Gotsis

[kaimaru]

Walker has that one trait that can't be taught. A non-stop motor. He could continue in the role he had last year playing off the edge and off ball. Walker would be useful in helping disguise the defense. He could rush the passer, or drop back from anywhere. He would have to be Bowles no.1 player.

Some mocks have him going early, but he is a tweener in reality at only 240 pounds he isn't a plug in edge rusher and he doesn't have much experience off ball to justify such an early pick, with some speculators showing him as a top 40 prospect instead of top 10. The talent is rare. My gut says he'll be off the board by pick 12.

I disagree.

No slight on you, but I think that both Walker and Campbell, the consensus top two inside linebackers, are fool's gold. They are edge rushers cosplaying at middle linebacker, and it shows when you watch them in a game instead of just watching highlights.

Watching him snap-to-snap, I think Jalon Walker is gonna get exposed hard in the pros. He's a less athletic version of Devin White, and moreover he's playing out of his natural position.

I agree with all of this watching Walkers film

[Grahamburn]

Not here to bash any of the IDL linemen - but.

Vea - was the only one to play atleast half the snaps.

Vea - 705 out of a possible 1117
Kancey - 541
Hall - 539
Gaines - 395
Gholston - 202
Brewer - 160
Green - 58
E. Brown - 21
Stille - 14



Shame on you if you do not know their production.

Yet to be seen weapons.
E. Banks
A. Gotsis

Kancey played 71% of the snaps in his starts. Vea 67%.

[mdb1958]

Not here to bash any of the IDL linemen - but.

Vea - was the only one to play atleast half the snaps.

Vea - 705 out of a possible 1117
Kancey - 541
Hall - 539
Gaines - 395
Gholston - 202
Brewer - 160
Green - 58
E. Brown - 21
Stille - 14



Shame on you if you do not know their production.

Yet to be seen weapons.
E. Banks
A. Gotsis

Kancey played 71% of the snaps in his starts. Vea 67%.

If you watched the games - yes they got tired out.

[GoldenBudda]

We just drafted Kancey in the first round a few years ago, Logan Hall was drafted the year before him.

What 2 DT's in this draft would fit nice in the rotation? 3rd and long? 3rd and short? 4th and short?

Step out of your mindset and entertain the idea.

I'd say Kenneth Grant would be awesome to essentially split reps with Vea, giving us the ultimate run clogging front. This keeps both players fresh.

The second DT is a bit harder to project. Darius Alexander is probably the guy I'd prefer. Not a fan of the top talent outside of Grant.

[mdb1958]

What 2 DT's in this draft would fit nice in the rotation? 3rd and long? 3rd and short? 4th and short?

Step out of your mindset and entertain the idea.

I'd say Kenneth Grant would be awesome to essentially split reps with Vea, giving us the ultimate run clogging front. This keeps both players fresh.

The second DT is a bit harder to project. Darius Alexander is probably the guy I'd prefer. Not a fan of the top talent outside of Grant.

I wonder how many of them think with Vea I finally get to face just one player. Some of these DT's could even allow Vea to attack from a different position.

[Sdbucs]

Picking at 19 and the following are available. Who do you take?

Tetaiora McMillan - WR
Matthew Golden - WR

Kenneth Grant - DT - Best DT remaining

Green, Sawyer, Scourton, Umanmielen, Ezieruaku, Stewart - DE - 4th or 5th best DE remaining

Jihaad Campbell - LB - Best LB in draft

Shavon Revel Jr. - CB - Best CB remaining

Nick Emanworri - S
Malaki Starks - S - Two good S prospects

McMillan and Golden are just so tempting here. Mike Evan's eventual replacement in McMillan and a pretty dang good looking WR in Golden.

[mdb1958]

Did an Alabama player ever shine for the Bucs?

[mdb1958]

Are they waiting to tell us something important about Godwin?

[Doctor]

I take Jihaad. Then Tet.

[Grahamburn]

I take Jihaad. Then Tet.

"Alabama linebacker Jihaad Campbell's s labrum recovery is something teams are still sizing up. It's not because the injury is complex or an overly concerning procedure, but Campbell had the surgery right after the combine," Yates said. "Teams are still working to get as much information as they can about how ready Campbell will be for training camp or even the regular season. At full strength, I believe he's a top-20 player in this class, but don't be surprised if he slides into the late first or early second round."

I just can't see us taking him when he's not likely able to contribute this season.

[Grahamburn]

Of the players listed I personally would take McMillan if he actually fell that far. I don't think he does though. I expect they'll be taking Ezeiruaku or Starks, and knowing how Licht prefers to get starters with his 1sts I'd put my money on Starks.

[Sdbucs]

Of the players listed I personally would take McMillan if he actually fell that far. I don't think he does though. I expect they'll be taking Ezeiruaku or Starks, and knowing how Licht prefers to get starters with his 1sts I'd put my money on Starks.

In my mocks I generally have something like this before us:

7 offensive - 2 QB, 3 OL, 1 RB, 1 TE
11 defensive - 3 CB, 3 DT, 4 EDGE, 1 LB

I can see a world where none of the WRs are picked early.

The 3 teams picking directly before us are all hungry for defense and I expect a run on DE/LB there.