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mdb1958 wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 12:26 am
King Bootz wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:58 pm

And how many decades ago was that?

Maybe you are right, due to the advancements in healthcare, they may find out it wasnt as bad after the swelling went down.
I'm pleasantly surprised you understand it.

But it is essentially the difference in what use to make an ACL tear a career ending injury and what now makes it an injury athletes recover from in less than a year. Performing the surgery while swelling is present can severely and permanently messes up the joint and limit getting back as much full ROM as possible. People really don't understand how intricate and important the ACL is.

It's part of the reason I'm skeptical about Shaq Barrett returning in 3 weeks from an ACL sprain.
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“And once the storm is over, you won’t remember how you made it through, how you managed to survive,” Godwin wrote. “You won’t even be sure, whether the storm is really over. But one thing is certain. When you come out of the storm, you won’t be the same person who walked in. That’s what this storm’s all about.”
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Based on Pocket Lint, trying to flex his extensive sports medicine knowledge I did a little research on the subject.

Here is what I found.
It's clear now that unrepaired anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injuries are often accompanied by damage to other soft tissue structures of the knee. Patients are advised to have surgery sooner than later. And surgeons are advised to carefully evaluate the joint for any additional ligament or cartilage tears before doing surgery for the ACL. But sometimes patients opt out of surgery and decide to wait before having the operation. In those cases, without the stabilizing force of the ACL, do patients end up with meniscal tears that weren't present at the time of the ACL injury? That's what the authors of this study set out to find out.
Interestingly, patients who underwent reconstruction between 8 and 21 days from injury and underwent an accelerated rehabilitation program had a decreased incidence of arthrofibrosis as compared to those who underwent a conventional rehabilitation program.
Often the best time to have reconstructive surgery is immediately after the injury. This is before muscle wasting and knee stiffness has occurred. This will result in the fastest recovery.
I did find one piece of evidence that pointed to delaying surgery.
Orthopedic surgeons at Shelbourne Knee Center delay surgery until both the knee and the patient are ready. Usually, this is about 2-4 weeks after the injury.
I am going to make the assumption that the Buccaneers and Chris Godwin are in contact with fully qualified medical professionals that are making an individual diagnosis and recommendation. I am hopeful that Chris will make a complete recovery and be retained by the Buccaneers this off-season.
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Should we barely win on the road against the Jets for the first time in history or should we whip them worse than what we got on Novenber 17, 1985.
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mdb1958 wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:18 am Should we barely win on the road against the Jets for the first time in history or should we whip them worse than what we got on Novenber 17, 1985.
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IchabodCrane84 wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:55 am
mdb1958 wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:18 am Should we barely win on the road against the Jets for the first time in history or should we whip them worse than what we got on Novenber 17, 1985.
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ATrain wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:52 pm
Dread wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:46 pm
Does that mean you think the Jets will win Sunday? Or is this you being a contrarian for the sake of it? Because we already have one of those here.
Just keeping the Bucs within the context of this season. None of us thought the Redskins would beat us, and that same attitude is going on with the Jets. Of COURSE the Jets shouldn't beat us. The only loss we have on our record that we have any business having is the Rams loss.

I think we'll win, but give how uneven the team has been overall coupled with all our injuries and now COVID ravaging the roster, if we have another stupid loss to a team like the Jets, I won't be that shocked.
So the Bucs will probably win but they could lose.

Brilliant. Just Brilliant.
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mdb1958 wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:42 pm I still cannot find where Godwin has had knee surgery.
Because he hasn't.

Ironically he was getting take out breakfast at the same place I ate at this morning.

Had I known this thread/discussion was here I wouldn't asked instead of extending my well wishes.
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13F11B wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:15 am Based on Pocket Lint, trying to flex his extensive sports medicine knowledge I did a little research on the subject.

Here is what I found.
It's clear now that unrepaired anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injuries are often accompanied by damage to other soft tissue structures of the knee. Patients are advised to have surgery sooner than later. And surgeons are advised to carefully evaluate the joint for any additional ligament or cartilage tears before doing surgery for the ACL. But sometimes patients opt out of surgery and decide to wait before having the operation. In those cases, without the stabilizing force of the ACL, do patients end up with meniscal tears that weren't present at the time of the ACL injury? That's what the authors of this study set out to find out.
Interestingly, patients who underwent reconstruction between 8 and 21 days from injury and underwent an accelerated rehabilitation program had a decreased incidence of arthrofibrosis as compared to those who underwent a conventional rehabilitation program.
Often the best time to have reconstructive surgery is immediately after the injury. This is before muscle wasting and knee stiffness has occurred. This will result in the fastest recovery.
I did find one piece of evidence that pointed to delaying surgery.
Orthopedic surgeons at Shelbourne Knee Center delay surgery until both the knee and the patient are ready. Usually, this is about 2-4 weeks after the injury.
I am going to make the assumption that the Buccaneers and Chris Godwin are in contact with fully qualified medical professionals that are making an individual diagnosis and recommendation. I am hopeful that Chris will make a complete recovery and be retained by the Buccaneers this off-season.
5-6 years ago my son had an ACL repair performed by the same doctor who was the Bucs orthopedic surgeon at the time. He had it done about 2 weeks after the injury to allow for swelling to subside. There were a rash of athletes in the same sports program all of whom had ACL repair right at the same time and the same process was followed for each of them. It's possible that the process has changed a bit since as it appears recovery from the surgery has been accelerated by at least a few months in today's world.
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Four Verticals wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:31 am
13F11B wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:15 am Based on Pocket Lint, trying to flex his extensive sports medicine knowledge I did a little research on the subject.

Here is what I found.







I did find one piece of evidence that pointed to delaying surgery.



I am going to make the assumption that the Buccaneers and Chris Godwin are in contact with fully qualified medical professionals that are making an individual diagnosis and recommendation. I am hopeful that Chris will make a complete recovery and be retained by the Buccaneers this off-season.
5-6 years ago my son had an ACL repair performed by the same doctor who was the Bucs orthopedic surgeon at the time. He had it done about 2 weeks after the injury to allow for swelling to subside. There were a rash of athletes in the same sports program all of whom had ACL repair right at the same time and the same process was followed for each of them. It's possible that the process has changed a bit since as it appears recovery from the surgery has been accelerated by at least a few months in today's world.
Part of what has helped accelerate healing process is going through the same procedure your son and his peers did for their ACL repairs. 137duryhru even quoted as such but he's trying hard to get one over on me.

Surgeons aren't putting cutting into the knee until the swelling goes down. That's not really a groundbreaking discovery. The effects of doing so have been discovered and well documented with the advancement in medicine.

@mdb1958 stated he had ACL repair immediately after his injury, which was decades ago. There's a less than 50% chance his response would be clear or understood but I'm willing to bet he's had long term effects from the surgery and recovery.
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King Bootz wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:03 pm
Doooshnzl wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 10:41 pm

No need for you waste any more time or effort on this turd. He is exactly what you say he is, and most of us here know it.
Just let him prattle on with his bull shit and lies.
And who the fuck are you?! It's always the no name lovers who have secretly idolized Bootz for ages that talk the most shit. I mean enough to you for you to speak on my name and we've never even interacted. Talking about "we". Dude you're a nobody. Stay in your place.

Get back to your fades, textures and
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Doooshnzl wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:26 am
King Bootz wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:03 pm

And who the fuck are you?! It's always the no name lovers who have secretly idolized Bootz for ages that talk the most shit. I mean enough to you for you to speak on my name and we've never even interacted. Talking about "we". Dude you're a nobody. Stay in your place.

Get back to your fades, textures and
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Oh God. Another simpleton believing their being clever with the same old tired talking points. "Barber this, barber that". Blah blah. It's old and tired. And you may not clutter the board but you surely do chase me around. Get off my dick, kiddo. You look pathetic.
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Bucs using the Covid list like the franchise tag.

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IchabodCrane84 wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:55 am
mdb1958 wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:18 am Should we barely win on the road against the Jets for the first time in history or should we whip them worse than what we got on Novenber 17, 1985.
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King Bootz wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:14 am Part of what has helped accelerate healing process is going through the same procedure your son and his peers did for their ACL repairs. 137duryhru even quoted as such but he's trying hard to get one over on me.
I am going to assume you failed to type my user name properly. I posted items I found online. I posted NO conclusion. I did not make an assertion as to how ACL surgery should be done. As a non-medical professional, I have no idea. Do you think that is me trying to get one over on you? Really?!? You need to stop drinking that funky cold medina.
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IchabodCrane84 wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 11:38 am Bucs using the Covid list like the franchise tag.

Evans off, Pinion on.
Beginning to sound like the training room is where the exposures happened.
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AB "tweaked" his ankle in practice this week and will be a GT decision on Sunday to see if he can play.
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If Evans is back we should just sit AB until the playoffs. He's made of paper-mache at this point in his career.
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You truly can't make this type of incompetence up. Does Stroud even try? Like seriously? Mind blowing.

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Luckily, Auman is back from vacation so we can forget about Stroud's awful reporting again.

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Nano wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:02 pm AB "tweaked" his ankle in practice this week and will be a GT decision on Sunday to see if he can play.
It has been a rough year for injuries. Here is to hoping that he heals well.
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Nano wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 4:10 pm Luckily, Auman is back from vacation so we can forget about Stroud's awful reporting again.

Thank God. You can't make up the incompetence there
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All Covid receipts have been processed and paid up, now on to the next week.
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If they call up Elijah Ponder and use him, I'm thinking they have been working with him all along since JPP got hurt. Someone has if he gets meaningful minutes.
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mdb1958 wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:03 am
IchabodCrane84 wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:55 am

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Referential wit, when it comes to that I am prolly your most common whoosh. I might have 5 or 10 minutes total of star wars under my belt. I missed a lot of tv.
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Haven't done this in about a month. Lets see how much PFF loves/hates us.

Offense
PlayerPosition RankGrade
Tom Brady2/3790.7
Leonard Fournette18/6074.8
Antonio Brown4/13089.5
Chris Godwin12/13081.3
Mike Evans50/13070.5
OJ Howard69/7449.8
Rob Gronkowski13/7473.4
Ryan Jensen13/3771.9
Alex Cappa16/8071.9
Ali Marpet6/8082.2
Tristan Wirfs9/8483.4
Donovan Smith15/8482.0
Defense
PlayerPosition RankGrade
Pierre Desir23/11671.5
Ross Cockrell40/11667.0
Jamal Dean5/11680.6
Carlton Davis28/11669.8
Sean Murphy-Bunting66/11661.9
Mike Edwards17/9175.8
Jordan Whitehead12/9176.9
Antoine Winfield Jr2/9185.1
Devin White75/8135.9
K.J. BrittN/A28.3
Lavonte David5/8177.6
Ndamukong Suh89/13053.5
Rakeem Nunez-Roches73/13057.3
Vita Vea18/13074.5
William Gholston51/13062.8
Shaquil Barrett11/11082.6
Jason Pierre-Paul106/11048.7
Joe Tryon-Shoyinka90/11056.1
STs
PlayerPosition RankGrade
Ryan SuccopN/A58.3
Bradley Pinion16/3363.4
Sterling HofrichterN/A58.0
Devin White is apparently satan to these people
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Four Verticals wrote: Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:20 am
ATrain wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:52 pm

Just keeping the Bucs within the context of this season. None of us thought the Redskins would beat us, and that same attitude is going on with the Jets. Of COURSE the Jets shouldn't beat us. The only loss we have on our record that we have any business having is the Rams loss.

I think we'll win, but give how uneven the team has been overall coupled with all our injuries and now COVID ravaging the roster, if we have another stupid loss to a team like the Jets, I won't be that shocked.
So the Bucs will probably win but they could lose.

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Could you imagine this defense if JPP wasn't an absolute liability and we had a decent option behind him?

Also is AWJ really that good?
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13F11B wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:13 pm
King Bootz wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:11 pm Oh there were contingencies. You aren't looking hard enough, kiddo. Keep digging.
So says the welching loser three years later. No contingencies were mentioned in the thread. None were mentioned when you welched and came back. I see NO PROOF that there were any contingencies but NOW you claim there were some but provide ZERO evidence. Typical Bro. Typical.
Dude. Stop. Take this shit off-topic or, better yet, PM. A post or 2 is one thing. But to continue this dumb shit page after page, thread after thread is annoying as fuck.
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If both Evans and AB are out Sunday, who's our starting WRS?

Perriman, Johnson, and Scotty? I assume Cyril will play a role as well. I would like o see us use 3 TE sets and get creative these next 2 weeks. We need to start showing some different things for the Playoffs. We were getting too predictable and running the same plays with lesser players isn't going to work.
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Backside wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:02 pm
It's a New Year's miracle!
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Tom's last game against the Jets - 33-0
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IchabodCrane84 wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:30 pm
Backside wrote: Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:02 pm
It's a New Year's miracle!
The latest report I saw said that SMB and Dean will not be traveling with the team. The article speculated that was because they had not received medical clearance to resume activities and they might travel separately to New Jersey.
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