Welcome Baker Mayfield

[Sooner06]

Congrats to Baker Mayfield on leading his team to yet another playoff berth, and another career statistical season. Also, for having what might be the most efficient statistical season of any starting QB in TB history, all while having to learn his 7th new offensive system. Kudos, Baker.

[BucsNBills]

Sorry Baker haters, better luck next week. Maybe Mayfield will have a bad game and you can finally have something to celebrate!

[CannonFire]

Nothings changed.

Not much lead left in that pencil.

Same amount as it always had.

[Grahamburn]

Not much lead left in that pencil.

Same amount as it always had.

In 2023, Baker Mayfield came to Tampa Bay to battle Kyle Trask for the starting job as a presumed bridge QB on a rebuilding team. Since then, he has thrown for more touchdowns than anyone in the league

[Grahamburn]

PASSING

Passing Yards 4500 (Career High)

Passing TDs 41 (Career High)

INTs 16

Completion Percentage 71.4% (Career High)

Passer RTG 106.8 (Career High)

Yards Per Attempt 7.9 (Career High)

RUSHING

Rushing Yards 378 (Career High)

Yards Per Carry 6.3 (Career High)

Rushing TDs 3 (Tied Career High - 2019)

TOTAL YARDS 4878 (Career High)

TOTAL TDs 44 (Career High)

[CannonFire]

Same amount as it always had.

In 2023, Baker Mayfield came to Tampa Bay to battle Kyle Trask for the starting job as a presumed bridge QB on a rebuilding team. Since then, he has thrown for more touchdowns than anyone in the league

Awesome!! No, that doesn't change anything.

[Pirate Life]

PASSING

Passing Yards 4500 (Career High) #3 in NFL

Passing TDs 41 (Career High) Tied for #2 in NFL

INTs 16 Tied for most in NFL - needs to get better here

Completion Percentage 71.4% (Career High) #3 in NFL

Passer RTG 106.8 (Career High) #4 in NFL

Yards Per Attempt 7.9 (Career High) Tied for 6th in NFL

RUSHING

Rushing Yards 378 (Career High) #10 for a QB

Yards Per Carry 6.3 (Career High) #6 for a QB

Rushing TDs 3 (Tied Career High - 2019) #11 for a QB

TOTAL YARDS 4878 (Career High) #3 QB in total yards

TOTAL TDs 44 (Career High) #2 in NFL

Added some context where he stands among his peers.

[Backside]

You’re a casual if you wouldn’t rather have Aaron Rodgers or Derek Carr

[Babeinbucland]

Awesome!! No, that doesn't change anything.

You’re a stubborn SOB. Reminds me of my alcoholic father, no matter the facts he stuck to his false, irrelevant story that he made up because he could not possibly admit when he was wrong.

[Grahamburn]

Awesome!! No, that doesn't change anything.

You’re a stubborn SOB. Reminds me of my alcoholic father, no matter the facts he stuck to his false, irrelevant story that he made up because he could not possibly admit when he was wrong.

At this point it's clearly just schtick.

[CannonFire]

Awesome!! No, that doesn't change anything.

You’re a stubborn SOB. Reminds me of my alcoholic father, no matter the facts he stuck to his false, irrelevant story that he made up because he could not possibly admit when he was wrong.

I know... I'M the one that has to change his opinion after ONE season where he wasn't average (or worse). Despite the fact that he's had 6 where he was average or worse, you don't have to think that this is either just a one off or a mixture of him being around above average talent and coaching. Yes, I know you and people like you think it's merely a coincidence that after losing Godwin and Evans, we lost 3 games to beatable opponents and then we all of a sudden win games when Evans comes back.

There literally are 25 QB's (or more), who would've done what Mayfield did this year (and last). He's not special in anyway. Look, you people can keep pretending he's more than he's not, but the reality is that he's just an average QB, nothing special, and easily replaceable.

Meanwhile, the bulk of the people bashing me for not being impressed by Mayfield, are the same ones wanting Bowles fired. How ironic is that? The guy who had a hand in building the WHOLE team isn't as good as the guy who's only part and parcel, responsible for a third of it.

[Babeinbucland]

You’re a stubborn SOB. Reminds me of my alcoholic father, no matter the facts he stuck to his false, irrelevant story that he made up because he could not possibly admit when he was wrong.

At this point it's clearly just schtick.

I think you give him too much credit tbh

[Babeinbucland]

You’re a stubborn SOB. Reminds me of my alcoholic father, no matter the facts he stuck to his false, irrelevant story that he made up because he could not possibly admit when he was wrong.

I know... I'M the one that has to change his opinion after ONE season where he wasn't average (or worse). Despite the fact that he's had 6 where he was average or worse, you don't have to think that this is either just a one off or a mixture of him being around above average talent and coaching. Yes, I know you and people like you think it's merely a coincidence that after losing Godwin and Evans, we lost 3 games to beatable opponents and then we all of a sudden win games when Evans comes back.

There literally are 25 QB's (or more), who would've done what Mayfield did this year (and last). He's not special in anyway. Look, you people can keep pretending he's more than he's not, but the reality is that he's just an average QB, nothing special, and easily replaceable.

Show me all the QB’s THIS YEAR with better stats. I’ll wait.

[CannonFire]

I know... I'M the one that has to change his opinion after ONE season where he wasn't average (or worse). Despite the fact that he's had 6 where he was average or worse, you don't have to think that this is either just a one off or a mixture of him being around above average talent and coaching. Yes, I know you and people like you think it's merely a coincidence that after losing Godwin and Evans, we lost 3 games to beatable opponents and then we all of a sudden win games when Evans comes back.

There literally are 25 QB's (or more), who would've done what Mayfield did this year (and last). He's not special in anyway. Look, you people can keep pretending he's more than he's not, but the reality is that he's just an average QB, nothing special, and easily replaceable.

Show me all the QB’s THIS YEAR with better stats. I’ll wait.

Show me all the one's who played with the talent we have, that had a worse record. I'll wait.

[Doctor]

Yeah, it was funny the first time as a bit.

But if you're really sticking to "no change" after the laughs, then it turns out we weren't laughing with you after all, but in fact at you.

Weren't you raving how last year was his fluke year and he was destined to regress?
Are we just recycling that again this year? And next?

[Buc2]

Yeah, it was funny the first time as a bit.

But if you're really sticking to "no change" after the laughs, then it turns out we weren't laughing with you after all, but in fact at you.

Weren't you raving how last year was his fluke year and he was destined to regress?
Are we just recycling that again this year? And next?

Every year until he regresses, of course.

Regression isn't always terrible. It depends on how much of a regression we're talking about. All players go up and down from their personal mean. Going down from their mean, while technically could be labeled a regression, does not necessarily mean the player had a bad year.

Regardless, Mayfield is here for a while, I'd say. We will have plenty of time to debate the merits of keeping him or not over subsequent years.

[Grahamburn]

Yeah, it was funny the first time as a bit.

But if you're really sticking to "no change" after the laughs, then it turns out we weren't laughing with you after all, but in fact at you.

Weren't you raving how last year was his fluke year and he was destined to regress?
Are we just recycling that again this year? And next?

Every year until he regresses, of course.

Regression isn't always terrible. It depends on how much of a regression we're talking about. All players go up and down from their personal mean. Going down from their mean, while technically could be labeled a regression, does not necessarily mean the player had a bad year.

Regardless, Mayfield is here for a while, I'd say. We will have plenty of time to debate the merits of keeping him or not over subsequent years.

First time in a long time I've been 100% certain we have our QBotF for the next 5+ years.

Baker put that team on his back yesterday to win that game.

[Grahamburn]

I guess I should say it's the first time I've ever felt like we had our QBotF for the next 5+ years.

[Backside]

Imagine watching your team have one of the best offenses in team history led by a very likable QB playing at a high level. And you don’t enjoy any of it because you are too stubborn to take a very well deserved L.

[Grahamburn]

You’re a stubborn SOB. Reminds me of my alcoholic father, no matter the facts he stuck to his false, irrelevant story that he made up because he could not possibly admit when he was wrong.

I know... I'M the one that has to change his opinion after ONE season where he wasn't average (or worse). Despite the fact that he's had 6 where he was average or worse, you don't have to think that this is either just a one off or a mixture of him being around above average talent and coaching. Yes, I know you and people like you think it's merely a coincidence that after losing Godwin and Evans, we lost 3 games to beatable opponents and then we all of a sudden win games when Evans comes back.

There literally are 25 QB's (or more), who would've done what Mayfield did this year (and last). He's not special in anyway. Look, you people can keep pretending he's more than he's not, but the reality is that he's just an average QB, nothing special, and easily replaceable.

Meanwhile, the bulk of the people bashing me for not being impressed by Mayfield, are the same ones wanting Bowles fired. How ironic is that? The guy who had a hand in building the WHOLE team isn't as good as the guy who's only part and parcel, responsible for a third of it.

I've given Bowles credit for Mayfield and Coen. My gripes with him have nothing to do with those choices. They were obviously great ones.

It's not one season here in Tampa. It's two seasons. And Baker has thrown the most touchdowns in the NFL in that time frame. The list you originally posted that I quoted for posterity is truly hilarious in hindsight.

[Doctor]

Imagine watching your team have one of the best offenses in team history led by a very likable QB playing at a high level. And you don’t enjoy any of it because you are too stubborn to take a very well deserved L.

Some people have a serious purity fetish and cannot stomach the idea of a retread QB.

[Grahamburn]

Imagine watching your team have one of the best offenses in team history led by a very likable QB playing at a high level. And you don’t enjoy any of it because you are too stubborn to take a very well deserved L.

I don't get it. Game on the line. Backed up inside the 10. They go on a freaking 94 yard drive to essentially ice the game. 3rd and 9 dot to Evans. 3rd and 14 scramble picks up 30 yards. Just a huge backbreaking play.

All of that after completing a 4th and 8 for 33 yards. THEN completing a 32 yard TD dime piece on the run to take the lead on an 82 yard drive prior. He was picking up 3rd and long after 3rd and long all day while most everyone else shit the bed on offense with penalties.

Can't imagine actually being a Bucs' fan after all that and sticking to your guns and saying Gardner Minshew or Sam Howell could have done it. How miserable.

Offense scored 502 points this year. Any QB could have done it.

[Sooner06]

Show me all the QB’s THIS YEAR with better stats. I’ll wait.

Show me all the one's who played with the talent we have, that had a worse record. I'll wait.

Lol, easy.

NYJ, MIA, CIN, JAX, DAL, ATL, SF.

[Pirate Life]

Show me all the QB’s THIS YEAR with better stats. I’ll wait.

Show me all the one's who played with the talent we have, that had a worse record. I'll wait.

Aaron Rodgers with the Jets.

[Pirate Life]

There literally are 25 QB's (or more), who would've done what Mayfield did this year (and last). He's not special in anyway. Look, you people can keep pretending he's more than he's not, but the reality is that he's just an average QB, nothing special, and easily replaceable.

And yet for most categories this season there's only one or two that have done better and few that have done as well.

Meanwhile, the bulk of the people bashing me for not being impressed by Mayfield, are the same ones wanting Bowles fired. How ironic is that? The guy who had a hand in building the WHOLE team isn't as good as the guy who's only part and parcel, responsible for a third of it.

Licht built the team, not Bowles.

[mdb1958]

How many Buc QB's had 19 wins

[Central_Buc]

Show me all the QB’s THIS YEAR with better stats. I’ll wait.

Show me all the one's who played with the talent we have, that had a worse record. I'll wait.

Baker is the only QB in the league that bought his oline milk and cookies.

Eat that.

[CannonFire]

Show me all the one's who played with the talent we have, that had a worse record. I'll wait.

Lol, easy.

NYJ, MIA, CIN, JAX, DAL, ATL, SF.

You're serious, aren't you?

[CannonFire]

There literally are 25 QB's (or more), who would've done what Mayfield did this year (and last). He's not special in anyway. Look, you people can keep pretending he's more than he's not, but the reality is that he's just an average QB, nothing special, and easily replaceable.

And yet for most categories this season there's only one or two that have done better and few that have done as well.

Meanwhile, the bulk of the people bashing me for not being impressed by Mayfield, are the same ones wanting Bowles fired. How ironic is that? The guy who had a hand in building the WHOLE team isn't as good as the guy who's only part and parcel, responsible for a third of it.

Licht built the team, not Bowles.

Wait, I thought the criticism for Bowles was that he had a hand in building the defense? You're saying that because the defense struggled, that's Bowles' fault, but the offense did well and it's all because of Licht?

[Pirate Life]

Wait, I thought the criticism for Bowles was that he had a hand in building the defense? You're saying that because the defense struggled, that's Bowles' fault, but the offense did well and it's all because of Licht?

Never been one of my complaints about Bowles other than wondering if we're scouting/drafting pass rushers that are more athletic and versatile (relatively) than ones that are pure pass rushers. But nice try at deflection =).

And you really, really don't want folks to start using your Mayfield argument against Bowles

[Sooner06]

Lol, easy.

NYJ, MIA, CIN, JAX, DAL, ATL, SF.

You're serious, aren't you?

Only as serious as you are about Baker being no better than the 26th best QB in the league.

Regardless, those 7 teams fit your criteria perfectly. All 7 were able to field teams with more talent for more games this season, and all were sporting QBs, that according to you, were significantly better than Baker, and all finished with worse records. Easy peasy.

In fact, I could easily make the argument that if Baker had been the QB1 for any of those teams this season, they'd have finished with a winning record, instead of the losing records they earned.

Except maybe CIN. Burrow, while not elite, is a very good QB, and he posted a great statistical season.



The rest of those QBs, notably all on your list of QBs that are better than Baker, were unable to live up to your billing.

[Grahamburn]

Show me all the one's who played with the talent we have, that had a worse record. I'll wait.

Lol, easy.

NYJ, MIA, CIN, JAX, DAL, ATL, SF.

Ironically enough every single one of those QBs are on his “Better Than Baker” list.

[Backside]

I love how the argument just changes to the Bucs now have some super elite roster that any QB would be great with. Quite a far cry from the pre season pontifications.

[Central_Buc]

Lol, easy.

NYJ, MIA, CIN, JAX, DAL, ATL, SF.

You're serious, aren't you?

It was whole Milk too

[Sooner06]

I love how the argument just changes to the Bucs now have some super elite roster that any QB would be great with. Quite a far cry from the pre season pontifications.

That's the thing when people are wrong. They have to keep changing the narrative to make their story fit. When you're right, you don't have to change anything. Shockingly, I haven't had to change my story about anything I've said about Baker. Or those QBs on his list that I said Baker was better than. All but Goff and Lamar have had seasons almost exactly as I predicted before the season started.