King Bootz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:24 pm
OBP is very quiet so far and so close to the start of the league year. Only 47 players under contract, $10mil over the salary cap, no solution at QB. Not a good thing.
It's time shift our mindset back to assuming the Bucs suck and are incompetent.
Sure we may have a few good players, but now that Brady is gone we'll ruin those careers also.
PetePierson wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 2:58 pm
I am kind of relieved, actually. Much like my life, I'll have no hope or expectations for the impending dumpster fire we are all about to witness for the next decade plus.
I understand the past 2 seasons have been confusing for you. It was unnatural for all of us.
It is shocking how clueless Bucs fans are about how well-rounded and how good and diverse of a cover man CD3 is. I'm routinely seeing a "meh" or "over-rated." Sometimes being a Bucs fan is embarassing. I feel like we might be the most peer-contagion infected fanbase in the league. We collectively fawn over the optics of a player and disregard their actual play and memetic nonsense runs wild in the stead of analysis and understanding. With CD3, its like all people remember is that numbskullery of a gameplan in the regular season against the Chiefs which featured him in Press Man on Tyreek Hill with no help over the top. There isn't a CB in the NFL that would have any chance there and there are scant few in history that would (and those guys all played in the era where their 5 yard and beyond contact would get whistled over and over today). And then fans think "well he doesn't get picks" as if that was a significant part of being a highly effective CB for a great defense in football.
The drop-off between CD3 and Dean is quite large in every kind of Zone Coverage, Match Quarters processing, defending in-cuts, run support, and especially defending perimeter Screens. The overall drop-off between CD3 and SMB is hard even encapsulate without going straight to what sounds like hyperbole nukes.
Our CB room is going to be way, way, way worse next year than its been the last 3 years with CD3.
SMB's combine athletic profile doesn't remotely transfer to his play. He still has all kinds of technical holes. His ability to read route language or intuit route combinations is still poor and slow. His confidence appears easily shaken after he loses in Man coverage (and he does that routinely). Almost every pick he has made is the product of either (a) a fluke (bad throw that deflected after SMB was actually beaten badly) or (b) the byproduct of another player generating a tip drill and him being in the vicinity. The idea that he is going to featured next year just makes me wince. I'm tired of watching him like I was tired of VH3 like I was tired of MJ Stewart like I was tired of Justin Evans.
Of the 5 DBs we've hit on in the last 8 years (CD3, Whitehead, Winfield...I'm going to tentatively put Dean and Edwards in the "hit" category even though Dean is a limited CB who is a very good Man and MQ coverage player but with injury/tackling/run support/Zone issues and Edwards needs to exhibit much more assignment integrity and tackling consistency to go along with his play-making), we're probably about to see two of them exit without a 2nd contract. That sucks. You really have to sign your DB hits to 2nd contracts in a league where DB play and DB depth is paramount.
This draft needs to load up on DBs, iOL, and iDL.
I’ve listened to several Bucs talking heads who believe CD3 was one of the 3 most important pieces to this defense (LVD and Vea rounding it out) while a couple think he is the single most important piece. I’m inclined to agree because the drop off from Carlton is significant. Equality as important as the skills are Carlton also has the mentality of a CB1. He doesn’t get his confidence shaken when he messes up so he ends up being a fairly consistent good corner.
If we lose him without replacing him with some comparable rookie this defense will be bottom 3 in the league.
We finally, after decades (it seems) have someone on the roster that can actually kick a Field Goal, not named Gramatica, and I've seen suggestions of "kicking" him to the curb on multiple posts. I know we need cap space, but crimony, do we really want to throw the baby out with the bath water? I mean, how many years have we all cringed at the idea of kicking a FG instead of going for it on 4th and 12?
The Bucs can't even pay for a full 53 man roster. No way in hell we're trading for a QB who has a $35mil fully guaranteed base salary & zero incentive to restructure it.
PetePierson wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:16 pm
So rub & tug / sealed testimony aside, no one has an issue with this fuckstick not playing a down last season and collecting more money in one year than most of us would see in 100 lifetimes?
Zero. The Texans made that choice. Why would that be an issue you or I have?
The Bucs can't even pay for a full 53 man roster. No way in hell we're trading for a QB who has a $35mil fully guaranteed base salary & zero incentive to restructure it.
I get that, but the cap is just accounting. The Packers were like $25M over before they re-signed Rodgers & tagged Adams for $70M more.
Now that the criminal charges aren't a possibility if Watson cuts a check to put this saga to bed, does Licht atleast pick up the phone.
PetePierson wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:16 pm
So rub & tug / sealed testimony aside, no one has an issue with this fuckstick not playing a down last season and collecting more money in one year than most of us would see in 100 lifetimes?
Don't be so judgemental. I'm trying to enjoy my Sunday's
King Bootz wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:18 pm
Zero. The Texans made that choice. Why would that be an issue you or I have?
Did they? All on the franchise? Didn't hear a peep from Ole Rub & Tug wanting to play.
All on the franchise. They could've played him. Could've traded him to the numerous teams offering up draft picks to acquire him and let him become someone else's problem.
Watson didn't want to be in Houston. Why would he do anything other than collect a check to stay away?
The Bucs can't even pay for a full 53 man roster. No way in hell we're trading for a QB who has a $35mil fully guaranteed base salary & zero incentive to restructure it.
I get that, but the cap is just accounting. The Packers were like $25M over before they re-signed Rodgers & tagged Adams for $70M more.
Now that the criminal charges aren't a possibility if Watson cuts a check to put this saga to bed, does Licht atleast pick up the phone.
Okay I gotcha.
I mean, maybe they make a call? I just don't think we're in a position to give it serious consideration.
The only team I see that would be able to acquire Watson without handicapping themselves in the future is Philly. They have 3 1sts this year and the cap room to take on his salary. Plus they have the need. Hurts is too limited as a QB to get them very far.
What Jenna failed to mention is the $7mil+ dead cap hit that also was incurred in putting him on the retirement list. As a result we are currently over the salary cap by $8-10mil depending on if you ask OTC or Spotrac.
To make matters worse, we are the only team that's sitting over the cap with less than 51 players under contract. So when Licht & Greenberg get back from vacation Tuesday around noon, I expect a flurry of moves. Some unexpected.
I have been trying to explain in other threads. Our cap as Spotrac or Overthecap has us which is right this second but not truly the cap number. Take the example that Tom Brady's salary is still counted. Also we can put Marpet, Brady, Gronk, and Suh as post June 1st relieving us from many millions in cap space. (The Steelers are planning to put Ben Roethlisberger as a June 1st so it can be used on retired players if you are wondering). It's be reported that since Brady left, we can get back 16 million in cap space for his retiring halfway through his contact. That would save us $24 million alone. Since we are this cash strapped, do you really think OBP isn't going to have to do that? We can also do this with Marpet and gain a little over 3 million.
The Bucs can't even pay for a full 53 man roster. No way in hell we're trading for a QB who has a $35mil fully guaranteed base salary & zero incentive to restructure it.
I get that, but the cap is just accounting. The Packers were like $25M over before they re-signed Rodgers & tagged Adams for $70M more.
Now that the criminal charges aren't a possibility if Watson cuts a check to put this saga to bed, does Licht atleast pick up the phone.
Do you mean lose player accounting? So keep stepping in it because it stinks or feels good? Maybe both?
All on the franchise. They could've played him. Could've traded him to the numerous teams offering up draft picks to acquire him and let him become someone else's problem.
Watson didn't want to be in Houston. Why would he do anything other than collect a check to stay away?
He didn't want to be in Houston? I must have missed the reporting that he had a gun to his head to sign that huge ass contract a year prior. Poor guy.
I wouldn’t feel sorry for him. As you stated, he got paid a healthy $10.5mil last season and didn’t even have to show up. You clearly harbor strong resentment for that. You’ll harbor even more when you come to realize that he gets $35mil fully guaranteed no matter what this season. So again, no need to pity him. Houston is who you should feel sorry for. They had to pay the guy and he never stepped foot in the building.
Snake wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:31 am
you don’t have Tom Brady anymore. What are you doing…
Soon. Brady is going stir crazy. Soon he'll get a text from Gronk saying "Tommy wanna win a ring?" and he'll do the Tom Brady thing where he psychs out screaming "LET'S GOOO!" because he's Tom Brady
If we have to trade him we will have all the assets we need for Watson too. Keep that in mind. Someone's gonna pay us HEAVY for him
Snake wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:31 am
you don’t have Tom Brady anymore. What are you doing…
Soon. Brady is going stir crazy. Soon he'll get a text from Gronk saying "Tommy wanna win a ring?" and he'll do the Tom Brady thing where he psychs out screaming "LET'S GOOO!" because he's Tom Brady
If we have to trade him we will have all the assets we need for Watson too. Keep that in mind. Someone's gonna pay us HEAVY for him
Soon. Brady is going stir crazy. Soon he'll get a text from Gronk saying "Tommy wanna win a ring?" and he'll do the Tom Brady thing where he psychs out screaming "LET'S GOOO!" because he's Tom Brady
If we have to trade him we will have all the assets we need for Watson too. Keep that in mind. Someone's gonna pay us HEAVY for him
You’ve been getting into Outie’s stuff, huh?
In defense of Outie, Brady loves football just as much. I'm simply banking on something like this happening because Brady reminds me of those old guys who are like "I still got it" despite the fact they're too old to be doing whatever it is. Except he was really good and he's still got it. If that makes any sense.
If I'm wrong about it then it's really gonna suck to be us. If I was right, we're smart to push Vea's salary. I do think we'll give Watson a look if Brady doesn't want to come back here but wants to continue playing
In defense of Outie, Brady loves football just as much. I'm simply banking on something like this happening because Brady reminds me of those old guys who are like "I still got it" despite the fact they're too old to be doing whatever it is. Except he was really good and he's still got it. If that makes any sense.
If I'm wrong about it then it's really gonna suck to be us. If I was right, we're smart to push Vea's salary. I do think we'll give Watson a look if Brady doesn't want to come back here but wants to continue playing
It’s okay for you to bank on that. Fans are supposed to hold out hope.
To @Snake’s point, we don’t have Brady. If Jason Licht/Bruce Arians are banking on the same thing you are, then it truly is “A Bucs life”. That would be the absolute dumbest thing ever. Even worse than both of them basically admitting they were fanboys and handing the keys over to Brady. Worked out in 2020, not so much in 2021. Now we’re basically handicapped by his $20mil cap hit because our GM is too busy admiring his life size Brady poster and hoping he was blowing smoke when he announced his retirement.
I wouldn’t feel sorry for him. As you stated, he got paid a healthy $10.5mil last season and didn’t even have to show up. You clearly harbor strong resentment for that. You’ll harbor even more when you come to realize that he gets $35mil fully guaranteed no matter what this season. So again, no need to pity him. Houston is who you should feel sorry for. They had to pay the guy and he never stepped foot in the building.
You would admire that type of "work" ethic.
More like indifferent. Again, why would I care about his situation or feel any resentment? Why do you feel resentment?
Soon. Brady is going stir crazy. Soon he'll get a text from Gronk saying "Tommy wanna win a ring?" and he'll do the Tom Brady thing where he psychs out screaming "LET'S GOOO!" because he's Tom Brady
If we have to trade him we will have all the assets we need for Watson too. Keep that in mind. Someone's gonna pay us HEAVY for him
You’ve been getting into Outie’s stuff, huh?
Allow me.
See, I saw La'el Collins is seeking a trade and if not traded he's likely to be released. His cap # is ~15 million this season so if we trade he could be had on the relative cheap and then maybe we can get him to restructure for an extension. Then we kick Wirfs over to LT, move Smith inside to LG and with some other fancy financial manipulations we retain Jensen and Cappa. Our line is suddenly juicy again and all of that thiccness will be what it takes to get Big Daddy Brady to come back from his smoke run.
Backside wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 2:19 pm
Stinnie one year deal.
He’s probably a starter this year.
Given we just lost our entire interior OL, I'm glad we got back one of the guys that was part of the championship run. Hoping JL's eye for OL keeps hitting homers and Robert Hainsey can be a good starter. That leaves us with one obvious hole. Better than most.
