Myles Garrett

[Zarni]

I'm sure that @Zarni is not a happy camper if it happens

We missed the little window we had. Im ok if he bounces if we get a good return

[Doctor]

You realize HALF of first rounders flat out bust right? To get just a serviceable starter is a win, let alone a home freaking run. Odds are worse for second rounders. But even with that, AWJ, Vea, and Kancey are homeruns, I don't know what you're talking about.

Hall and JTS are also 100% starters in this league too.

Not every pick can be LVD. And that's okay.

...I think people overhype draft picks. The fact that we hit is grand, but you know Myles is a hit. A devastating one at that. I'd take the sure thing over picks.

I agree with this guy ^

Smart guy.

However those are not mutually exclusive points. Myles is a unicorn and I'm all for trading maybes for one depending on the whole of the deal.

That can be true while refuting the ridiculous notion that we trash at drafting so our picks are worth less. Like, gtfoh with these bs narratives.

[__Chef__]

I agree with this guy ^

Smart guy.

However those are not mutually exclusive points. Myles is a unicorn and I'm all for trading maybes for one depending on the whole of the deal.

That can be true while refuting the ridiculous notion that we trash at drafting so our picks are worth less. Like, gtfoh with these bs narratives.

It was a slight exaggeration.

You said it yourself, those picks are hit or miss. My point, those picks have been hit or miss especially so on Defense as our premier picks still have us scouring the NFL for someone, anyone that can help us rush the passer. Using those picks to land someone that has proven that ability beyond a doubt would be a smart use of those picks.

[Grahamburn]

If anything our picks are worth more because Licht’s hit rate is much higher than the norm.

[Sdbucs]

If anything our picks are worth more because Licht’s hit rate is much higher than the norm.

Our 3rd and 4th rounders are gold under Licht. Our 1st and 2nd are toss ups

[mdb1958]

Smart guy.

However those are not mutually exclusive points. Myles is a unicorn and I'm all for trading maybes for one depending on the whole of the deal.

That can be true while refuting the ridiculous notion that we trash at drafting so our picks are worth less. Like, gtfoh with these bs narratives.

It was a slight exaggeration.

You said it yourself, those picks are hit or miss. My point, those picks have been hit or miss especially so on Defense as our premier picks still have us scouring the NFL for someone, anyone that can help us rush the passer. Using those picks to land someone that has proven that ability beyond a doubt would be a smart use of those picks.

Seems like it's because no one listens to me. Go to ESPN and scroll down the list of tackles and make a note of how much scrolling you have to do to find all of our d-line. Clear back in 2018 I said about Vea "now go get him some help".

I can't remember it all but I don't think we had many options all this time. mdb says the options may be around this time.


Maybe.

[Grahamburn]

If anything our picks are worth more because Licht’s hit rate is much higher than the norm.

Our 3rd and 4th rounders are gold under Licht. Our 1st and 2nd are toss ups

I feel like they’ve been pretty dialed in since 2022.

Big reason people want to make a run at Garrett is because the drafts have been just so god damn good.

And, of course, Baker.

[__Chef__]

Our 3rd and 4th rounders are gold under Licht. Our 1st and 2nd are toss ups

I feel like they’ve been pretty dialed in since 2022.

Big reason people want to make a run at Garrett is because the drafts have been just so god damn good.

And, of course, Baker.

Baker and Mike Williams (Godwin) and maybe LVD sticks around and VEA.

Add a couple JAG linebackers with Garrett and I'd say we have a shot as long as the offense can remain somewhat on par with last year.

[Grahamburn]

I feel like they’ve been pretty dialed in since 2022.

Big reason people want to make a run at Garrett is because the drafts have been just so god damn good.

And, of course, Baker.

Baker and Mike Williams (Godwin) and maybe LVD sticks around and VEA.

Add a couple JAG linebackers with Garrett and I'd say we have a shot as long as the offense can remain somewhat on par with last year.

I don’t know what the first sentence means.

But, sure. Garrett+++ makes for a nice team.

[__Chef__]

I don’t know what the first sentence means.

Commentary on our best players that aren't going to be playing at a high level forever ... so while we have them, making the most of their talent by adding Garrett to help push us over the top makes sense.

[Bootz]

If anything our picks are worth more because Licht’s hit rate is much higher than the norm.

Our 3rd and 4th rounders are gold under Licht. Our 1st and 2nd are toss ups

HUH?!??!!! I think you have this mixed up. Big time.

Mike Evans. Ali Marpet. Vita Vea. Tristian Wirfs. Antoine Winfield Jr. Luke Goedeke. Youngsters like Calijah Kancey, Cody Mauch, and Graham Barton.

What combinations of 3rd & 4th rounders have we drafted under Licht thats has been better than that?

[Babeinbucland]

Also I thought he was 32 but he's 29 and relatively healthy, all the more reason to give up multiple 1sts.

If we land him Cleveland is going to be a Bucs town.

If we land him Cleveland = Buc’s farm team

[GoldenBudda]

Not sure how we would be able to build the roster if we're giving Garrett top defensive player money?

Let Godwin walk, redo a bunch of deals, cut players and kick the dead cap $$ down the road. The only way you do this move is if you're one 4-3 DE away from a championship.

This is a pipe dream. How about we get SB caliber coaching first? We've got a last place defensive staff and a rookie OC that hasn't called plays before. An extra 10 sacks doesn't equal superbowl winner.

There are plenty of productive pass rushers available every year that we never sign. Why not start there instead of the franchise killing trade.

[Grahamburn]

Garrett has a no trade clause and a big dead cap hit if traded before 6/1.

[Bootz]

Garrett has a no trade clause and a big dead cap hit if traded before 6/1.

No he doesn't.

[mdb1958]

Hmm.

Will you two allow me to read the contract?

[Ken]

Myles is a no brainer. He's a machine.

[mdb1958]

Myles is a no brainer. He's a machine.

Believe me, it sounds good. But quit trying to mess up my team and spend my assets and money. He is looking for a mega deal before he walks to retirement. If results don't match his gold chest before long people will talk about - "I'm for a one year prove it deal".

You have to give Cleveland what they want before you give Myles what he wants.

[Bootz]

Hmm.

Will you two allow me to read the contract?

Yes please.

[mdb1958]

Hmm.

Will you two allow me to read the contract?

Yes please.

Ohh pardon me, with my hampered intellect going on now for 20 plus years of internet fun, I thought you two fans had access to it - atleast it kinda sounded that way.

[__Chef__]

Not sure how we would be able to build the roster if we're giving Garrett top defensive player money?

Let Godwin walk, redo a bunch of deals, cut players and kick the dead cap $$ down the road. The only way you do this move is if you're one 4-3 DE away from a championship.

This is a pipe dream. How about we get SB caliber coaching first? We've got a last place defensive staff and a rookie OC that hasn't called plays before. An extra 10 sacks doesn't equal superbowl winner.

There are plenty of productive pass rushers available every year that we never sign. Why not start there instead of the franchise killing trade.

It is a hail mary play to Mike Evans in the endzone.

It's not a guarantee, but given the situation we're in, it's worth a shot.

[Doctor]

What exactly is the situation we're in?

If anything, I think people are saying the situation is good, that slow and steady wins the race. Don't risk blowing up a good thing with a high risk shortcut.

Which I get. Like I said I don't think it's an absolute answer of "get him no matter what" or "the trade and contract would be crippling".

I think there is plenty of room on both sides for this trade to be a too good or too much. We'll just have to wait and see where the chips fall.

[Grahamburn]

Garrett has a no trade clause and a big dead cap hit if traded before 6/1.

No he doesn't.

Ok. My bad. I read somewhere that he did.

[mdb1958]

Since Myles has been a Brown, how many years has Cleveland had more sacks than the Bucs?

[Bootz]

Since Myles has been a Brown, how many years has Cleveland had more sacks than the Bucs?

I dont understand the question.

[Grahamburn]

Since Myles has been a Brown, how many years has Cleveland had more sacks than the Bucs?

Total sacks is a misleading stat. Sacks are great, but if you have to send 7 people to get them and you compromise the back end coverage like we do what's the point?

Obviously it's simple, and everyone knows that if you can get pressure without sending extra people that's how you win on defense. Garrett accomplishes that. As would another capable pass rusher though.

[mdb1958]

Since Myles has been a Brown, how many years has Cleveland had more sacks than the Bucs?

I dont understand the question.

Ask the community for help.

[mdb1958]

Since Myles has been a Brown, how many years has Cleveland had more sacks than the Bucs?

Total sacks is a misleading stat. Sacks are great, but if you have to send 7 people to get them and you compromise the back end coverage like we do what's the point?

Obviously it's simple, and everyone knows that if you can get pressure without sending extra people that's how you win on defense. Garrett accomplishes that. As would another capable pass rusher though.

The answer is most of his years.

[Grahamburn]

Falcons offer Cousins and 2 1sts for Garrett. Who says no?

They'd basically be trading the dead cap hits. Cousins is $37.5M in dead cap with a pre 6/1 trade. Garrett is $36M. So, nearly identical. Could be one of those "great deals for both teams" situations.

Browns could turn things around quickly with a real QB and multiple 1sts. Falcons solve their pass rush problem.

[__Chef__]

Falcons offer Cousins and 2 1sts for Garrett. Who says no?

They'd basically be trading the dead cap hits. Cousins is $37.5M in dead cap with a pre 6/1 trade. Garrett is $36M. So, nearly identical. Could be one of those "great deals for both teams" situations.

Browns could turn things around quickly with a real QB and multiple 1sts. Falcons solve their pass rush problem.

Good points ... but ...

Garrett doesn't solve his problem of wanting a championship.

[Grahamburn]

Falcons offer Cousins and 2 1sts for Garrett. Who says no?

They'd basically be trading the dead cap hits. Cousins is $37.5M in dead cap with a pre 6/1 trade. Garrett is $36M. So, nearly identical. Could be one of those "great deals for both teams" situations.

Browns could turn things around quickly with a real QB and multiple 1sts. Falcons solve their pass rush problem.

Good points ... but ...

Garrett doesn't solve his problem of wanting a championship.

I'm not going to get too deep into a pro-Falcons argument and none of us have a crystal ball... But, they have some pieces and a rookie QB contract to play with so could afford a monster Garrett extension during that window.

And as @Bootz pointed out he doesn't actually have a no-trade clause, so as much as the Browns may want to do right by him they'll send him to the highest bidder if he's actually traded.

This is one scenario where the dead cap situation may not be such a detriment to them because they're getting a QB in return and could then replace Garrett with the 2nd pick in the draft if they took Carter. And, the Falcons get something for Cousins instead of just cutting him for nothing.

[__Chef__]

Good points ... but ...

Garrett doesn't solve his problem of wanting a championship.

I'm not going to get too deep into a pro-Falcons argument and none of us have a crystal ball... But, they have some pieces and a rookie QB contract to play with so could afford a monster Garrett extension during that window.

And as @Bootz pointed out he doesn't actually have a no-trade clause, so as much as the Browns may want to do right by him they'll send him to the highest bidder if he's actually traded.

This is one scenario where the dead cap situation may not be such a detriment to them because they're getting a QB in return and could then replace Garrett with the 2nd pick in the draft if they took Carter. And, the Falcons get something for Cousins instead of just cutting him for nothing.

I agree both teams are in a quandary and this scenario would be a win/win for them.

But if I'm Garett, I'm looking at my career accolades and accomplishments that haven't amounted to a chance to compete for a ring ... I'm looking for 2 things:
1) An organization that knows how to get there
2) A place where the need/impact is greatest

You're right, they could trade him regardless ... but then the new team is left in the same situation as the Browns are today.

[mdb1958]

Imagine an agent saying on behalf of his client "you sure you want to do this".

[Ken]

Bucs should trade 2 1sts and get this done today. It's an absolute no brainer. This team is a dominant EDGE from winning 13 games and being set up for a deep playoff run. We can find back end help in other places. He's a top 3 player at a top 3 most important position in the game. Anyone against this has to be checked for head injury.

[__Chef__]

Bucs should trade 2 1sts and get this done today. It's an absolute no brainer. This team is a dominant EDGE from winning 13 games and being set up for a deep playoff run. We can find back end help in other places. He's a top 3 player at a top 3 most important position in the game. Anyone against this has to be checked for head injury.

I'd sweeten it up even more.

Every 1st rounder over the next 4 years as long as our team makes the playoffs

At first this might sound extreme, it's meant to.

If the team is making the playoffs, those 1st rounders are low first rounders and we're obviously close enough to keep making a run.

If the team misses the playoffs, we get our first rounder back to hopefully add an impact player and make it back to the playoffs.

It's a win/win.