The OFFICIAL 2024 Bucs off-season thread

[Sdbucs]

One of those 8 variants of toast @Snake was talking about. He's also been injured a ton the past few years. 35 total games played since 2021 and a torn ACL 2 seasons ago. Also hasn't been a consistent starter for the Giants since 2020. Might not even make it out of camp.

So we're trading for Bosa, confirmed?

[Barnzy]

One of Licht's weaknesses along with certain positions in the draft IMO is picking up the right type of vets. The only time he has been able to do it well is when Brady told him and forced his hand on what guys to sign.

I look at the list of FA WR's and while it's slim pickings, Shepard is way down on the list near the bottom for me. He hasn't been a relevant NFL player for 4 years. The chances he is relevant here is probably less than 5%.

I'm not sure why the Bucs don't target vets that were at least relevant in the last 1-2 seasons. Give me a 28 year old Gage back instead etc. They would have a way better chance of contributing than Shepard.

[Doctor]

Not so fast. Apparently they're asking for the rights to Plummer. We're refusing.

[mdb1958]

Is Canales going to be able to become a headache for us?

[kaimaru]

Is Canales going to be able to become a headache for us?

no

[mdb1958]

Is Canales going to be able to become a headache for us?

no

You better go rest after that.

[Grahamburn]

One of Licht's weaknesses along with certain positions in the draft IMO is picking up the right type of vets. The only time he has been able to do it well is when Brady told him and forced his hand on what guys to sign.

I look at the list of FA WR's and while it's slim pickings, Shepard is way down on the list near the bottom for me. He hasn't been a relevant NFL player for 4 years. The chances he is relevant here is probably less than 5%.

I'm not sure why the Bucs don't target vets that were at least relevant in the last 1-2 seasons. Give me a 28 year old Gage back instead etc. They would have a way better chance of contributing than Shepard.

What’s your parameter for a vet? Free agents, trades, just one year prove it deals?

Because even outside of the Brady years he’s hit on several guys outside the organization.

[Obsolete]

Shepard's purpose is probably to push the younger guys in camp. The coaches are probably hoping he gets beat out because that means the kids are good enough for game day and they will most likely get even better, while being cheaper.

[Grahamburn]

I don’t see how he makes the team unless someone gets hurt.

[mdb1958]

Shepard's purpose is probably to push the younger guys in camp. The coaches are probably hoping he gets beat out because that means the kids are good enough for game day and they will most likely get even better, while being cheaper.

I like this thought process - good post.

[mdb1958]

One of Licht's weaknesses along with certain positions in the draft IMO is picking up the right type of vets. The only time he has been able to do it well is when Brady told him and forced his hand on what guys to sign.

I look at the list of FA WR's and while it's slim pickings, Shepard is way down on the list near the bottom for me. He hasn't been a relevant NFL player for 4 years. The chances he is relevant here is probably less than 5%.

I'm not sure why the Bucs don't target vets that were at least relevant in the last 1-2 seasons. Give me a 28 year old Gage back instead etc. They would have a way better chance of contributing than Shepard.

@Barnzy Were you the guy that came in and spoke about David Moore? He is one of the guys that showed me that if you take the right approach you can elevate players to be key contributors.

Lets don't stop there now that he is gone, take it on and see if we can get others to do it.

[acmillis]

One of Licht's weaknesses along with certain positions in the draft IMO is picking up the right type of vets. The only time he has been able to do it well is when Brady told him and forced his hand on what guys to sign.

I look at the list of FA WR's and while it's slim pickings, Shepard is way down on the list near the bottom for me. He hasn't been a relevant NFL player for 4 years. The chances he is relevant here is probably less than 5%.

I'm not sure why the Bucs don't target vets that were at least relevant in the last 1-2 seasons. Give me a 28 year old Gage back instead etc. They would have a way better chance of contributing than Shepard.

Isn't that contradictory? Gage had 426 receiving yards in 2022, good enough for 103rd place in the league, a SOLID #4 WR option.....irrelevant.

[mdb1958]

Neither

[Bootz]

Who doesn't love a little off the field litigation?

[Sdbucs]

If we wanted a vet receiver to push the young guys I'd rather Randall Cobb. At least he's played at a high level with greatness

[Bootz]

If we wanted a vet receiver to push the young guys I'd rather Randall Cobb. At least he's played at a high level with greatness

That "level of greatness" was over 10 years ago

[Sdbucs]

If we wanted a vet receiver to push the young guys I'd rather Randall Cobb. At least he's played at a high level with greatness

That "level of greatness" was over 10 years ago

I more just meant he's played a lot with Aaron Rodgers which I would guess carries into the locker room as a vet player vs. sterling shepherd who has been on the Giants with scrubs. It's grasping at straws either way, both players are washed

[Four Verticals]

If we wanted a vet receiver to push the young guys I'd rather Randall Cobb. At least he's played at a high level with greatness

Maybe they spoke with Cobb but he wanted too much to sign. Shepard got $1.3mil from the Giants last year and I'd guess he didn't get anything much more than that to sign with the Bucs.

I'd be surprised if he makes the 53 man at this point.

[mdb1958]

Jalen Coker

I may have to say this more than once.

[Babeinbucland]

Greg Auman
@gregauman
Steve Spurrier, always the best for a joke on the podium at a banquet, tells a old-but-good story about the 1976 Bucs, when they were 0-12 under coach John McKay: "He had us in the locker room, and he said 'Gentlemen.' He used to say 'gentlemen' in the locker room. Other times, he'd call us dumbasses. He said 'Gentlemen, we're losing because we're losing at the line of scrimmage. We're losing that battle with the o-line and our d-line. We're all getting beat. We're losing the battle at the line of scrimmage. Football games are lost at the line of scrimmage. He kept saying it: The game is lost at the line of scrimmage. One of our big linemen, Howard Fest, was sound asleep like he always was in the meeting room. He's back there, half dozing, and McKay saw him back there asleep. He hollered out 'FEST!' And Fest said 'Yessir, coach.' And he said 'Where are most football games lost?" And Fest said 'Right here with the Buccaneers, Coach."

[Barnzy]

One of Licht's weaknesses along with certain positions in the draft IMO is picking up the right type of vets. The only time he has been able to do it well is when Brady told him and forced his hand on what guys to sign.

I look at the list of FA WR's and while it's slim pickings, Shepard is way down on the list near the bottom for me. He hasn't been a relevant NFL player for 4 years. The chances he is relevant here is probably less than 5%.

I'm not sure why the Bucs don't target vets that were at least relevant in the last 1-2 seasons. Give me a 28 year old Gage back instead etc. They would have a way better chance of contributing than Shepard.

Isn't that contradictory? Gage had 426 receiving yards in 2022, good enough for 103rd place in the league, a SOLID #4 WR option.....irrelevant.

No. That is still 2 years ahead of Shepard who was last relevant 4 years ago. He's also 3 years older than Gage.

In the end it probably won't matter as I don't know if he even makes it out of camp. But not the vet I would've signed if they want the guy to contribute on field.

[Buc2]

Greg Auman
@gregauman
Steve Spurrier, always the best for a joke on the podium at a banquet, tells a old-but-good story about the 1976 Bucs, when they were 0-12 under coach John McKay: "He had us in the locker room, and he said 'Gentlemen.' He used to say 'gentlemen' in the locker room. Other times, he'd call us dumbasses. He said 'Gentlemen, we're losing because we're losing at the line of scrimmage. We're losing that battle with the o-line and our d-line. We're all getting beat. We're losing the battle at the line of scrimmage. Football games are lost at the line of scrimmage. He kept saying it: The game is lost at the line of scrimmage. One of our big linemen, Howard Fest, was sound asleep like he always was in the meeting room. He's back there, half dozing, and McKay saw him back there asleep. He hollered out 'FEST!' And Fest said 'Yessir, coach.' And he said 'Where are most football games lost?" And Fest said 'Right here with the Buccaneers, Coach."

Well, he wasn't wrong.

[mdb1958]

Is Canales going to be able to become a headache for us?

no

Is Gregory living for maryjane going to be a distraction for us?

[Bootz]

no

Is Gregory living for maryjane going to be a distraction for us?

no

[mdb1958]

Is Gregory living for maryjane going to be a distraction for us?

no

I was going to say you and PM are both wrong - but you will be right if we cut him.

[Bootz]

no

I was going to say you and PM are both wrong - but you will be right if we cut him.

Exactly. He's here on a 1 year deal with about $1.4mil in guarantees and he ain't that good. He'll be let go before there is any chance he can become a distraction.

[CannonFire]

One of those 8 variants of toast @Snake was talking about. He's also been injured a ton the past few years. 35 total games played since 2021 and a torn ACL 2 seasons ago. Also hasn't been a consistent starter for the Giants since 2020. Might not even make it out of camp.

At this point in the process, who's left is a crap shoot. Not terrible. Where they dropped the ball was not getting Marquis Brown for $7M or Tyler Boyd for $2.4M.

[mdb1958]

One of those 8 variants of toast @Snake was talking about. He's also been injured a ton the past few years. 35 total games played since 2021 and a torn ACL 2 seasons ago. Also hasn't been a consistent starter for the Giants since 2020. Might not even make it out of camp.

At this point in the process, who's left is a crap shoot. Not terrible. Where they dropped the ball was not getting Marquis Brown for $7M or Tyler Boyd for $2.4M.

Not needed, Mayfield just needs to show our farther down WR's that they are his best new buddies. I think they will respond.

[Grahamburn]

Between Palmer, McMillan, Shepherd, and Jarrett someone will emerge. The 4 of them combined cost less than Brown. When you’re already paying your top 2 guys $20M+ it’s tough to splurge on the WR3.

[CannonFire]

At this point in the process, who's left is a crap shoot. Not terrible. Where they dropped the ball was not getting Marquis Brown for $7M or Tyler Boyd for $2.4M.

Not needed, Mayfield just needs to show our farther down WR's that they are his best new buddies. I think they will respond.

Good point!

[mdb1958]

I'm still impressed with Chebington finding Louis Rees-Zamit and I would love to see if he can do anything for us if KC cuts him.

[Bootz]

One of those 8 variants of toast @Snake was talking about. He's also been injured a ton the past few years. 35 total games played since 2021 and a torn ACL 2 seasons ago. Also hasn't been a consistent starter for the Giants since 2020. Might not even make it out of camp.

At this point in the process, who's left is a crap shoot. Not terrible. Where they dropped the ball was not getting Marquis Brown for $7M or Tyler Boyd for $2.4M.

I don't get why Boyd was on the market as long as he was. He's an excellent #3, borderline 2 on a lot of teams. The Titans definitely got a bargain.

[CannonFire]

At this point in the process, who's left is a crap shoot. Not terrible. Where they dropped the ball was not getting Marquis Brown for $7M or Tyler Boyd for $2.4M.

I don't get why Boyd was on the market as long as he was. He's an excellent #3, borderline 2 on a lot of teams. The Titans definitely got a bargain.

Agreed. There must be something out there about him that we don't know because for the life of me, I can't understand why Shepard is worth only $1M less than Boyd.

[CannonFire]

Between Palmer, McMillan, Shepherd, and Jarrett someone will emerge. The 4 of them combined cost less than Brown. When you’re already paying your top 2 guys $20M+ it’s tough to splurge on the WR3.

Well, it won't be Shepherd, so that already reduces the pool. I've seen enough of Palmer to believe he's the legitimate NFL WR who's a good player to have on the roster. I don't know if he could be a true WR3, but it's possible, at the very least I see him as a WR4 and happy to have him. I see Jarrett as backend roster fodder and the most likely to be the first guy cut, if someone else shows something. McMillan... we'll see. Fingers crossed.

[mdb1958]

Between Palmer, McMillan, Shepherd, and Jarrett someone will emerge. The 4 of them combined cost less than Brown. When you’re already paying your top 2 guys $20M+ it’s tough to splurge on the WR3.

Well, it won't be Shepherd, so that already reduces the pool. I've seen enough of Palmer to believe he's the legitimate NFL WR who's a good player to have on the roster. I don't know if he could be a true WR3, but it's possible, at the very least I see him as a WR4 and happy to have him. I see Jarrett as backend roster fodder and the most likely to be the first guy cut, if someone else shows something. McMillan... we'll see. Fingers crossed.

Interesting, I was thinking we could get much more out of Jarrett. Atleast as much as what Justin Watson is giving the Chiefs.