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Re: Bucs reached out to Sherman

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MJW wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:37 pm
BLT wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:25 am

The senile comes to the defense of the senile.

Cute.

MJW, the statement was indefensible and you're offered improvement of the team was deconstructing it for the sake of not doing what we did. Your ideal mock off-season sounds like the last post super bowl off-season that ruined the team for 20 years, so I'm not interested in hearing about the details, whether I'm capable or not.
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BLT wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:31 pm
MJW wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:37 pm

"I'm not going to read your rationale or research, but here's my response to it anyway."

K Dude. Good luck with that.
I've probably read everything everyone's posted here since 2006.

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There's no way you've read every Bootz post
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Doctor wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:40 pm
BLT wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:31 pm

I've probably read everything everyone's posted here since 2006.

Thanks.
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King Bootz wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:52 pm
Doctor wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:40 pm

There's no way you've read every Bootz post
Even I haven't read every Bootz post
Well that explains a lot....
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Re: Bucs reached out to Sherman

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King Bootz wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:52 pm
Doctor wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:40 pm

There's no way you've read every Bootz post
Even I haven't read every Bootz post
Are we including GBF?
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Re: Bucs reached out to Sherman

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MJW wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:34 pm
nybf wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:48 am

CJ Henderson was traded on Sep 27. Sherman signed on Sep 29. That's not an example of opportunity cost. But sure, let's pretend BLT is dumb.
How does that timeline invalidate the idea that Sherman represented an opportunity cost? Even if the choice was only between the two of them (which it wasn't?)

And I have no idea if BLT is dumb or not, but he has yet to contribute anything within my field of vision I'd call "intelligent."
Here is what you said.
MJW wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:43 pm
nybf wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:11 pm Yeah, pretty much everyone saw this coming. But what did they lose, 500k? Big deal. 10 x out of 10 you do that again.
Presumably there's the opportunity cost of whoever we might have pursued instead. But we can only speculate on that.

I wish we'd pushed harder for Gilmore, but it's entirely possible that a) the Patriots had no interest in helping the TB12 dynasty and b) Gilmore wanted to play in Carolina (being from SC) and the Patriots honored his wishes.

CJ Henderson would have been interesting also.

But, it is what it is. If CB and SMB come back (and stay) healthy for the stretch run, none of this really matters. We'll go back to being three deep at corner with one of the best 4th corners in the league in Cockrell.
The opportunity cost of whoever we might have pursued instead of Sherman.

"But we can only speculate on that."

You then went on to speculate about Gilmore and Henderson. Unless you just brought them up as a non sequitur.

We didn't miss out on Henderson because we signed Sherman.
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MJW wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:34 pm
nybf wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:48 am

CJ Henderson was traded on Sep 27. Sherman signed on Sep 29. That's not an example of opportunity cost. But sure, let's pretend BLT is dumb.
And I have no idea if BLT is dumb or not, but he has yet to contribute anything within my field of vision I'd call "intelligent."
I guess we are more similar than I thought then.
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Does Sherman even come back at this point?
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Defense5599 wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:50 pm Does Sherman even come back at this point?
That title defense isn't getting any easier. You bring him back and manage your expectations accordingly
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Re: Bucs reached out to Sherman

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nybf wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:53 pm
MJW wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:34 pm

How does that timeline invalidate the idea that Sherman represented an opportunity cost? Even if the choice was only between the two of them (which it wasn't?)

And I have no idea if BLT is dumb or not, but he has yet to contribute anything within my field of vision I'd call "intelligent."
Here is what you said.
MJW wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:43 pm

Presumably there's the opportunity cost of whoever we might have pursued instead. But we can only speculate on that.

I wish we'd pushed harder for Gilmore, but it's entirely possible that a) the Patriots had no interest in helping the TB12 dynasty and b) Gilmore wanted to play in Carolina (being from SC) and the Patriots honored his wishes.

CJ Henderson would have been interesting also.

But, it is what it is. If CB and SMB come back (and stay) healthy for the stretch run, none of this really matters. We'll go back to being three deep at corner with one of the best 4th corners in the league in Cockrell.
The opportunity cost of whoever we might have pursued instead of Sherman.

"But we can only speculate on that."

You then went on to speculate about Gilmore and Henderson. Unless you just brought them up as a non sequitur.

We didn't miss out on Henderson because we signed Sherman.
I have no idea where the burn is here.

We were going to add a corner.

Unless our front office is incompetent, they weighed each and every viable option. They didn't figure out they were looking to add a corner on the day Sherman was signed. They likely started having those conversations when SMB's elbow exploded.

The opportunity cost of adding Sherman was every corner we could have added instead. Can I prove Henderson and Gilmore were part of that conversation? No. I wasn't in the room. But "You can't prove the logical thing" is next-level Bootz.
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Re: Bucs reached out to Sherman

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BLT wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:24 am
MJW wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:34 pm

And I have no idea if BLT is dumb or not, but he has yet to contribute anything within my field of vision I'd call "intelligent."
I guess we are more similar than I thought then.
Only in the same we're both aware you're an idiot.
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MJW wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:23 am
nybf wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:53 pm

Here is what you said.



The opportunity cost of whoever we might have pursued instead of Sherman.

"But we can only speculate on that."

You then went on to speculate about Gilmore and Henderson. Unless you just brought them up as a non sequitur.

We didn't miss out on Henderson because we signed Sherman.
I have no idea where the burn is here.

We were going to add a corner.

Unless our front office is incompetent, they weighed each and every viable option. They didn't figure out they were looking to add a corner on the day Sherman was signed. They likely started having those conversations when SMB's elbow exploded.

The opportunity cost of adding Sherman was every corner we could have added instead. Can I prove Henderson and Gilmore were part of that conversation? No. I wasn't in the room. But "You can't prove the logical thing" is next-level Bootz.
I can prove that Henderson was not an opportunity cost of adding Sherman because Henderson was traded before we signed Sherman. We did not miss out on Henderson because we signed Sherman. The timeline makes that obvious.
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MJW wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:24 am
BLT wrote: Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:24 am

I guess we are more similar than I thought then.
Only in the same we're both aware you're an idiot.
Riiight. I'm not the one that wanted to let go of Fournette for a rotational DT...
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Is this Pete character British. What American man calls another man a cunt? Fucking weird, man.
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Sherman is slated to play at safety once he returns from IR.
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Defense5599 wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:52 pm Sherman is slated to play at safety once he returns from IR.
That is quite the leap from what everyone else is reporting.
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nybf wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:29 pm
Defense5599 wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 12:52 pm Sherman is slated to play at safety once he returns from IR.
That is quite the leap from what everyone else is reporting.
I found this on twitter, so it must be true.

Kidding aside, Arians mentioned it today at his presser

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I’m looking forward to seeing that. Wait, no I’m not.
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Training a 33yo career CB to play safety in December.

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That's got to be just BA being BA. Akin to most people passing gas.
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I don't like the fit of Sherman being a Safety.

He's never been that fluid or explosive of an athlete like most older CBs who make the transition.

He'd probably be ok as a deep safety or m2m on a TE. But otherwise I don't see Sherman as a very well rounded athlete.
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Dread wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 3:24 pm I don't like the fit of Sherman being a Safety.

He's never been that fluid or explosive of an athlete like most older CBs who make the transition.

He'd probably be ok as a deep safety or m2m on a TE. But otherwise I don't see Sherman as a very well rounded athlete.
Sherman is definitely the Shady McCoy is 2021. Useless vet past his prime trying to get another ring.
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It's the rare player who transitions from corner to safety, but the great ones can manage it. Off the top of my head, Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, Ronnie Lott.

It'll be interesting to see if Sherman can make that adjustment.
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Cheb wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:46 pm It's the rare player who transitions from corner to safety, but the great ones can manage it. Off the top of my head, Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, Ronnie Lott.

It'll be interesting to see if Sherman can make that adjustment.
McCourty transitioned from CB to Safety and he's pretty good. That was a long time ago though.
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We could use DB help in a lot of spots. I really don't care where they move him around. If Sherman is out there playing safety for the first time for us that tells you just how bad the alternative must be. We're already thin in the secondary and this Mike Edwards situation doesn't help.
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Cheb wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:46 pm It's the rare player who transitions from corner to safety, but the great ones can manage it. Off the top of my head, Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, Ronnie Lott.

It'll be interesting to see if Sherman can make that adjustment.
Guarantee none of them did it in the final full month of the season coming off of an injury. I truly do not expect this to bode well.
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King Bootz wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:44 pm
Cheb wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:46 pm It's the rare player who transitions from corner to safety, but the great ones can manage it. Off the top of my head, Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, Ronnie Lott.

It'll be interesting to see if Sherman can make that adjustment.
Guarantee none of them did it in the final full month of the season coming off of an injury. I truly do not expect this to bode well.
Not to my knowledge.

But given that Edwards is out for a few weeks and Whitehead is injured, I would rather trust Sherman at the backup safety spot as opposed to Ross Cockrell or whomever.

He's a smart guy and a willing tackler. This should help mitigate his declining long speed that was showing when he was starting at left corner for us earlier this year, and hopefully will give him opportunities on tips and blitzes. One could argue that he could be excellent if all he did was cover finesse tight ends, which I would be totally fine with.

We'll see.
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Dread wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:45 pm
nybf wrote: Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:29 pm

That is quite the leap from what everyone else is reporting.
I found this on twitter, so it must be true.

Kidding aside, Arians mentioned it today at his presser

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Seems we haven't wanted him to play at all since signing him.

#SmartSigning

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He hopes he doesn't have to play because that would mean they have had starters go down. Why are we acting like they gave Sherman a 5 year 90 million dollar deal?
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King Bootz wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:44 pm Seems we haven't wanted him to play at all since signing him.

#SmartSigning

I'm trying to think of a good analogy here.

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Redrum wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:40 pm He hopes he doesn't have to play because that would mean they have had starters go down. Why are we acting like they gave Sherman a 5 year 90 million dollar deal?
Our favorite ESPN has him listed over Davis on the depth chart.
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mdb1958 wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 8:19 pm
Redrum wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:40 pm He hopes he doesn't have to play because that would mean they have had starters go down. Why are we acting like they gave Sherman a 5 year 90 million dollar deal?
Our favorite ESPN has him listed over Davis on the depth chart.
They're more concerned with politics than sports these days.
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IchabodCrane84 wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:42 pm
King Bootz wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:44 pm Seems we haven't wanted him to play at all since signing him.

#SmartSigning

I'm trying to think of a good analogy here.

I'm gonna take this condom with me, but hopefully I don't have to use it.
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Redrum wrote: Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:40 pm He hopes he doesn't have to play because that would mean they have had starters go down. Why are we acting like they gave Sherman a 5 year 90 million dollar deal?
Seems BA is acting like that. I mean how many coaches say they “hope” they don’t have to use a player? Why even bring attention to that at all?
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