Buccaneers @ Patriots Discussion

[MJW]

Any predictions on who misses the Pats game?

Miller for sure. Dean looks unlikely to play. JPP I'm worried about as well.

Tryon is frustrating to watch because you can see the talent is there, he's just simply not ready to win the chess match yet.

[King Bootz]

Miller for sure. Dean looks unlikely to play. JPP I'm worried about as well.

Tryon is frustrating to watch because you can see the talent is there, he's just simply not ready to win the chess match yet.

He’s the 32nd overall pick who sat out last year. It shouldn’t be frustrating nor surprising that’s he’s not ready to win the chess match yet. Most everyone acknowledged and understood this when he was drafted in April. No one was expecting him to contribute much this year. This was supposed to be a learning year for him.

So what happened? The same thing that happens damn near every single year. Tryon displayed 1 quality trait in a preseason game against guys trying to find jobs and people fell in love. Expectations went through the roof. All of a sudden overnight Tryon went from a future potential replacement for JPP to a guy with “#1 overall type twitch”……”hard to see him not contributing this year”………”He’s so dynamic and explosive”. People oursmarted themselves when it came to him. The work everyone knew he still had to do was pushed to the side. Yes, he has talent. But right now he’s way more athlete than he is football player. He has great motor, great abilities yet no discipline. He’s a mess technically. He doesn’t use his hands worth a damn and washes himself out of plays.

So it’s back to April and those expectations. He’s a guy that needs work and should be allowed time to get it together. The preseason was almost a negative for him in that the Bengals game out unrealistic outlandish expectations on him. Give the kid time.

[mdb1958]

Well Bootz, if our three big guys on defense could be known for more than just run defense. Pretty sure these guys know when its a pass - most of the time. Most.

[mdb1958]

Something to ponder on.

First three games last year - 28.5 TFL's
The three this year - 7 TFL's

2-1 record both years.


Do we want it!

[mdb1958]

For the record.

108.5 TFL's in 2020

[Grahamburn]

Something to ponder on.

First three games last year - 28.5 TFL's
The three this year - 7 TFL's

2-1 record both years.


Do we want it!

They faced New Orleans, Carolina, and Denver the first 3 games last year. How many more rushing attempts were there?

[Jason Bourne]

Something to ponder on.

First three games last year - 28.5 TFL's
The three this year - 7 TFL's

2-1 record both years.


Do we want it!

Also teams are not running the ball as much and getting rid of the ball much quicker

[Grahamburn]

The Saints ran it. Carolina tried. Denver didn’t. 72 rushes in the first 3 games in 2020.

62 in 3 games this year. Including QBs. Most of those being LA in the second half. Sony Michel had 20 carries for 67 yards.

Teams aren’t even trying to establish the run. They’re smart not to.

I don’t think TFL’s are indicative of how much this team “wants it.”

[MJW]

Tryon is frustrating to watch because you can see the talent is there, he's just simply not ready to win the chess match yet.

He’s the 32nd overall pick who sat out last year. It shouldn’t be frustrating nor surprising that’s he’s not ready to win the chess match yet. Most everyone acknowledged and understood this when he was drafted in April. No one was expecting him to contribute much this year. This was supposed to be a learning year for him.

So what happened? The same thing that happens damn near every single year. Tryon displayed 1 quality trait in a preseason game against guys trying to find jobs and people fell in love. Expectations went through the roof. All of a sudden overnight Tryon went from a future potential replacement for JPP to a guy with “#1 overall type twitch”……”hard to see him not contributing this year”………”He’s so dynamic and explosive”. People oursmarted themselves when it came to him. The work everyone knew he still had to do was pushed to the side. Yes, he has talent. But right now he’s way more athlete than he is football player. He has great motor, great abilities yet no discipline. He’s a mess technically. He doesn’t use his hands worth a damn and washes himself out of plays.

So it’s back to April and those expectations. He’s a guy that needs work and should be allowed time to get it together. The preseason was almost a negative for him in that the Bengals game out unrealistic outlandish expectations on him. Give the kid time.

You're reading a lot into an obvious one-sentence observation.

It's frustrating seeing a talented player who is close to being able to make plays, but can't quite get it done yet.

I didn't say it was unexpected. I didn't say it was shocking. I didn't say we didn't see it coming based on his college career or draft program. Yes, sane people are excited about his traits. No, reasonable people did not see him being forced into action in September and dominating. Nobody said that. And as far as contributing? He is. Despite his issues, he's playing better than Cam Gill or whoever would be.

Egads. Calm down.

[mdb1958]

So, bringing in vet CB's, do we see experience or confusion?

[AJPG]

If the team that showed up to LA lands in New England, Tom will have to score 35 because Jones is about to throw for 4 TDs and look like a world beater.

Eveb if we sign Sherman today, can he really be that much of a factor?

Scary game vs the Patriots. We absolutely should win easily but this Bucs team is suspect at best right now.

Given how emotional and scared you are, I assume your wife wears the pants in your home?

[King Bootz]

This is becoming much more concerning.

[Snake]

Looks like an AC joint sprain/separation.

[King Bootz]

Looks like an AC joint sprain/separation.

I have no idea how serious that is but it sounds like a multi week missing injury.

Try 8-12 weeks. If @Snake is right, it would seem he is honestly, JPP must be opting for the rehab approach as opposed to the surgery approach, which would most certainly end his season.

[King Bootz]

Jaime Collins was just released *shrug*

[Snake]

Try 8-12 weeks. If @Snake is right, it would seem he is honestly, JPP must be opting for the rehab approach as opposed to the surgery approach, which would most certainly end his season.

Well, that's fucked. As if the pass rush wasn't already having issues.

If that's true, and we're without JPP for basically the whole season save for maybe a playoff appearance, do we need to make a move for an edge rusher?

I’m more optimistic about the timeline. If that is indeed what’s going on. The same way I was optimistic about the Colts foot surgeries. Around the clock treatment availability helps. PEDs help. The problem with AC joints is you can’t “pro athlete work ethic” rush the treatment process like a ligament tear where athletes come back in 1/2 the time of a normal person. It’s basically rest and basic range of motion exercises until it tightens back up (IF it does). So, optimistic, but not superhuman optimism.

[mdb1958]

I've noticed fake JB can post much more now, even in Singapore.

[Dread]

Hopefully JPP can return this season. He can rest/rehab the next 2 months if needed and hopefully return in December for the stretch run to give our pass rush some juice.

But as long as Tryon and Shaq stay healthy, I'm fine rolling with those 2 as the EDGE guys. Tryon getting reps is a good thing, it should flatten the learning curve so that he's a more effective player come Dec-Jan.

[King Bootz]

Doesn't sound like Sherman is going to play this game. We'll see. Also Dean practiced today so that's good news.

[13F11B]

Given what we are hearing on the injury front I am still leaning towards a Patriots victory and mass panic in the Tampa area on Monday morning.

[13F11B]

We need to not see this type of play.

[Max]

Devin has been an absolute disaster so far. He needs to step up.

[Snake]

Devin has been an absolute disaster so far. He needs to step up.

100%. Though his splashes tend to come in bunches.

[King Bootz]

Devin has been an absolute disaster so far. He needs to step up.

100%. Though his splashes tend to come in bunches.

As much as I love him, his splashes are part of why most of us believe he's better than he probably is. At his core, he's still very undisciplined. He doesn't have a natural feel for the game nor does he have even average instincts. He's a freak athlete who relies on his 4.4 speed to get the job done. I was hoping to see a continuation of his playoff performance but it has yet to materialize.

[13F11B]

As much as I love him, his splashes are part of why most of us believe he's better than he probably is. At his core, he's still very undisciplined. He doesn't have a natural feel for the game nor does he have even average instincts. He's a freak athlete who relies on his 4.4 speed to get the job done. I was hoping to see a continuation of his playoff performance but it has yet to materialize.
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Can you imagine if we could take Antoine Winfield Junior's instincts and pair them with Devin White's atheltic ability?

[The Outsider]

Eh, Devin is still really young. He's pretty good for only having played LB for like 4 or 5 years. I'll start getting worried if he's making the same mistakes on a consistent basis in a year or two.

[Dread]

The negative Nancys are back with their Devin White slander I see.

I guess the crow was so delicious from a last offseason that people are ready for more.

[Snake]

The negative Nancys are back with their Devin White slander I see.

I guess the crow was so delicious from a last offseason that people are ready for more.

What crow is that? Allowing 90% completion percentage in coverage and missed tackles?

[Nano]

Devin White is so terrible, that opposing QBs get bulges in their pants when they see he's on the field.

[Dread]

[Cheb]

The negative Nancys are back with their Devin White slander I see.

I guess the crow was so delicious from a last offseason that people are ready for more.

Well, can you really blame them?

Devin White has two excellent qualities; incredible speed for his position and a knack for making big plays. While he has maintained the former, the latter just haven't happened yet.

Don't get me wrong, White has been playing decent ball, but the expectations with him have risen, at least for me. Decent ball just doesn't cut it anymore. I expect to see Devin White the All-Pro talent who makes game changing plays, not Devin White the guy still trying to figure it out.

[King Bootz]

[Dread]

The negative Nancys are back with their Devin White slander I see.

I guess the crow was so delicious from a last offseason that people are ready for more.

Well, can you really blame them?

Devin White has two excellent qualities; incredible speed for his position and a knack for making big plays. While he has maintained the former, the latter just haven't happened yet.

Don't get me wrong, White has been playing decent ball, but the expectations with him have risen, at least for me. Decent ball just doesn't cut it anymore. I expect to see Devin White the All-Pro talent who makes game changing plays, not Devin White the guy still trying to figure it out.

You're just still sour we didn't draft Devin Bush

[Dread]

Medicated LUGZ is the best version

[AJPG]