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Bootz wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 11:15 am This has me excited and this is a MAJOR happening. Game changing players don't request trades in their prime. I can't recall the last time this happened. Whoever gets him, and I'll be honest I want it to be us, will get a substantial upgrade.

Maybe when we traded for Revis?
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Bootz wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 11:15 am This has me excited and this is a MAJOR happening. Game changing players don't request trades in their prime. I can't recall the last time this happened. Whoever gets him, and I'll be honest I want it to be us, will get a substantial upgrade.

Maybe when we traded for Revis?


No boat off the island Revis?
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Could we put together a competitive package for Myles Garrett? Maybe.

Would we meet his idea of what competing for a Superbowl looks like? I mean, we've made the playoffs the last five years, so there's that. But we have only won one playoff game in the last four seasons.

I'm not going to hold my breath. Not because I don't expect our front office to put something together, but because I don't think that this would be his preferred spot.
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Browns have said they aren't trading him.
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Bootz wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 11:10 amGET IT DONE
DO IT
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Sorry. I'd rather bring in some young, talented edge rushers through the draft. This year's draft is pretty deep with edge rushers and corners... both positions of need.
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BuccaNOLEer wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:12 pm Sorry. I'd rather bring in some young, talented edge rushers through the draft. This year's draft is pretty deep with edge rushers and corners... both positions of need.
How have we performed bringing in talented edge rushers in the bottom 3rd of the first round of draft? Or in general?

vs. a proven ELITE tier player in his prime
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Cheb wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:36 pm Could we put together a competitive package for Myles Garrett? Maybe.

Would we meet his idea of what competing for a Superbowl looks like? I mean, we've made the playoffs the last five years, so there's that. But we have only won one playoff game in the last four seasons.

I'm not going to hold my breath. Not because I don't expect our front office to put something together, but because I don't think that this would be his preferred spot.
Not picking nits, but we've won 2 playoff games in the last 4 seasons. We beat the Eagles in 2021 & 2023.

Where do you think he'd prefer to go?
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Bootz wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:19 pm
Cheb wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:36 pm Could we put together a competitive package for Myles Garrett? Maybe.

Would we meet his idea of what competing for a Superbowl looks like? I mean, we've made the playoffs the last five years, so there's that. But we have only won one playoff game in the last four seasons.

I'm not going to hold my breath. Not because I don't expect our front office to put something together, but because I don't think that this would be his preferred spot.
Not picking nits, but we've won 2 playoff games in the last 4 seasons. We beat the Eagles in 2021 & 2023.

Where do you think he'd prefer to go?
Ah, my bad.

No idea. To presumably a better team than ours.

Would be happy to be proved wrong, though.
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BuccaNOLEer wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:43 pm Browns have said they aren't trading him.
Its February. Of course they're saying that now. The new league year isn't even here yet and they can't make any agreements now. It hurts them to announce they'll honor his request. They'll be looking for the best package available.
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Its a short list. Even then the numbers have to work out too. Shorter list.

Honestly, we've been so good at building this team through the draft I'm done to stick to that. It's a nice class.

We've also been good at hitting on these older edge FAs too. There's a few good ones probably hitting the market.
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Cheb wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:36 pm Could we put together a competitive package for Myles Garrett? Maybe.

Would we meet his idea of what competing for a Superbowl looks like? I mean, we've made the playoffs the last five years, so there's that. But we have only won one playoff game in the last four seasons.

I'm not going to hold my breath. Not because I don't expect our front office to put something together, but because I don't think that this would be his preferred spot.
I tend to agree that I would doubt we’re a major player for his services and also doubt we’d meet the criteria he’d be looking for in a destination.

I also think from a team building perspective the resources may be better spent on other free agents plus the picks.
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Doctor wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:51 pm Its a short list. Even then the numbers have to work out too. Shorter list.

Honestly, we've been so good at building this team through the draft I'm done to stick to that. It's a nice class.

We've also been good at hitting on these older edge FAs too. There's a few good ones probably hitting the market.
Not going to argue that any of the FAs or rookies will come close to Myles’ impact but this looks like a good year to be in the market for help at that spot.
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Doctor wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:51 pm Its a short list. Even then the numbers have to work out too. Shorter list.

Honestly, we've been so good at building this team through the draft I'm done to stick to that. It's a nice class.

We've also been good at hitting on these older edge FAs too. There's a few good ones probably hitting the market.
Let's not pretend that we all forgot how we won our 2nd Superbowl. Brady. Gronk. AB. Fournette. JPP. Shaq. Suh. Jensen. OBP knew they had to dip into FA to get this team over the top and did so. I don't think they'd be afraid to do so again if they felt a specific player could help get them over the top.
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George Edwards is so bad at his job he could turn Myles Garrett in to Noah Spence.
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Al Bundy wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 2:20 pm George Edwards is so bad at his job he could turn Myles Garrett in to Noah Spence.
Edwards coaches LBs. Garrett is an end.

That said, I doubt Myles Garrett will need to re-learn how to play football.
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Aiden Hutchinson + Garret would be a wrecking crew.
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Bootz wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 2:12 pm Let's not pretend that we all forgot how we won our 2nd Superbowl. Brady. Gronk. AB. Fournette. JPP. Shaq. Suh. Jensen. OBP knew they had to dip into FA to get this team over the top and did so. I don't think they'd be afraid to do so again if they felt a specific player could help get them over the top.
I agree in general, and this would be a fantastic get, but we aren't 1 edge rusher away from a Superbowl winning defense. We still need to bring in ILBs and hope/prey LVD isn't retiring yet.
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Bootz wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 2:12 pm
Doctor wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:51 pm Its a short list. Even then the numbers have to work out too. Shorter list.

Honestly, we've been so good at building this team through the draft I'm done to stick to that. It's a nice class.

We've also been good at hitting on these older edge FAs too. There's a few good ones probably hitting the market.
Let's not pretend that we all forgot how we won our 2nd Superbowl. Brady. Gronk. AB. Fournette. JPP. Shaq. Suh. Jensen. OBP knew they had to dip into FA to get this team over the top and did so. I don't think they'd be afraid to do so again if they felt a specific player could help get them over the top.
Only two of those guys involved trades, and they weren’t multiple first round picks.

Wirfs and Winfield arrived in that 2020 draft. If you trade for Garrett you pass up that opportunity.
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Is an EDGE FA + a 1st and 2nd round rookie + 2026 1st > Myles Garrett?
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So two first and a second with the difference between Mack and Myles?

I would say yes. I think people overhype draft picks. The fact that we hit is grand, but you know Myles is a hit. A devastating one at that. I'd take the sure thing over picks.

But you're trying to bring a holistic view, so in that spirit I don't know. A lot depends on what kind of deal we can get from him and other FA.

If you tell me I can have a Dre, Reddick, and who knows who else JL can squeeze under Myles numbers, and a couple shots at a stud cb in a thick class...

But Myles makes ripples and we've made due with less at DB. Plus Dean and Zyon under contract.
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 3:06 pm Is an EDGE FA + a 1st and 2nd round rookie + 2026 1st > Myles Garrett?
Depends if those picks are defense or offense. On defense, chances are highly likely that's a wasted pick with these coaches.

We might have a window open to win now if our New OC is up to the task and we can bring in enough Defensive talent to generate pressures, sacks and turnovers.

I'd feel much more confident in a win-now move like this if our offense was locked down.
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 3:06 pm Is an EDGE FA + a 1st and 2nd round rookie + 2026 1st > Myles Garrett?
Who's the EDGE FA and who are the draft picks?

1st and 2nd round rookie + next year's 1st could've easily been JTS, Logan Hall & Luke Goedeke. Everybody and their mama would take Garrett over that, no matter who the EDGE FA is.
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Mack was two years younger. He was two 1sts and a 3rd with a 2nd going back to Chicago.

I think it’s two 1sts and a 2nd for Garrett for sure minimum. He’ll also need a highest paid defensive player in the NFL extension as he has no more guaranteed money on his deal. I think the Browns have to take his hit though so this year it would be low for the trading team.

I don’t know. Wondering if Reddick (or Chase Young or Mack or Judon) and being able to retain Godwin plus keeping your picks to get a CB/LB AND a developmental EDGE isn’t a better play?

This seems to be a deep edge draft. Jared Verse was the 19th pick last year…

Garrett is obviously awesome. It would be incredible if they pulled it off. But, it will be expensive. Hyper aggressive roster building has been what works in the NFL lately though.

Except for the Falcons. FTF.
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 5:28 pm plus keeping your picks to get a CB/LB AND a developmental EDGE isn’t a better play?

This seems to be a deep edge draft. Jared Verse was the 19th pick last year…
With different defensive coaches I'd be more inclined to hedge on drafting up some defensive starter talent, but not with this group.

If we want a better defense, and we're not getting better defensive coaches, then we need to bring them in FA or trade.
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I doubt we get him but I hope Licht at least makes a serious effort into making a deal.

I'm guessing he ultimately ends up on the Bills or Lions.
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 5:28 pm Mack was two years younger. He was two 1sts and a 3rd with a 2nd going back to Chicago.

I think it’s two 1sts and a 2nd for Garrett for sure minimum. He’ll also need a highest paid defensive player in the NFL extension as he has no more guaranteed money on his deal. I think the Browns have to take his hit though so this year it would be low for the trading team.

I don’t know. Wondering if Reddick (or Chase Young or Mack or Judon) and being able to retain Godwin plus keeping your picks to get a CB/LB AND a developmental EDGE isn’t a better play?

This seems to be a deep edge draft. Jared Verse was the 19th pick last year…

Garrett is obviously awesome. It would be incredible if they pulled it off. But, it will be expensive. Hyper aggressive roster building has been what works in the NFL lately though.

Except for the Falcons. FTF.
Speaking of Mack, he's a FA this year and still playing at an elite level.
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Did anyone forget about the Simeon Rice trade? That was big
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__Chef__ wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 5:36 pm
Grahamburn wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 5:28 pm plus keeping your picks to get a CB/LB AND a developmental EDGE isn’t a better play?

This seems to be a deep edge draft. Jared Verse was the 19th pick last year…
With different defensive coaches I'd be more inclined to hedge on drafting up some defensive starter talent, but not with this group.

If we want a better defense, and we're not getting better defensive coaches, then we need to bring them in FA or trade.
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Why are people comparing Myles Garrett to Khalil Mack? Mack isnt in that conversation. It's like comparing AJ Brown to Justin Jefferson. Brown is a great player but he's not special in the way JJ is. That's Mack & Garrett.
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Sdbucs wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:18 pm
BuccaNOLEer wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 1:12 pm Sorry. I'd rather bring in some young, talented edge rushers through the draft. This year's draft is pretty deep with edge rushers and corners... both positions of need.
How have we performed bringing in talented edge rushers in the bottom 3rd of the first round of draft? Or in general?

vs. a proven ELITE tier player in his prime
I don’t know if he’s considered elite, but Reddick had 4 double digit sack seasons in a row before basically punting 2024. With a 16 spot as recently as 2022.

Sign him AND draft a young talented guy at 19?
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Bootz wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 6:24 pm Why are people comparing Myles Garrett to Khalil Mack? Mack isnt in that conversation. It's like comparing AJ Brown to Justin Jefferson. Brown is a great player but he's not special in the way JJ is. That's Mack & Garrett.
Mack just had 17 sacks in 2023. He’s also a free agent.
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Phantom wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 6:04 pm Did anyone forget about the Simeon Rice trade? That was big
We signed him, not a trade
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Grahamburn wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 6:27 pm
Bootz wrote: Mon Feb 03, 2025 6:24 pm Why are people comparing Myles Garrett to Khalil Mack? Mack isnt in that conversation. It's like comparing AJ Brown to Justin Jefferson. Brown is a great player but he's not special in the way JJ is. That's Mack & Garrett.
Mack just had 17 sacks in 2023. He’s also a free agent.
Not really relevant in 2025.
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