The OFFICIAL 2024 Bucs off-season thread

[Bootz]

Same old shit. Just be done with him.

[Snake]

Who does this guy think he is, Chris Baker?

[IchabodCrane84]

Sterling Shepard to wear number 25. That's just gross.

Um why?

Because a wide receiver wearing 25 hurts my eyes like Jordan wearing 45.

Although, maybe Shepard's predicting his yardage total for the season.

[mdb1958]

Sterling Shepard to wear number 25. That's just gross.

Um why?

It's a Buc DB number.

[Grahamburn]

Did we guarantee Gregory any money? How dumb.

[Bootz]

Did we guarantee Gregory any money? How dumb.

~$1.4mil or so. He's not untouchable. Between this and the weed lawsuit, not getting off to a good start in Tampa.

[mdb1958]

I was going to say you and PM are both wrong - but you will be right if we cut him.

Exactly. He's here on a 1 year deal with about $1.4mil in guarantees and he ain't that good. He'll be let go before there is any chance he can become a distraction.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/403 ... y-minicamp

[Grahamburn]

Did we guarantee Gregory any money? How dumb.

~$1.4mil or so. He's not untouchable. Between this and the weed lawsuit, not getting off to a good start in Tampa.

How guaranteed is it if you sign a deal and then just don’t show up? What a tool.

[Sdbucs]

Isn't it silly how someone can fail at their job repeatedly and be a total POS but still get paid millions because they're better than the general population at a sport?

The Bucs signed Gregory this offseason to a one-year deal worth $3 million with incentives that bolster it to $5 million

That's not chump change

[Grahamburn]

Isn't it silly how someone can fail at their job repeatedly and be a total POS but still get paid millions because they're better than the general population at a sport?

The Bucs signed Gregory this offseason to a one-year deal worth $3 million with incentives that bolster it to $5 million

That's not chump change

I’m sure there’s something in the CBA protecting teams from this kind of thing.

[Sdbucs]

Isn't it silly how someone can fail at their job repeatedly and be a total POS but still get paid millions because they're better than the general population at a sport?



That's not chump change

I’m sure there’s something in the CBA protecting teams from this kind of thing.

I more mean if I repeatedly failed at my job I would be unemployed and have trouble finding a job.

If you're a great college athlete you can basically bounce around the NFL doing dick all and get paid millions and millions for the next 5-10 years because you were a freak athlete at 21 years old. Kinda silly

[Bootz]

Isn't it silly how someone can fail at their job repeatedly and be a total POS but still get paid millions because they're better than the general population at a sport?

The Bucs signed Gregory this offseason to a one-year deal worth $3 million with incentives that bolster it to $5 million

That's not chump change

More specific

Randy Gregory signed a 1 year , $3,000,000 contract with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, including $1,365,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $3,000,000. In 2024, Gregory will earn a base salary of $1,365,000 and a roster bonus of $1,125,000, while carrying a cap hit of $2,970,000 and a dead cap value of $1,365,000.

[Phantom]

@CannonFire if you want the Buccaneers to fail because of Mayfield, you are not a true Bucs fan. Stay loyal to this team no matter if we struggle or succeed, after all, we endured a decade without making it to the playoffs in 2020

[Grahamburn]

I’m sure there’s something in the CBA protecting teams from this kind of thing.

I more mean if I repeatedly failed at my job I would be unemployed and have trouble finding a job.

If you're a great college athlete you can basically bounce around the NFL doing dick all and get paid millions and millions for the next 5-10 years because you were a freak athlete at 21 years old. Kinda silly

Life ain’t fair.

[CannonFire]

@Phantom, when did I ever say I wanted the Bucs to fail?

[Bootz]

@CannonFire if you want the Buccaneers to fail because of Mayfield, you are not a true Bucs fan. Stay loyal to this team no matter if we struggle or succeed, after all, we endured a decade without making it to the playoffs in 2020

Your gaslighting not withstanding, it doesn't even seem close to what @CannonFire is doing in terms of his criticism of Baker. His concerns are valid and he stands on them, but he doesn't present them as gospel truth.

[Phantom]

@Phantom, when did I ever say I wanted the Bucs to fail?

Your criticism of Mayfield is becoming tedious, we hear you loud and clear, Mayfield is our quarterback, period.

I think the Bucs could secure a Super Bowl victory with Mayfield, and you do not agree right?


Edit: Your comments about Mayfield in unrelated threads, especially the Goff discussion, Really?!


Ok i am done.

[Phantom]

@CannonFire if you want the Buccaneers to fail because of Mayfield, you are not a true Bucs fan. Stay loyal to this team no matter if we struggle or succeed, after all, we endured a decade without making it to the playoffs in 2020

Your gaslighting not withstanding, it doesn't even seem close to what @CannonFire is doing in terms of his criticism of Baker. His concerns are valid and he stands on them, but he doesn't present them as gospel truth.

This is not a matter of concern for you, so please buzz off . Thank you.

[Barnzy]

Same old shit. Just be done with him.

Terrible vet signing from the start.

There's edges out there that have been on the market for cheap that have been more productive and don't carry the same baggage and issues he does. Yet we chose this idiot

[Phantom]

Let's be honest, if we stop being biased the WR the depth is not good. It's in the average area and that's being generous. Nearly every single team has depth WR's they drafted or have signed that are as good or better than what we do.

Depth is not your top couple of guys it's what's after that. McMillan hasn't played a snap, was rated 10th-15th type WR in this draft by most pundits. Palmer I hope can improve this year but as it stands is an average WR at best and he's up against it as a 6th rounder historically speaking. Shepard won't contribute. No one signed him for a reason as he hasn't done anything for 4 years. I'm not even going to discuss Jarrett. He has 4 catches in his career.

If we get an injury to a top guy the season is over. I don't think I'm being negative, more so realistic.

Dude most teams don't even have a true WR#1. We have a should be HOF WR #1, and a top tier WR #2. There are maybe 10 other teams in the NFL that have a duo like ours. And their depth?

Some examples of top offenses WR #3:

Dolphins - OBJ
Cowboys - Jalen Tolbert
Eagles - Parris Campbell
Lions - Kalif Raymond
Bills have "depth" and their WR #1 is Khalil Shakir or their rookie.

None of those situations are anywhere better than ours.

Just ffs our team has such bigger fish to fry than our WR depth.

TE? Bottom 5 in the NFL.
RB? Bottom half of the NFL.
IOL? Bottom half of the NFL.
QB? Bottom half of the NFL.

Getting old hearing complaining about our WR3 of all positions.

This dude get it. Please read this again and again. Folks

Edit: If Evans and Godwin both go down with injuries, we'll be fucked.

[kaimaru]

Who does this guy think he is, Chris Baker?

Do you mean Chris Baked?

[kaimaru]

Isn't it silly how someone can fail at their job repeatedly and be a total POS but still get paid millions because they're better than the general population at a sport?



That's not chump change

More specific

Randy Gregory signed a 1 year , $3,000,000 contract with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, including $1,365,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $3,000,000. In 2024, Gregory will earn a base salary of $1,365,000 and a roster bonus of $1,125,000, while carrying a cap hit of $2,970,000 and a dead cap value of $1,365,000.

He forgot that part of it was a "roster bonus" appearantly

[kaimaru]

Dude most teams don't even have a true WR#1. We have a should be HOF WR #1, and a top tier WR #2. There are maybe 10 other teams in the NFL that have a duo like ours. And their depth?

Some examples of top offenses WR #3:

Dolphins - OBJ
Cowboys - Jalen Tolbert
Eagles - Parris Campbell
Lions - Kalif Raymond
Bills have "depth" and their WR #1 is Khalil Shakir or their rookie.

None of those situations are anywhere better than ours.

Just ffs our team has such bigger fish to fry than our WR depth.

TE? Bottom 5 in the NFL.
RB? Bottom half of the NFL.
IOL? Bottom half of the NFL.
QB? Bottom half of the NFL.

Getting old hearing complaining about our WR3 of all positions.

This dude get it. Please read this again and again. Folks

Edit: If Evans and Godwin both go down with injuries, we'll be fucked.

If your #1 and 2 WR goes down who isn't fucked. That said in underwear football, Bowles pretty much ssid everyone else was behind McMillan as WR3. If you watch 2022 highlights you can see why. Canales came in and wanted to install slowly. He wanted everyone to know the whole playback IN SEASON. Coen threw everything at the players and said sink or swim. McMillan was one that reports are saying Coen and Bowles say learned the playback quickly. I am certain he will be WR3 come opening day

[Doctor]

@CannonFire if you want the Buccaneers to fail because of Mayfield, you are not a true Bucs fan. Stay loyal to this team no matter if we struggle or succeed, after all, we endured a decade without making it to the playoffs in 2020

Your gaslighting not withstanding, it doesn't even seem close to what @CannonFire is doing in terms of his criticism of Baker. His concerns are valid and he stands on them, but he doesn't present them as gospel truth.

He doesn't have concerns he has condemnations. His mind is made up. He just doesn't believe in the retread QB.

Does he want the Bucs to succeed? I'm sure he does. As many of his train of thought would say "succeed in the long run, which means tanking/losing today".

[CannonFire]

@Phantom, when did I ever say I wanted the Bucs to fail?

Your criticism of Mayfield is becoming tedious, we hear you loud and clear, Mayfield is our quarterback, period.

I think the Bucs could secure a Super Bowl victory with Mayfield, and you do not agree right?


Edit: Your comments about Mayfield in unrelated threads, especially the Goff discussion, Really?!


Ok i am done.

Interesting... I'm the problem when I didn't bring him up. Two others did.

Glad you're done. You're passive aggressive complaining is quite childish. Just because I point out other people's inconsistencies and blind homerism, doesn't mean I want the Bucs to lose. It actually shows a greater interest in winning because I'm not blind to the facts about our teams situation and would like to see them improve.

[CannonFire]

@CannonFire if you want the Buccaneers to fail because of Mayfield, you are not a true Bucs fan. Stay loyal to this team no matter if we struggle or succeed, after all, we endured a decade without making it to the playoffs in 2020

Your gaslighting not withstanding, it doesn't even seem close to what @CannonFire is doing in terms of his criticism of Baker. His concerns are valid and he stands on them, but he doesn't present them as gospel truth.

Yeah, "buzz off". @Phantom is having a temper tantrum and doesn't need your facts getting in the way.

[Bootz]

Your gaslighting not withstanding, it doesn't even seem close to what @CannonFire is doing in terms of his criticism of Baker. His concerns are valid and he stands on them, but he doesn't present them as gospel truth.

He doesn't have concerns he has condemnations. His mind is made up. He just doesn't believe in the retread QB.

Does he want the Bucs to succeed? I'm sure he does. As many of his train of thought would say "succeed in the long run, which means tanking/losing today".

I can even agree with this. Maybe his mind is made up on Baker, and I actually believe it is. That still isn't close to what Phantom was trying say about him actively wanting the Bucs to fail. That correlation doesn't fly. I think Logan Hall is trash. That doesn't mean I want to see us have the 32nd ranked defense in the league.

[CannonFire]

Your gaslighting not withstanding, it doesn't even seem close to what @CannonFire is doing in terms of his criticism of Baker. His concerns are valid and he stands on them, but he doesn't present them as gospel truth.

He doesn't have concerns he has condemnations. His mind is made up. He just doesn't believe in the retread QB.

Does he want the Bucs to succeed? I'm sure he does. As many of his train of thought would say "succeed in the long run, which means tanking/losing today".

Completely wrong.... well, mostly wrong. I know what Mayfield is, so yeah, my mind is made up on who he is. This condemnation aspect you point out is not condemnation though, it's defending a point with evidence when the only thing brought up about Mayfield is "hope". It's also bringing up people's inconsistencies.

You're wrong on the tanking/losing today part as well. We don't need to tank or lose today to get better. We (Licht), just needS to be right. I don't think he is.

[CannonFire]

He doesn't have concerns he has condemnations. His mind is made up. He just doesn't believe in the retread QB.

Does he want the Bucs to succeed? I'm sure he does. As many of his train of thought would say "succeed in the long run, which means tanking/losing today".

I can even agree with this. Maybe his mind is made up on Baker, and I actually believe it is. That still isn't close to what Phantom was trying say about him actively wanting the Bucs to fail. That correlation doesn't fly. I think Logan Hall is trash. That doesn't mean I want to see us have the 32nd ranked defense in the league.

Yeah, not that hard is it? I don't get some of these people where you apparently need to be 100% with every player thinking they're good in order to want the team to win.

[Grahamburn]

I can even agree with this. Maybe his mind is made up on Baker, and I actually believe it is. That still isn't close to what Phantom was trying say about him actively wanting the Bucs to fail. That correlation doesn't fly. I think Logan Hall is trash. That doesn't mean I want to see us have the 32nd ranked defense in the league.

Yeah, not that hard is it? I don't get some of these people where you apparently need to be 100% with every player thinking they're good in order to want the team to win.

It's just a matter of perspective. Some Bucs' fans see Baker Mayfield throw a "game losing INT" against the Lions and say this guy just can't get it done. Others see Baker Mayfield continuing to lead his team back and answer a Lions' offense that scored TDs on 3 straight drives in the second half. The Bucs were a few plays away from the NFC Championship game with Baker Mayfield at QB. If the defense makes a few stops we have a good chance to win that game.

That's what I see. We were damn close with Baker and they can build with him. He's young. He's talented.

I think the part that's hard to swallow sometimes is the constant "we have no chance with him" negative tone in your posts when we literally just had a chance with him in his first year here. You don't acknowledge that part. Does he give us a chance? Yeah, he clearly does.

[CannonFire]

Yeah, not that hard is it? I don't get some of these people where you apparently need to be 100% with every player thinking they're good in order to want the team to win.

It's just a matter of perspective. Some Bucs' fans see Baker Mayfield throw a "game losing INT" against the Lions and say this guy just can't get it done. Others see Baker Mayfield continuing to lead his team back and answer a Lions' offense that scored TDs on 3 straight drives in the second half. The Bucs were a few plays away from the NFC Championship game with Baker Mayfield at QB. If the defense makes a few stops we have a good chance to win that game.

That's what I see. We were damn close with Baker and they can build with him. He's young. He's talented.

I think the part that's hard to swallow sometimes is the constant "we have no chance with him" negative tone in your posts when we literally just had a chance with him in his first year here. You don't acknowledge that part. Does he give us a chance? Yeah, he clearly does.

It definitely is a matter of perspective. You see last year and look at it with a pie in the sky attitude where you hope, that things will work out. I see it logically as we squeaked into the playoffs because 1, we had a soft schedule, 2, we got lucky with an easy division, and 3, we were fortunate to play a first round opponent who that quit on their coaches (whom, by they way, got fired in the off season). If you think that's the path to regular success, I'm going to need a lot more examples because I can give you a lot of examples of teams that won 10+ (11+ now with 17-game seasons), games with regular success.

Does he give us a change? No, I don't think he does. I think he's severely limited as a QB and does NOT have the ability to win us 10+ games regularly and be championship contenders. Do I think there's a chance that with a lot of things going our way (see last year), where we can step into a playoff win or 2? Sure... but I'm not banking on that, nor am I willing to agree with the team pumping $50 to $110M into a player to do that.

[mdb1958]

It's just a matter of perspective. Some Bucs' fans see Baker Mayfield throw a "game losing INT" against the Lions and say this guy just can't get it done. Others see Baker Mayfield continuing to lead his team back and answer a Lions' offense that scored TDs on 3 straight drives in the second half. The Bucs were a few plays away from the NFC Championship game with Baker Mayfield at QB. If the defense makes a few stops we have a good chance to win that game.

That's what I see. We were damn close with Baker and they can build with him. He's young. He's talented.

I think the part that's hard to swallow sometimes is the constant "we have no chance with him" negative tone in your posts when we literally just had a chance with him in his first year here. You don't acknowledge that part. Does he give us a chance? Yeah, he clearly does.

It definitely is a matter of perspective. You see last year and look at it with a pie in the sky attitude where you hope, that things will work out. I see it logically as we squeaked into the playoffs because 1, we had a soft schedule, 2, we got lucky with an easy division, and 3, we were fortunate to play a first round opponent who that quit on their coaches (whom, by they way, got fired in the off season). If you think that's the path to regular success, I'm going to need a lot more examples because I can give you a lot of examples of teams that won 10+ (11+ now with 17-game seasons), games with regular success.

Does he give us a change? No, I don't think he does. I think he's severely limited as a QB and does NOT have the ability to win us 10+ games regularly and be championship contenders. Do I think there's a chance that with a lot of things going our way (see last year), where we can step into a playoff win or 2? Sure... but I'm not banking on that, nor am I willing to agree with the team pumping $50 to $110M into a player to do that.

In order for you to have a perspective to use your theory you would have had to own the team.

[Bootz]

Cut. Your. Losses

[mdb1958]

Cut. Your. Losses

Are we now responsible for his mental healthcare?

[Grahamburn]

Cut. Your. Losses

Well. I kind of speculated before that there may be protection in the CBA for teams if they sign a player to guaranteed money, but they never actually show up. If they cut him too early maybe they have no recourse?