Welcome Bucky Irving
Welcome Bucky Irving
Oregon RB
Know nothing about him. Hopefully he gets the RB2 role and compliments White nicely.
Know nothing about him. Hopefully he gets the RB2 role and compliments White nicely.
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Sounds more similar to White than complimentary, but we will see. Might get some run as a kick returner.
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We'll see. Sounds like good potential. Remember how everyone was high on Sean Tucker but then didn't really pan out.
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My issue with this pick is that we still have needs at ILB and outside CB with the departures of Devin White and Carlton Davis. There were two solid CBs on the board, one with the same name as this team. And he continues his trend of mid round RB drafting
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I remember reading a report that the Bucs weren’t interested in TJ Tampa. Seems like a guy the media draft “experts” like more than teams.BuccaNOLEer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:40 pm My issue with this pick is that we still have needs at ILB and outside CB with the departures of Devin White and Carlton Davis. There were two solid CBs on the board, one with the same name as this team. And he continues his trend of mid round RB drafting
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I know nothing about him bit he seems to have really good vision in his highlights.
Hopefully our run game improves this season
Hopefully our run game improves this season
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Overview
Compact and willful, Irving is deeply committed to each run his play-caller trusts him with. He punches above his weight class with excellent contact balance and leg drive to fight through tackles and squeeze every yard out of the run. However, Irving showed a concerning lack of explosiveness at the NFL Scouting Combine. He is frequently in a rush and would rather run through a wall than around it but he does have the agility to make tacklers miss with wide, lateral cuts when he runs with better patience. Irving isn’t ready for NFL protection duties and is a little tight as a route runner, but he catches the ball cleanly. Irving is missing ideal size and explosiveness, which could land him somewhere in the middle rounds of the draft as an average backup.
Strengths
Built low to the ground with bendy lowers and a powerful base.
Decisive downhill charges create a head of steam for what is to come.
Possesses elusive features including spin move and lateral jump cut.
Good run-through power to break tackles and extend the carry.
Only one fumble over 486 carries during his career.
Average hands but makes an impression on the stat sheet as a pass catcher.
Weaknesses
Doesn't have ideal size to take on the heavy collisions he sees each game.
Gets into too much of a hurry and rushes ahead of blocking development.
Feet fly outside his frame during change of direction, limiting cut fluidity.
Below-average press and finesse getting into his run-lane choice.
Needs to improve his protection technique to deal with NFL blitzers.
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Was hoping for the kid out of Wisconsin. Now I'm hoping some kid named "Bucky" can do the job???
Hope he can
Hope he can
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It usually goes that way. People think we have all 300 guys ranked but it's not like that. There are maybe 60 dudes OBP labels as Buc material.Miller4Prez64 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:59 pmBuccaNOLEer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:40 pm My issue with this pick is that we still have needs at ILB and outside CB with the departures of Devin White and Carlton Davis. There were two solid CBs on the board, one with the same name as this team. And he continues his trend of mid round RB drafting
I remember reading a report that the Bucs weren’t interested in TJ Tampa. Seems like a guy the media draft “experts” like more than teams.
Who knows what gets people off. Maybe the wrong comment in a quick interview. Maybe a scorned positional coach.
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I'd call this pick a mixed bag.
Was it who I would have selected? No. Did he show disappointing testing numbers at the combine? For sure. This there a non-zero chance that we just made a mistake? Definitely, especially with the benefit of hindsight as the years go by.
But let's not pretend there aren't things to like about Bucky Irving. He's productive, more quick than fast, makes good decisions, has just one career fumble, can contribute as a receiver, and can power through arm tackles. Do you wish he showed his athleticism more in the predraft process, of course you do, but it's not like he can't run away from defenders. Irving is a good football player, and I think he will contribute to our team as a rookie, taking the load off of White on all three downs if needed.
You know who Bucky Irving reminds me of, both physically and stylistically? Warwick Dunn.
Have some highlights, you negative nancies:
Welcome to Tampa, Bucky.
Was it who I would have selected? No. Did he show disappointing testing numbers at the combine? For sure. This there a non-zero chance that we just made a mistake? Definitely, especially with the benefit of hindsight as the years go by.
But let's not pretend there aren't things to like about Bucky Irving. He's productive, more quick than fast, makes good decisions, has just one career fumble, can contribute as a receiver, and can power through arm tackles. Do you wish he showed his athleticism more in the predraft process, of course you do, but it's not like he can't run away from defenders. Irving is a good football player, and I think he will contribute to our team as a rookie, taking the load off of White on all three downs if needed.
You know who Bucky Irving reminds me of, both physically and stylistically? Warwick Dunn.
Have some highlights, you negative nancies:
Welcome to Tampa, Bucky.
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I can see future commercials with Buckies
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Is Cohen looking for this type of back for his offense? Maybe that was the deciding point.
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Like Darden, but a running back.
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It’s actually crazy how slow he looks on film. Tiny strides going a million miles an hour but going nowhere.
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Thanks @Cheb for the vote of confidence and voice of reason.
His highlights are great. Hope his game translates.
His highlights are great. Hope his game translates.
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Don’t know how much say he had but his guy was there for the taking.Central_Buc wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 2:49 pm Is Cohen looking for this type of back for his offense? Maybe that was the deciding point.
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I would have rather taken the trade offer from the Lions right after the Bucs picked and got the 2025 third rounder.
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Darden played inferior competition and was so small that he realistically had no pro comp. Even notable tiny receiver Brandin Cooks was 2 inches taller and 15 pounds heavier than Darden.
Bucky played against top competition in two different conferences. His average season at Oregon was 214 touches for 1475 total yards and 12 total TDs. Moreover, he has a very similar in his body type and style of play to one of the best running backs in franchise history, at least in my opinion.
Apples and oranges.
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Warrick’s a fun comp and I’m here for it.Cheb wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:50 pmDarden played inferior competition and was so small that he realistically had no pro comp. Even notable tiny receiver Brandin Cooks was 2 inches taller and 15 pounds heavier than Darden.
Bucky played against top competition in two different conferences. His average season at Oregon was 214 touches for 1475 total yards and 12 total TDs. Moreover, he has a very similar in his body type and style of play to one of the best running backs in franchise history, at least in my opinion.
Apples and oranges.
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Let a homie hateCheb wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:50 pmDarden played inferior competition and was so small that he realistically had no pro comp. Even notable tiny receiver Brandin Cooks was 2 inches taller and 15 pounds heavier than Darden.
Bucky played against top competition in two different conferences. His average season at Oregon was 214 touches for 1475 total yards and 12 total TDs. Moreover, he has a very similar in his body type and style of play to one of the best running backs in franchise history, at least in my opinion.
Apples and oranges.
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https://bucswire.usatoday.com/lists/buc ... noles-acc/
Irving is bigger than Dunn. Somehow didn’t remember that he came back and finished his career here.
Irving is bigger than Dunn. Somehow didn’t remember that he came back and finished his career here.
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A thinner CEH.
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Yep...he came back for one final season in '08. Had over 1000 yfs.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:10 pm https://bucswire.usatoday.com/lists/buc ... noles-acc/
Irving is bigger than Dunn. Somehow didn’t remember that he came back and finished his career here.
Don't tread on me
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My issue is not so much about them picking Tampa but the fact that they still had positions of need and there were players on the board that fit those needs but they picked a position that was not a needDoctor wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 2:46 pmIt usually goes that way. People think we have all 300 guys ranked but it's not like that. There are maybe 60 dudes OBP labels as Buc material.Miller4Prez64 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:59 pm
I remember reading a report that the Bucs weren’t interested in TJ Tampa. Seems like a guy the media draft “experts” like more than teams.
Who knows what gets people off. Maybe the wrong comment in a quick interview. Maybe a scorned positional coach.
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Running back isn't/wasn't a need?BuccaNOLEer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:46 pmMy issue is not so much about them picking Tampa but the fact that they still had positions of need and there were players on the board that fit those needs but they picked a position that was not a need
My dude, Rashaad White is a one-man band. Behind him we have a pair of street free agents. White shouldn't take every snap, and even if he did, what would our plan be if/when he got injured after getting an absurd number of touches?
Adding a running back was a smart idea going into the draft and I'm glad we did it.
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Licht does this every year and almost none have panned out. And the jury is still out on White. They could've easily addressed it with UDFA or even the second wave of free agents in June.Cheb wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:00 pmRunning back isn't/wasn't a need?BuccaNOLEer wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:46 pm
My issue is not so much about them picking Tampa but the fact that they still had positions of need and there were players on the board that fit those needs but they picked a position that was not a need
My dude, Rashaad White is a one-man band. Behind him we have a pair of street free agents. White shouldn't take every snap, and even if he did, what would our plan be if/when he got injured after getting an absurd number of touches?
Adding a running back was a smart idea going into the draft and I'm glad we did it.
CB and ILB were bigger needs
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This is a classic Licht RB pick that makes no sense.
They need a lead power back type and he selects a super slow 190 pound guy with better and higher rated RB's on the board.
Why can't he just select the highest rated available? His RB reaches never work out. Ever. His major flaw as a GM
They need a lead power back type and he selects a super slow 190 pound guy with better and higher rated RB's on the board.
Why can't he just select the highest rated available? His RB reaches never work out. Ever. His major flaw as a GM
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I don't disagree with the general philosophical thrust. Licht has never drafted a running back who weighs more than 215, and I doubt that's going to change. He likes scatbacks and all-rounders. Power backs are not nor have they ever been his flavor as a drafter.Barnzy wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:38 pm This is a classic Licht RB pick that makes no sense.
They need a lead power back type and he selects a super slow 190 pound guy with better and higher rated RB's on the board.
Why can't he just select the highest rated available? His RB reaches never work out. Ever. His major flaw as a GM
Interestingly, perhaps the most successful running back of Licht's tenure, Leonard Fournette, played at about 230.
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I don't know about deciding, but if he liked Bucky over Ray, that probably carried weight.Central_Buc wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 2:49 pm Is Cohen looking for this type of back for his offense? Maybe that was the deciding point.
Licht has been through it all and knows football to the level where he understands his coaches, what they like, and what they are trying to do. Then gets the best players he can to empower them to do just that. McVay system doesn't shy away from smaller backs like Henderson or Kyren. I could see Bucky on the Rams, so I get how JL can see him working for Liam.
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I really love his acceleration and decisiveness. He is able to go from a 0 to a 100 in a hurry, even though his 100 is more a 60. He's definitely a different type of runner than most guys we've had since Doug Martin in his rookie year.
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Every Bucky I ever knew was tough.