Doctor Diagnosis our Draft

[Doctor]

Team should be really well stocked for the season. Filled a lot of holes and gained a lot of depth in all the right areas. Though there wasn't a player I really agreed with taking all draft. To be fair, I don't have Nakobe Dean's medical records, so I'll give that one a pass. Either way, not the typical kind of swings we're use to seeing. The kind that have built up a bad roster into a good one, but I guess we're looking for something different these days. It's all about winning now.

Logan Hall, DE/DT, Houston - C+

I don't like the trade back. I get that JL had all these guys Llyod (my pick), Wyatt (the popular pick), Cine (my shortlist), and I'm going to guess Karlaftis all in one group along with Hall. He's said as much. He's also said how he'll factor in need when it comes to guys with similar talents. I think he may have had his thumb on the scale a little all draft long given the "win now" mode. It makes sense and honestly, it just takes winning the SB to 100% justify every pick in this draft. That's how it works. But if we took safe win now players and don't win, while missing out on ten year all stars, that's going to suck.

Logan Hall will be a fine player. He fills a starting role right away, will get plenty of snaps. 6 of our 7 starters are homegrown and then there's Shaq. That's GMing. Hall fits everything we are looking for, interior pressure. Play 3T and 5T. With the first round being 50/50, finding a rich man Will Gholston for years is a win. It is. But there were some nice home run upside players we left behind, probably because Hall fit a need more. He does have some great physical upside and maybe he ends up being more than I think he will be. I do think he and Vea can beat up on some linemen. But this was a very safe pick for a win now team that had a big hole in their DL. Combined with our next pick, we now have literally no gaps in the starting line up.

Luke Goedeke, G/OT, Central Michigan - A

Another need plugged right up. I don't know anything about him and Licht has more than earned any benefit of the doubt when it comes to drafting OL here. I really liked a guy like Dean (worth the medical risk), Travis Jones, or Bama's Harris. But we needed a OG. And he's probably going to be great so yay! Best/worse case we get playoff Stinnie and Luke's a great back up across the line. Help us avoid a Wells disaster should Wirfs ever go down again. Our OL is now pretty thick. Honestly, he's probably another home run OL.

Rachaad White, RB, Arizona State - C

Meh. Another classic JL RB like all those who have come before him. "He'll be our third down specialist and get more carries". Well I hope he does. We've been trying this "late round RB are a dime a dozen" thing for years now. I will give you this, I absolutely love this kids moxy. I do. He's plucky. The way he runs, he's having fun playing keep away and it makes him very slippery. He's not fast fast. He's fast enough fast if he takes the right angles. We do need a great pass catching RB badly to finally unlock that last part of this playbook. Hopefully he's it. I'm rooting for him.

Cade Otton, TE, Washington - C+

Again, another easy plug and play need. Brate is a fine starter, we've done a lot worse. Otton gives us a nice young athletic option. And no, if Otton had any impact on Gronk we would've taken him in the first, not here. He's a cheap OJ replacement. Literally just shoring up the weak spots on the ship. Perrion Winfrey was sitting right there. Coby Bryant too!

Jake Camarda, P, Georgia - F

Stop. I defended the Aguayo pick as a moment of weakness thinking you are decade-solving a position that cost us so many games with missed kicks with a guy that has a historic college run but this? There's so much talent still on the board. I get it, Pinion looks really bad last year and this kid has a killer hang time but really? Like this guy better be putting it inside the five once a game. How often are we even punting FFS? This is usually the part in the draft Licht is swinging big for like a Calvin Austin type guy. Maybe more OL like Kinnard. I don't get this pick.

Zyon McCollum, CB, Sam Houston State - A+

This is my kind of Licht pick. Why didn't we take him with the last pick? Was the punter worth a future 4th? That's what this equates to.
Anyways McCollum is a crazy athlete, sum have him graded as the top one of the last 35 years. That's what I'm talking about. Zyon will set the pace for Dean and SMB who are fighting for extensions. Gives us more depth and a great piece to play match up with for the faster WRs of the league. Love this pick. Hear he has t-rex arms though.

Ko Kieft, TE, Minnesota - D

Essentially a 6th linemen that will let us run plenty of sneaky, "ha! he's catching it" plays. I mean, to be fair I guess he may actually be our best blocking TE now by default so there is that.

Andre Anthony, EDGE, LSU- C

Final need met. Rotational edge rusher. I was rooting for Rasheed Walker here, but go figure he goes one pick behind us.



OVERALL: C

Not a great showing by Licht. He took a lot of safe doubles in this one using it to shore up a lot of positions instead of trying to find the future superstars of tomorrow. He did nail that goal though. You look across our starters, not a hole to be found. There are even some thick depth spots. And honestly, if we win another trophy, it's the right play. But if not then I think he may have left some really great ten-year franchise stars on the board. But hey, we got 3 starters, possibly 5 with some surprises. Can't complain about that I guess.

[acmillis]

Let’s grade a draft before anyone have even taken a snap…Yayyyyy!

[BJJ34]

Let’s grade a draft before anyone have even taken a snap…Yayyyyy!

And cockily doubt the GM who built a SB roster !

Yay.

I’m cool.

[Doctor]

Let’s grade a draft before anyone have even taken a snap…Yayyyyy!

There's literally a billion-dollar industry for this. And a message board.

[Snake]

Sounds about right. I’d lean D+.

If McCollum is a total bum and it’s obvious early, it can get ugly. If the punter somehow doesn’t make the roster or gets cut mid-season…

[13F11B]

To be fair the Gay guy we picked ended up winning a Super Bowl. Licht didn't get the pick wrong, right? That Gay guy just knew Desantis was going to pass the 'Don't say gay" law and had to go to LA where he would be accepted.

(humor folks, humor)

[King Bootz]

There's not much long term upside in this draft. Everyone except McCollum and perhaps Hall seem like players who have already reached their low ceilings.

[Backside]

I gave out 32 ‘Incomplete’ grades.

[MJW]

There's not much long term upside in this draft. Everyone except McCollum and perhaps Hall seem like players who have already reached their low ceilings.

We drafted a lot of football players instead of athletes. I'm fine with that.

[Doctor]

There's not much long term upside in this draft. Everyone except McCollum and perhaps Hall seem like players who have already reached their low ceilings.

We drafted a lot of football players instead of athletes. I'm fine with that.

Eh. I wouldn't really say that either.

[Miller4Prez64]

I think we drafted a player at every area of need. A interior defensive lineman, a guard, a third down back, a tight end, corner depth and even seemingly upgraded at punter. Considering we have one more year with Brady I don’t blame the front office for worrying about how guys can fill the roster right away.

I don’t think any of these guys end up stars, but we were never in position to get premium talent this year anyways. I think we made the best of it for the most part. I disagree with the punter decision, but otherwise whelmed. If Hall ends up a good rotational lineman, Goedeke ends up being a plus starting guard and Camarda holds down punting without making us angry then it will be a good draft for us.

[Cheb]

While I struggle to say this draft was an A, I would say it's a solid B.

What were our biggest hurdles for the Superbowl run entering the draft, from a roster construction perspective?

- A starting-quality interior defensive lineman who can be the 3-tech in nickel. Check.
- Legit young competition at left guard to keep Brady upright and healthy. Check.
- A promising young runningback with passing game ability, could get a few hundred snaps if he plays his cards right. Check.
- A practically empty tight end room. Check and check again.
- A cheap young punter with kickoff capabilities who won't kick the ball off out of bounds twice in the playoffs against the Rams, which resulted in two huge penalties. Check.
- Athleticism and depth at corner to futureproof the defense and in case of injuries like we had last year. Check.

Jason had a shopping list for the draft and it was pretty identical to one I would write, and in about the right order of priority. Over the last few days, he's brought home some promising young players. Maybe I would have zigged where he zagged, but I trust the man.

B grade, borderline B plus.

Go Bucs.

[Redrum]

I agree with others that on paper this draft improved roster competition at our weakest positions. I think at least 3 of these players will end up being quality starters. If they hit on the CB ot will most likely be a great draft.

[The Outsider]

There's not much long term upside in this draft. Everyone except McCollum and perhaps Hall seem like players who have already reached their low ceilings.

Considering Goedeke has a lot of room to improve in terms of technique in the passing game and the fact that he's a physically ridiculous specimen it's kind of stupid to think his ceiling is lower than Cappa at worst or even Marpet.

Y'all can quote me on this shit: Goedeke is going to go in to the season as the starter at whatever G position Shaq Mason doesn't play and barring injury he'll have the spot locked down for the season. He may be the weakest point on the line this year, but that will be solely due to his lack of experience.

[mdb1958]

I wonder what this draft would look like if Brady didnt return.

[Primeminister]

There's not much long term upside in this draft. Everyone except McCollum and perhaps Hall seem like players who have already reached their low ceilings.

Considering Goedeke has a lot of room to improve in terms of technique in the passing game and the fact that he's a physically ridiculous specimen it's kind of stupid to think his ceiling is lower than Cappa at worst or even Marpet.

Y'all can quote me on this shit: Goedeke is going to go in to the season as the starter at whatever G position Shaq Mason doesn't play and barring injury he'll have the spot locked down for the season. He may be the weakest point on the line this year, but that will be solely due to his lack of experience.

Same here. Goedeke will be the best pick in this draft. I’d never heard of this kid before we drafted him, but watching his tape over the past day I think we nailed a long term starter. I like his nasty attitude paired with his physicality. Goedeke and Mason are also plus run blockers which will make life easier for Lenny & the new rook.

I believe by season’s end fans will love this pick.

[The Outsider]

Considering Goedeke has a lot of room to improve in terms of technique in the passing game and the fact that he's a physically ridiculous specimen it's kind of stupid to think his ceiling is lower than Cappa at worst or even Marpet.

Y'all can quote me on this shit: Goedeke is going to go in to the season as the starter at whatever G position Shaq Mason doesn't play and barring injury he'll have the spot locked down for the season. He may be the weakest point on the line this year, but that will be solely due to his lack of experience.

Same here. Goedeke will be the best pick in this draft. I’d never heard of this kid before we drafted him, but watching his tape over the past day I think we nailed a long term starter. I like his nasty attitude paired with his physicality. Goedeke and Mason are also plus run blockers which will make life easier for Lenny & the new rook.

I believe by season’s end fans will love this pick.

Same. And literally how I felt about Marpet, Cappa, Godwin, and Vea. Granted I knew a little about Godwin and Vea before the draft but not a ton. I'm not a huge pre-draft guy these days. But Marpet and Cappa, virtually no one had heard of.

[King Bootz]

There's not much long term upside in this draft. Everyone except McCollum and perhaps Hall seem like players who have already reached their low ceilings.

Considering Goedeke has a lot of room to improve in terms of technique in the passing game and the fact that he's a physically ridiculous specimen it's kind of stupid to think his ceiling is lower than Cappa at worst or even Marpet.

Y'all can quote me on this shit: Goedeke is going to go in to the season as the starter at whatever G position Shaq Mason doesn't play and barring injury he'll have the spot locked down for the season. He may be the weakest point on the line this year, but that will be solely due to his lack of experience.

So much hinges on him actually improving as a pass protector. And ridiculous physical specimen? Not so much. He lacks the desired length to play tackle, which is why he's being pushed inside. That's not something that can be taught.

I don't even think it's a guarantee he wins the starting G job. So many were high on Stinnie and even felt he'd replace Cappa or Marpet. Goedeke is relatively new to Oline in general and will be learning a new spot. He's more likely this year's Robert Hainsey moreso than he is an Ali or Alex.

[Snake]

The 32" arms on Goedeke present potential problems, particularly at OT. Cappa also had short arms, but as a general rule, the short arms aren't optimal.

[King Bootz]

Let's take a trip down memory lane. Ali Marpet was a media darling before the draft started. He didn't just excel in DIII. He dominated. He was named the league's offensive player of the year as a Left tackle. Everybody who followed the draft had heard of him. His technique was top notch and he had the ability to play all 5 spots on the line due to relatively long arms and his technique.

Cappa, while less talked about, was an amazing athlete with great measureables.

Goedeke doesn't have the technique or length Marpet does. And he's not the fluid athlete Cappa is. Both of those guys came from small school but they had more to work with than Goedeke does at this point. His floor is lower and IMO so is his ceiling. Time will tell, but I don't think he follows in their footsteps ultimately.

[Snake]

Bootz, if the dominant small school iOL was a market inefficiency before, I think the Patriots were the ones who took advantage this draft. Except, they drafted the guy in the first round instead of waiting. The word seems to be out on these guys now.

[real bucs fan]

After a couple of days of thinking about it, I’m pretty pleased. Hall will be a nice piece for our future front 7 along with Vea, White, and JTS. Goedeke I’ll trust Licht with since he nailed Marpet and Cappa. White was a bit of a reach, but hopefully Licht finally hits on one of these RBs. Otton I like as a future starter who can contribute Day 1 so great value on Day 3. Zion was good value based on numbers alone. That punter better be good, and won’t really comment on the other guys.

[mdb1958]

Most boards had Goedeke as a OT, a few pushed him up about where he got picked. Need made them panic but you know what - if he becomes a good lineman it wont matter.

All his snaps were RT so he has his work cut out for him.

[The Outsider]

Considering Goedeke has a lot of room to improve in terms of technique in the passing game and the fact that he's a physically ridiculous specimen it's kind of stupid to think his ceiling is lower than Cappa at worst or even Marpet.

Y'all can quote me on this shit: Goedeke is going to go in to the season as the starter at whatever G position Shaq Mason doesn't play and barring injury he'll have the spot locked down for the season. He may be the weakest point on the line this year, but that will be solely due to his lack of experience.

So much hinges on him actually improving as a pass protector. And ridiculous physical specimen? Not so much. He lacks the desired length to play tackle, which is why he's being pushed inside. That's not something that can be taught.

I don't even think it's a guarantee he wins the starting G job. So many were high on Stinnie and even felt he'd replace Cappa or Marpet. Goedeke is relatively new to Oline in general and will be learning a new spot. He's more likely this year's Robert Hainsey moreso than he is an Ali or Alex.

I mean, that's like, your opinion, man. But pretty much everything I've seen says that he should be a great run blocker right off rip and that his pass protection deficiencies are almost entirely correctable which isn't surprising because he hasn't spent much time on the O-line in general.

As for his athleticism? Well, he's got the rare combination of speed, size, power, and the ability to use all of those traits to their fullest extent. Some of the most imposing physical players don't live up to it because of their mentality. He is very, very quick for someone with his size. Add his extremely hostile mentality and playing style to that and you have a guy who is at worst going to be a great run blocker. And a lot of his pass blocking deficiencies will be mitigated by a) moving him inside and b) playing between a very good C and at worst an above average tackle both of whom are experienced veterans.

Oh, and playing with the GOAT doesn't hurt.

As for Stinnie? Yeah, he could end up locking up the spot. But he'd have to attain peak 2020-2021 playoff form and maintain it consistently to do so. I think Stinnie is a fine rotational piece for an offensive line and definitely a capable spot starter, but I think the assessment of his rise to starterdom has been tinted by some pewter-colored glasses.

[mdb1958]

I fully expect to hear - John and Sadarius are pushing for time on the field.

[Doctor]

I mean maybe JL has gone back to the same well too many times... but I don't think so. I think Goedeke may be the best of this bunch as well.

[MJW]

Let's take a trip down memory lane. Ali Marpet was a media darling before the draft started. He didn't just excel in DIII. He dominated. He was named the league's offensive player of the year as a Left tackle. Everybody who followed the draft had heard of him. His technique was top notch and he had the ability to play all 5 spots on the line due to relatively long arms and his technique.

Cappa, while less talked about, was an amazing athlete with great measureables.

Goedeke doesn't have the technique or length Marpet does. And he's not the fluid athlete Cappa is. Both of those guys came from small school but they had more to work with than Goedeke does at this point. His floor is lower and IMO so is his ceiling. Time will tell, but I don't think he follows in their footsteps ultimately.

Eh. I trust Licht on linemen in general. And his strengths as a prospect are different than those two guys coming out. He's noted for using his hands well, locking on and finishing blocks, agility as a run blocking, mirroring and walling well as a pass blocker. He seems to have the bully demeanor you look for in a guard. He's not a physical freak, but he is a converted tight end. The two big knocks on him - by far - are his short arms and his medicals.

I read six different scouting reports on him. Some loved him, some saw him as a swing guy. This seems like the fairest of the bunch in terms of strengths and weaknesses:

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/luke ... port-2022/

I would be shocked if he doesn't develop into a plus lineman. Probably not Marpet, but better than Cappa, who was the 5th best lineman on a great line while he was here (and no, I didn't forget about Donovan Smith.)

[Doctor]

It's as honest a swing as you can ask for.

[Ken]

Tremendous take that the former tight end isn't a very good athlete for a guard.

Also, the Bucs weren't even the first team to take a punter in the 4th round. Weird year for punters in general. Think 6 got drafted?

[Primeminister]

Tremendous take that the former tight end isn't a very good athlete for a guard.

Also, the Bucs weren't even the first team to take a punter in the 4th round. Weird year for punters in general. Think 6 got drafted?

Massive oddity. I don’t know WTF happened to make punters so valuable. I’m sure there is some league change that would explain this, but I couldn’t tell you what it is.

[Doctor]

Standards.

It use to be use just wanted a guy who could boot it far. Boot it out of the endzone. Then everyone got one of those.
What's the difference between an 80 yards punt that goes into the endzone and a 40 yard punt that gets fair caught at the 25? There isn't one. The best a touchback punt can be is 25, so now all the margins for an advantage is in getting inside that.

So with everyone having boom kickers, we're now on the hunt for hangtime one. Which are also better coffin corner kickers, who usually just end up with touchbacks or something around the 15 yard line anyway. When it hangs but stays in play there's a better chance of it touching a player and becoming a live ball or ending up inside the 5 setting up a possible safety. Given how big any turnover is to overall victory, and this is a game of inches, people are trying to gain these margins where ever they can be found. Including the punter position.

[Primeminister]

Standards.

It use to be use just wanted a guy who could boot it far. Boot it out of the endzone. Then everyone got one of those.
What's the difference between an 80 yards punt that goes into the endzone and a 40 yard punt that gets fair caught at the 25? There isn't one. The best a touchback punt can be is 25, so now all the margins for an advantage is in getting inside that.

So with everyone having boom kickers, we're now on the hunt for hangtime one. Which are also better coffin corner kickers, who usually just end up with touchbacks or something around the 15 yard line anyway. When it hangs but stays in play there's a better chance of it touching a player and becoming a live ball or ending up inside the 5 setting up a possible safety. Given how big any turnover is to overall victory, and this is a game of inches, people are trying to gain these margins where ever they can be found. Including the punter position.

Not a bad theory. With the exception of the punt god are the other drafted punters good with hang time? I know the Punt God isn’t good with hang time, but if he ever adds hang time to that leg a team could get down the field and set up a team meeting before the ball drops.

[Ken]

Camarda hit a beauty in the NCG.