Flores suing the NFL

[Primeminister]

This could turn out to be very ugly. The text messages from Belichick look bad. Looks like the Giants made their decision before interviewing Flores as a formality. The bigger story should be that Flores is claiming that Steven Ross offered to pay him $100K for every loss in his first season in order to tank.

[Swashbuckler]

Ohhhhhhh SHIT

[Primeminister]

[BLT]

Holy. Shit.

[Swashbuckler]

Burn that shit down!!!

[Phantom]

Why Ross pay Flores 100k for every loss?

Just to tank?

[uscbucsfan]

I hate that it's called racism as Daboll was probably the number 1 or 2 coaching candidate. Like if you have the perfect guy, not doing a token interview to comply with the Rooney rule isn't racist. The same thing happen to the Raiders with Gruden. When Gruden said he was interested, they leaped at it and the NFL investigated that they basically decided on hiring him before interviewing a minority candidate. I can't recall if they were punished or what it was.

[BLT]

Why Ross pay Flores 100k for every loss?

Just to tank?

To tank for draft position

[uscbucsfan]

Why Ross pay Flores 100k for every loss?

Just to tank?

To tank for draft position

Yup. Which insiders said they were planning on doing at the time.

[BLT]

I hate that it's called racism as Daboll was probably the number 1 or 2 coaching candidate. Like if you have the perfect guy, not doing a token interview to comply with the Rooney rule isn't racist. The same thing happen to the Raiders with Gruden. When Gruden said he was interested, they leaped at it and the NFL investigated that they basically decided on hiring him before interviewing a minority candidate. I can't recall if they were punished or what it was.

Get what you are saying but the Rooney Rule has created so many bogus interviews it has made the rule to combat racism in the NFL... well racist.

[Snake]

It seems Flores is comfortable never coaching in the NFL again

[CantonJester]

I hate that it's called racism as Daboll was probably the number 1 or 2 coaching candidate. Like if you have the perfect guy, not doing a token interview to comply with the Rooney rule isn't racist. The same thing happen to the Raiders with Gruden. When Gruden said he was interested, they leaped at it and the NFL investigated that they basically decided on hiring him before interviewing a minority candidate. I can't recall if they were punished or what it was.

Get what you are saying but the Rooney Rule has created so many bogus interviews it has made the rule to combat racism in the NFL... well racist.

Yep. The discovery phase will produce a consistent pattern.

[Phantom]

I feel bad for Miami season ticket holders. They are sooo pissed

[Snake]

I’m also lol’ing at the alleged text messages between Flores and Belichick. Hahaha

[uscbucsfan]

I’m also lol’ing at the alleged text messages between Flores and Belichick. Hahaha

Such a Belichick thing...especially signing off at the end with BB.

I already see some saying it was him trying to screw the Giants, but I think he's just that aloof.

[BLT]

It seems Flores is comfortable never coaching in the NFL again

I think he found something more fulfilling

[BLT]

I’m also lol’ing at the alleged text messages between Flores and Belichick. Hahaha

Such a Belichick thing...especially signing off at the end with BB.

I already see some saying it was him trying to screw the Giants, but I think he's just that aloof.

That was my first thought. They did beat him twice in the SB LOL

[uscbucsfan]

I hate that it's called racism as Daboll was probably the number 1 or 2 coaching candidate. Like if you have the perfect guy, not doing a token interview to comply with the Rooney rule isn't racist. The same thing happen to the Raiders with Gruden. When Gruden said he was interested, they leaped at it and the NFL investigated that they basically decided on hiring him before interviewing a minority candidate. I can't recall if they were punished or what it was.

Get what you are saying but the Rooney Rule has created so many bogus interviews it has made the rule to combat racism in the NFL... well racist.

They still did the interview, lol. Every year there are obvious interviews that everyone knows are "sham" interviews.

[Pirate Life]

They still did the interview, lol. Every year there are obvious interviews that everyone knows are "sham" interviews.

Would be really interesting to know what went on in that interview when Flores goes in with the knowledge of them hiring Daboll.

[uscbucsfan]

I just saw that the Giant's first interview was Leslie Frasier, so they had covered their sham interview with one of the more popular annual names.

[CantonJester]

Joe Ross texting a bribe to Flores to tank football games in order to procure a better draft pick in the 2020 draft (Burrow, anyone?) has to be one of the dumbest things I've seen a sports owner do in a long time (and that includes the Kraft rub-and-tug).

[nybf]

It seems Flores is comfortable never coaching in the NFL again

With the way he says he's been jerked around, why would he want to?

And when the dust settles, hell get enough $$ that he won't have to.

[Rocker]

If true, I hope Flores gets a 9+ digit payout. That's some grade A fuckwaddery, right there.

[Primeminister]

If true, I hope Flores gets a 9+ digit payout. That's some grade A fuckwaddery, right there.

Same here.

[BLT]

Of course it's true. Finally there is concrete evidence.

Damn Tom hasn't even been retired one day and the fallout is crazy - NFL going to shit.

[Primeminister]

I feel bad for Miami season ticket holders. They are sooo pissed

Can you imagine if the Glazers fired a coach because he won too much and wouldn’t tamper with a player. On the other hand imagine thinking “We could have had Burrow if only coach would have benched a few guys or called a few bullshit plays”.

Either way they’re pissed.

[Primeminister]

Of course it's true. Finally there is concrete evidence.

Damn Tom hasn't even been retired one day and the fallout is crazy - NFL going to shit.

I didn’t see text messages from Steven Ross, but I believe he told Brian Flores to tank.

[Primeminister]

I hate that it's called racism as Daboll was probably the number 1 or 2 coaching candidate. Like if you have the perfect guy, not doing a token interview to comply with the Rooney rule isn't racist. The same thing happen to the Raiders with Gruden. When Gruden said he was interested, they leaped at it and the NFL investigated that they basically decided on hiring him before interviewing a minority candidate. I can't recall if they were punished or what it was.

This is why the Rooney Rule was never going to fix the issue. I don’t believe there is a legislative way to fix and it’s also insanely difficult to prove the reason qualified black coaches are skipped over.

[Primeminister]

This doesn’t prove anything, but Flores was labeled “difficult to work with” based on his refusal to play ball with this bullshit. This brings to mind how often we keep hearing that Bienemy “interviews badly” as a reason he isn’t hired. Without evidence those become character assassinations that stick to the coaching candidate and are repeated even though there is no evidence for it.

[Cheb]

I don't know if this has legs.

It's not illegal to prefer one candidate over another during the interview process. I don't think that Flores has legal standing here. Saying the Giants were intimidated because he's a strong black man is preposterous and moreover very difficult to prove in court.

As far as the allegations of tanking, unless Flores has proof I doubt that goes anywhere as well. It comes down to he-said, she-said. Do I doubt it, not at all, but again it's difficult to prove to a judge.

[Snake]

Of course he doesn’t have a legal standing. Though they might pay him just to make it go away because this is child’s play to them. And he will be blackballed as a result

[uscbucsfan]

This doesn’t prove anything, but Flores was labeled “difficult to work with” based on his refusal to play ball with this bullshit. This brings to mind how often we keep hearing that Bienemy “interviews badly” as a reason he isn’t hired. Without evidence those become character assassinations that stick to the coaching candidate and are repeated even though there is no evidence for it.

Bienemy has been unanimously been said to be awful at interviews for multiple teams had him at the top of their list until the interview...some of these teams then hired minority candidates. I think perception is reality is true with Bienemy. There's something he's doing terrible in those interviews. The only thing I've seen is that he has no specifics or focus. Just that he's going to win. He also, allegedly, has very little fine details on offensive plans too.

[Primeminister]

Of course he doesn’t have a legal standing. Though they might pay him just to make it go away because this is child’s play to them. And he will be blackballed as a result

Oh he is definitely done in the league. I think he had to know that before filing this lawsuit. My guess is he wanted to use those text messages and his situation to shine light on a situation most people already know is happening.

[Snake]

Coaching is a brotherhood. And he betrayed the deity of the brotherhood.

I understand his frustration. The Rooney rule definitely cuts both ways. But this just wasn’t the way to go to about it. He probably felt like he wasn’t being taken seriously by teams after being fired for the wrong reasons.

Go be a DC. Work on your personal problems. And get a head coaching job again in a couple years…

[Primeminister]

This doesn’t prove anything, but Flores was labeled “difficult to work with” based on his refusal to play ball with this bullshit. This brings to mind how often we keep hearing that Bienemy “interviews badly” as a reason he isn’t hired. Without evidence those become character assassinations that stick to the coaching candidate and are repeated even though there is no evidence for it.

Bienemy has been unanimously been said to be awful at interviews for multiple teams had him at the top of their list until the interview...some of these teams then hired minority candidates. I think perception is reality is true with Bienemy. There's something he's doing terrible in those interviews. The only thing I've seen is that he has no specifics or focus. Just that he's going to win. He also, allegedly, has very little fine details on offensive plans too.

That may be true. EB could turn out to be another Joe Judge or any of the other 10 garbage coaches every year. The problem with believing the criticism is that the league has a crap history with hiring black coaches. Especially offensive minded black coaches.

We will probably never see EB coach in the league and unfortunately the league’s own history doesn’t afford them the benefit of the doubt.