Payton stepping away - does this affect Brady's decision?

[Tnbandwagoner]

I can't stand Payton, and think he's a dirty coach; but apart from that, he's also one of the handful of the best coaches in the league. It's almost a guarantee that there will be a steep drop-off from him to whomever they hire to replace him, which in turn means there's a lot better shot of those two games being Ws next season.

The schedule is indeed brutal; but two games that were all but automatic losses for us the past two seasons just got a lot easier, as did winning the division.

Does this affect Brady's decision?

[nybf]

There would have been a steep drop off had he stayed. But he's a pussy, so he's running like a bitch.

[CantonJester]

No QB and they're in cap hell, right? He's getting out to protect his winning percentage. If he stays retired, he'll have a comfy commentator gig (hopefully replacing Romo).

[BLT]

They are in cap hell, yes. Defense is aging. Basically nobody on offense other than Kamara. Guy doesn't want to go through a rebuild.

Here's to the fall of the Saints! Finally it feels like they've been good for way too long.

[Doctor]

Saints clock has run out. It's time to pay the piper. Payton is doing the smart, albeit cowardly, thing "stepping away".

I predict Jerry Jones to trade for his rights when he comes back next year.

[acmillis]

So how many first round picks does Dallas give NO for Payton?

[Crocaneers]

So how many first round picks does Dallas give NO for Payton?

Ricky Williams level

[Doctor]

So how many first round picks does Dallas give NO for Payton?

None. Trading for a coach after "time off" is cheap because teams don't want to carry both HC contracts and the team has "moved on".

[CantonJester]

He's going to the booth. Amazon has newly acquired TV rights, yes? He'll get a uh...'prime' deal to be their lead commentator.

[Pirate Life]

Be interesting to see if he has a clause that voids the Saint's claim on him if he's not coaching for a period of time. Also guessing Jerry Jones was on the phone with Payton's people around 30 seconds after this became public knowledge.

[Pirate Life]

I'd also be getting Dennis Allen on the phone about being the d-coordinator here if Bowles ends up elsewhere. Though Brady yelling at him in the second Saints game may be an issue.

[Tnbandwagoner]

Be interesting to see if he has a clause that voids the Saint's claim on him if he's not coaching for a period of time. Also guessing Jerry Jones was on the phone with Payton's people around 30 seconds after this became public knowledge.

Thirty seconds? That seems extreme...I'd say more like fifteen tops.

[Snake]

He might be a scumbag but if we’re just talking about the ability to coach, he’s pretty fucking top-tier.

[Tnbandwagoner]

I'd also be getting Dennis Allen on the phone about being the d-coordinator here if Bowles ends up elsewhere. Though Brady yelling at him in the second Saints game may be an issue.

I think the chance to be on a team with Brady might outweigh hurt feelings over Brady's invitation to him to self-fornicate.

[Defense5599]

Saints clock has run out. It's time to pay the piper.

Same will happen for the Rams this offseason.

[Monero]

The NFC South is now completely wide open. It has become a race to whichever franchise finds the best HC and QB combination. Whoever finds that first will have a stranglehold of this division for the next 5-10 years. The Bucs need to decide if going for long term sustained success is better than going all in on Brady for 2022. Because if we choose going all in on Brady, we need to actually go all in. Doing so will fuck the cap and potentially even draft picks for the next several years, but if we get another Lombardi, it will be worth it. Payton retiring at least gets the Saints back to being the 'Aints where they belong.

[Doctor]

Um... I think we pretty clearly have the best HC/QB situation

[Digital_Damage]

The NFC South is now completely wide open. It has become a race to whichever franchise finds the best HC and QB combination. Whoever finds that first will have a stranglehold of this division for the next 5-10 years. The Bucs need to decide if going for long term sustained success is better than going all in on Brady for 2022. Because if we choose going all in on Brady, we need to actually go all in. Doing so will fuck the cap and potentially even draft picks for the next several years, but if we get another Lombardi, it will be worth it. Payton retiring at least gets the Saints back to being the 'Aints where they belong.

Who is this We? Team has no say in Brady coming back...

[BLT]

Saints clock has run out. It's time to pay the piper.

Same will happen for the Rams this offseason.

Rams only lose Von Miller and Odell.

[Monero]

Um... I think we pretty clearly have the best HC/QB situation

Assuming Brady doesn't retire. But then that's only for one year. After that we don't have a starting QB on the roster currently. I also don't trust Arians so it's mainly just Brady vs the NFC South.

[nybf]

So how many first round picks does Dallas give NO for Payton?

None. Trading for a coach after "time off" is cheap because teams don't want to carry both HC contracts and the team has "moved on".

Payton stepped away. He's not still getting paid.

[Doctor]

Even if Brady retires I still think we have the best HC/QB situation. If for nothing else by default.

[Doctor]

None. Trading for a coach after "time off" is cheap because teams don't want to carry both HC contracts and the team has "moved on".

Payton stepped away. He's not still getting paid.

As long as he's away he's not. But when he comes back he will be, that's how teams retain rights. You can't retain rights and not pay the person.

[Monero]

Even if we retire, I still think we have the best HC/QB situation. If for nothing else by default.

Who is the starting caliber QB on our team currently?

[Buc2]

Payton stepped away. He's not still getting paid.

As long as he's away he's not. But when he comes back he will be, that's how teams retain rights. You can't retain rights and not pay the person.

I don't believe that is correct.

[Pirate Life]

Same will happen for the Rams this offseason.

Rams only lose Von Miller and Odell.

They are currently $5 million over the cap with the 48 players they have signed and have zero draft picks in the first four rounds next year. No first round or fourth round pick the following season.

[uscbucsfan]

Even if Brady retires I still think we have the best HC/QB situation. If for nothing else by default.

lol, you are the ultimate optimist with this team. You thought Winston would be/was elite, you think Trask is a better starting QB than Matt Ryan/Taysom Hill, you think all of our coaching decisions are brilliant or whatever else you've been pushing.

You are basically bizzaro Lugz.

[Doctor]

Who are the starting caliber QBs in the division?

As far as our own, we still have Trask who is as promising an unknown as any other QBOTF in the league, including those that already have some starts under their belts like Fields and Mills and those that don't like Lance. Heck, you could probably throw Tua and Lawrence into that group as well. All these guys are more talent and promise than they are established known commodities.

And all higher on my list than whatever the Saints, Kitties, or Falcons currently have rostered.

[13F11B]

What would people say if Raheem Morris was the new Saints HC?

[Snake]

I would laugh and be very happy.

[Doctor]

Even if Brady retires I still think we have the best HC/QB situation. If for nothing else by default.

lol, you are the ultimate optimist with this team. You thought Winston would be/was elite, you think Trask is a better starting QB than Matt Ryan/Taysom Hill, you think all of our coaching decisions are brilliant or whatever else you've been pushing.

You are basically bizzaro Lugz.

Um, I had Winston 4th on my list behind Brady, Brees, and Carr.

But I guess for the AnybodyButWinston mob anything short of a firing suqad is "thinking him elite".

[uscbucsfan]

Who are the starting caliber QBs in the division?

As far as our own, we still have Trask who is as promising an unknown as any other QBOTF in the league, including those that already have some starts under their belts like Fields and Mills and those that don't like Lance. Heck, you could probably throw Tua and Lawrence into that group as well. All these guys are more talent and promise than they are established known commodities.

And all higher on my list than whatever the Saints, Kitties, or Falcons currently have rostered.

Trask is a guy that many thought would be a mid-round pick who has poor mechanics and a weak arm. We basically spent a 3rd rounder on him and no one, outside of fans, has labeled him as QBOTF. There's a slim chance he is, but he's more likely, judging by history, going to be a back-up QB.

There's been nothing shown on tape that we should put faith into the idea that Trask is our next QB...certainly nothing that would sell anyone on the idea that him and BA are the best HC/QB in the conference. For all we know, he's worse than Gabbert, which I'm sure you would sell to others that Gabbert is a great option to start...

[Doctor]

What would people say if Raheem Morris was the new Saints HC?

Funny you ask, I actually just texted a group chat I predict just that just so they can scapegoat him after the ugly rebuild years.

[13F11B]

lol, you are the ultimate optimist with this team. You thought Winston would be/was elite, you think Trask is a better starting QB than Matt Ryan/Taysom Hill, you think all of our coaching decisions are brilliant or whatever else you've been pushing.

You are basically bizzaro Lugz.

Um, I had Winston 4th on my list behind Brady, Brees, and Carr.

But I guess for the AnybodyButWinston mob anything short of a firing suqad is "thinking him elite".

Winston in the correct offense could be elite. I think Brady coming in and doing what he did in year one showed that Winston was not elite under Arians.

[BLT]

Rams only lose Von Miller and Odell.

They are currently $5 million over the cap with the 48 players they have signed and have zero draft picks in the first four rounds next year. No first round or fourth round pick the following season.

Yeah, they mortgaged the future to hopefully get a ring. I'm just saying they don't really lose much next season.