Todd Bowles & Byron Leftwich Interview Tracker
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This is not a hill I'd be willing to die on but, personally, I don't have an issue with interviewing during the postseason. These guys are professional coaches. If they couldn't pace themselves accordingly and allocate the necessary time to do their current job, then they have no business being coordinators in the first place.
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Seconded.Buc2 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:14 am This is not a hill I'd be willing to die on but, personally, I don't have an issue with interviewing during the postseason. These guys are professional coaches. If they couldn't pace themselves accordingly and allocate the necessary time to do their current job, then they have no business being coordinators in the first place.
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Not the same thing.King Bootz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:25 pmCan you imagine if people actually felt interviewing for a better job would sway your focus or investment in the current job or be a distraction? There'd never been promotions in any industry.
The off-season is only a few weeks long why not wait until after for currently active coaches still in the playoffs.
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I think you're about 30 years behind the processBLT wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:53 amNot the same thing.King Bootz wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:25 pm
Can you imagine if people actually felt interviewing for a better job would sway your focus or investment in the current job or be a distraction? There'd never been promotions in any industry.
The off-season is only a few weeks long why not wait until after for currently active coaches still in the playoffs.
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And the players that know their favorite coach, or the person that vouched for them is leaving. Obviously I get what you're saying, and I know these are professional adults, but there is a reason that in the corporate world managers don't tell their entire team they are going to be leaving and are actively interviewing for new jobs. It would be considered unprofessional and detrimental to morale.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:09 pmThese guys aren’t practicing and game planning 100% of the day. There’s no reason they can’t talk to another team for an hour or so to discuss philosophy and future.
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As someone else reminded us in this very thread, the NFL isn't the corporate world, so comparing them doesn't work.BLT wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:11 pmAnd the players that know their favorite coach, or the person that vouched for them is leaving. Obviously I get what you're saying, and I know these are professional adults, but there is a reason that in the corporate world managers don't tell their entire team they are going to be leaving and are actively interviewing for new jobs. It would be considered unprofessional and detrimental to morale.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:09 pm
These guys aren’t practicing and game planning 100% of the day. There’s no reason they can’t talk to another team for an hour or so to discuss philosophy and future.
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That's true... you can't rape people in the corporate world and have companies fight over hiring you.Buc2 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:41 pmAs someone else reminded us in this very thread, the NFL isn't the corporate world, so comparing them doesn't work.BLT wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:11 pm
And the players that know their favorite coach, or the person that vouched for them is leaving. Obviously I get what you're saying, and I know these are professional adults, but there is a reason that in the corporate world managers don't tell their entire team they are going to be leaving and are actively interviewing for new jobs. It would be considered unprofessional and detrimental to morale.
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I was reading up to the change. The change is they can interview before the end of the season. Teams can deny permission for requested head coach interviews during Weeks 17 and 18, but if they allow one team to interview a candidate, they must grant permission to any other requesting clubs as well.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/pris ... rady-bucs/
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Depends how much money you've made in the corporate world.
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So you are saying that if Bowles was leaving, then they defense who loves him would just pout and not play well? They won't try to run through a wall to have one last championship with him here? Think about which one is more likely.BLT wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:11 pmAnd the players that know their favorite coach, or the person that vouched for them is leaving. Obviously I get what you're saying, and I know these are professional adults, but there is a reason that in the corporate world managers don't tell their entire team they are going to be leaving and are actively interviewing for new jobs. It would be considered unprofessional and detrimental to morale.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:09 pm
These guys aren’t practicing and game planning 100% of the day. There’s no reason they can’t talk to another team for an hour or so to discuss philosophy and future.
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Monte Kiffin?kaimaru wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:28 pmSo you are saying that if Bowles was leaving, then they defense who loves him would just pout and not play well? They won't try to run through a wall to have one last championship with him here? Think about which one is more likely.BLT wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:11 pm
And the players that know their favorite coach, or the person that vouched for them is leaving. Obviously I get what you're saying, and I know these are professional adults, but there is a reason that in the corporate world managers don't tell their entire team they are going to be leaving and are actively interviewing for new jobs. It would be considered unprofessional and detrimental to morale.
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I honestly think the other one is more likely.kaimaru wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:28 pmSo you are saying that if Bowles was leaving, then they defense who loves him would just pout and not play well? They won't try to run through a wall to have one last championship with him here? Think about which one is more likely.BLT wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:11 pm
And the players that know their favorite coach, or the person that vouched for them is leaving. Obviously I get what you're saying, and I know these are professional adults, but there is a reason that in the corporate world managers don't tell their entire team they are going to be leaving and are actively interviewing for new jobs. It would be considered unprofessional and detrimental to morale.
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All the evidence you need.
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bOOM HEADSHOT
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Yep and most of them got their walking papers in the offseason.
If that's the road our guys wanna travel down again, please make yourself known. But I can't imagine as a grown man being that upset about another grown man getting another job to the point that I stop doing the one I have.
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Exactly my point. Kiffin was pissed at Gruden per all rumors at the time. He quit showing up to meetings.King Bootz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:37 pmYep and most of them got their walking papers in the offseason.
If that's the road our guys wanna travel down again, please make yourself known. But I can't imagine as a grown man being that upset about another grown man getting another job to the point that I stop doing the one I have.
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I agree with all of that.Buc2 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:14 am This is not a hill I'd be willing to die on but, personally, I don't have an issue with interviewing during the postseason. These guys are professional coaches. If they couldn't pace themselves accordingly and allocate the necessary time to do their current job, then they have no business being coordinators in the first place.
My only minor concern is that it's easier for a not-active coach to prepare for and schedule interviews than it is a coach still in the playoffs. It's somewhat of a disadvantage, especially if your team goes to the Superbowl and that's two more weeks you're asking teams to wait to hire you and start building. All things being equal, an owner is likely to opt for someone who can start recruiting a staff and building a plan in early January over early February. That's really my only quibble.
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I'd call that the nature of the beast. If an owner isn't willing to wait 2-3 more weeks, then he's very likely missing out on a great candidate and will get what he deserves...back to the search in a couple of years.MJW wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:01 amI agree with all of that.Buc2 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:14 am This is not a hill I'd be willing to die on but, personally, I don't have an issue with interviewing during the postseason. These guys are professional coaches. If they couldn't pace themselves accordingly and allocate the necessary time to do their current job, then they have no business being coordinators in the first place.
My only minor concern is that it's easier for a not-active coach to prepare for and schedule interviews than it is a coach still in the playoffs. It's somewhat of a disadvantage, especially if your team goes to the Superbowl and that's two more weeks you're asking teams to wait to hire you and start building. All things being equal, an owner is likely to opt for someone who can start recruiting a staff and building a plan in early January over early February. That's really my only quibble.
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There would be no indication or announcement of Bowles or Lunchbox taking a HC job until after the Conference Championship game anyways.
But even if there is, I don't buy into the narrative it would be a distraction for players on that side of the ball. Nor do I think the Monte KIffin comparison is close to being relatable to this current Bucs team for a few reasons.
1) We're in the playoffs and trying to defend a title.
2) Monte wasn't taking a NFL HC job, if players admire Bowles or Lunchbox then they'd be happy for them to get that promotion.
3) We have Tom Brady along with guys on defense like JPP and LVD providing way better leadership than that Bucs team did.
I don't even buy it's a distraction for the coordinators themself. These are Zoom meetings and the Bucs are playing at home this weekend. Bowles has been a Head Coach in this league and been through these interviews many times. I can't believe their is a ton of prep work required, much less demanded considering teams interviewing know the Bucs are still in the playoffs.
Tbh, I'd pretty surprised by the commentary in this thread that implies this would even be an issue. We should be happy both our coordinators are being evaluated by multiple teams to be HC. It's all baked into being a successful franchise with competent coordinators.
But even if there is, I don't buy into the narrative it would be a distraction for players on that side of the ball. Nor do I think the Monte KIffin comparison is close to being relatable to this current Bucs team for a few reasons.
1) We're in the playoffs and trying to defend a title.
2) Monte wasn't taking a NFL HC job, if players admire Bowles or Lunchbox then they'd be happy for them to get that promotion.
3) We have Tom Brady along with guys on defense like JPP and LVD providing way better leadership than that Bucs team did.
I don't even buy it's a distraction for the coordinators themself. These are Zoom meetings and the Bucs are playing at home this weekend. Bowles has been a Head Coach in this league and been through these interviews many times. I can't believe their is a ton of prep work required, much less demanded considering teams interviewing know the Bucs are still in the playoffs.
Tbh, I'd pretty surprised by the commentary in this thread that implies this would even be an issue. We should be happy both our coordinators are being evaluated by multiple teams to be HC. It's all baked into being a successful franchise with competent coordinators.
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It's not surprising.Dread wrote: ↑Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:58 am There would be no indication or announcement of Bowles or Lunchbox taking a HC job until after the Conference Championship game anyways.
But even if there is, I don't buy into the narrative it would be a distraction for players on that side of the ball. Nor do I think the Monte KIffin comparison is close to being relatable to this current Bucs team for a few reasons.
1) We're in the playoffs and trying to defend a title.
2) Monte wasn't taking a NFL HC job, if players admire Bowles or Lunchbox then they'd be happy for them to get that promotion.
3) We have Tom Brady along with guys on defense like JPP and LVD providing way better leadership than that Bucs team did.
I don't even buy it's a distraction for the coordinators themself. These are Zoom meetings and the Bucs are playing at home this weekend. Bowles has been a Head Coach in this league and been through these interviews many times. I can't believe their is a ton of prep work required, much less demanded considering teams interviewing know the Bucs are still in the playoffs.
Tbh, I'd pretty surprised by the commentary in this thread that implies this would even be an issue. We should be happy both our coordinators are being evaluated by multiple teams to be HC. It's all baked into being a successful franchise with competent coordinators.
Bucs fans aren't use to their coordinators interviewing for other jobs. Let alone being in the playoffs while interviewing for other jobs. I can see how fans of this team would be concerned but it's only because they aren't aware that this practice has been occurring for years and years.
Hell 3 of the head coaches left in the playoffs coached their last game with their former teams in the Super Bowl. Sean McDermott with the Panthers, Kyle Shanahan with the Falcons and Zack Taylor with the Rams. Brian Flores coached his last game with the Patriots in the Super Bowl.
This isn't anything new, groundbreaking or really distracting. No need to worry.
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That image should have “Rooney Rule” across the bottom. With a check mark next to it.
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No. He's saying he's a dumbass.King Bootz wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:14 amMultiple teams looking for a HC or GM posted these announcements.
Soooo you're saying "Rooney Rule" on Bowles & Morris', "Real candidate" on Quinn & Moore?
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That’s the first time I’ve seen Coach Bowles smile.
Feels weird.
It’s like seeing your 1st grade teacher at the grocery store.
Feels weird.
It’s like seeing your 1st grade teacher at the grocery store.
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I read Bowles is/was interviewed by the Raiders. Hadn't seen that before. Seems like he has a real good shot there. They haven't interviewed many guys.
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Idk. It’s my understanding the Patriots had three coaches, including Patricia, leading defensive meetings before Belichick took it back over because it wasn’t working.
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MY guess is it will be Moore, he has that inbreed cracker look that will take him far in the NFL.
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Patricia was an unmitigated disaster the moment he stepped out of New England, so no thanks.
If we lose Bowles, I would presume that we promote from within for a new DC. My money would be on Mike Caldwell or Larry Foote (inside and outside LB coaches respectively) but I could be wrong.
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FIFY, and Yes
Kidding aside, Patricia comes from the Belichick tree and based on what he ran in New England and Detroit there is some overlap in the type of players and roles within scheme.
Both Bowles and Patricia ran a 3-4 base defense where the Dlinemen were powerful/physical 2-gappers, so guys like Vea, Suh, Gholston (even though the latter two may not be back) would be natural fits.
Both also incorporate a heavy m2m scheme in the secondary, since Bowles arrived we've been drafting taller and more athletic m2m type CBs.
Like most DC's these days they want their Safeties to be interchangeable instead of the designated FS v SS skillsets.
All that said, I don't know that there is a relationship between BA and Patricia. But Licht has Patriot roots so that is possible.
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Yeah, Matt was a crappy HC... But wasn't Bowles, at one time? Or does Patricia NOT deserve the reputation as a good DC?Cheb wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:51 amPatricia was an unmitigated disaster the moment he stepped out of New England, so no thanks.
If we lose Bowles, I would presume that we promote from within for a new DC. My money would be on Mike Caldwell or Larry Foote (inside and outside LB coaches respectively) but I could be wrong.
It's like Leftwich... Does he deserve the accolades of being a great OC, or was it because he had Brady?
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Patricia went from good DC to crappy HC.Moozician wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:56 amYeah, Matt was a crappy HC... But wasn't Bowles, at one time? Or does Patricia NOT deserve the reputation as a good DC?Cheb wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:51 am
Patricia was an unmitigated disaster the moment he stepped out of New England, so no thanks.
If we lose Bowles, I would presume that we promote from within for a new DC. My money would be on Mike Caldwell or Larry Foote (inside and outside LB coaches respectively) but I could be wrong.
It's like Leftwich... Does he deserve the accolades of being a great OC, or was it because he had Brady?
Bowles went from crappy HC to crappy DC.
Leftwich is new to HC, so I don't know that these comparisons fit.