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No season yet (who am I kidding, it's always football season), but yesterday CFP officially agreed to the new College Football Playoff format.
Beginning with the 2024 season, the Playoff will comprise five conference champions and seven at-large bids. The number of conference champions was decreased from six to five amid realignment and the disintegration of the Pac-12 during the 2023 season.

The five slots will go to the highest-ranking conference champions as determined by the CFP selection committee, assuring that one team outside the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC will make the 12-team bracket. The selection committee will also determine the seven at large bids with no limit on how many teams can come from one conference.

The four highest-ranked conference champions will be seeded Nos. 1-4 and each will receive a first-round bye. Teams seeded Nos. 5-12 will play each other on the field of the higher seed. No. 5 will play No. 12, No. 6 will play No. 11, No. 7 will play No. 10 and No. 8 will play No. 9.

The quarterfinals and the semifinals will be played in the New Year’s Six bowl games, and the national championship will be played at a neutral site.

That all seems logical. I wonder how they plan to organize the New Year's Six if they comprise two rounds of playoffs, though.
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Kress wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 3:00 pm No season yet (who am I kidding, it's always football season), but yesterday CFP officially agreed to the new College Football Playoff format.
Beginning with the 2024 season, the Playoff will comprise five conference champions and seven at-large bids. The number of conference champions was decreased from six to five amid realignment and the disintegration of the Pac-12 during the 2023 season.

The five slots will go to the highest-ranking conference champions as determined by the CFP selection committee, assuring that one team outside the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC will make the 12-team bracket. The selection committee will also determine the seven at large bids with no limit on how many teams can come from one conference.

The four highest-ranked conference champions will be seeded Nos. 1-4 and each will receive a first-round bye. Teams seeded Nos. 5-12 will play each other on the field of the higher seed. No. 5 will play No. 12, No. 6 will play No. 11, No. 7 will play No. 10 and No. 8 will play No. 9.

The quarterfinals and the semifinals will be played in the New Year’s Six bowl games, and the national championship will be played at a neutral site.

That all seems logical. I wonder how they plan to organize the New Year's Six if they comprise two rounds of playoffs, though.
Could you imagine the Bucs or any football team playing a double header like in baseball?
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12 teams is so dumb.
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Snake wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:04 pm 12 teams is so dumb.
I disagree. Last season, this format would look like:

Bye weeks 1-4:
Michigan, Washington, Texas, Alabama

Oklahoma @ FSU
Ole Miss @ Georgia
Penn State @ Ohio State
Missouri @ Oregon

That looks like pretty good football to me.
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Except we knew who the four best teams were over a month before the four team playoff. The results bore that out.
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Snake wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:45 pm Except we knew who the four best teams were over a month before the four team playoff. The results bore that out.
Maybe so, maybe not. Maybe FSU wouldn't have been playing third stringers with a billion opt outs has they been in the playoffs with a chance at a Natty. Maybe Georgia redeems themselves and wins it all. Maybe Ohio State gets over their Michigan-induced funk and makes a run. Maybe Oklahoma or Missouri are Cinderella stories.

I am a fan of the sport of college football, and expanding the playoff format gives room for those teams to have a shot and a chance to tell those stories.
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Snake wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:04 pm 12 teams is so dumb.
I agree. 3 loss teams are going to get in some years. Absolutely no need for that
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Not a fan of the direction college football is moving in. Although I’m happy to see ND having their best recruiting sessions since the Lou Holtz days.

I thought a 6 or 8-team playoff woulda been fine. But given how these conferences are getting totally out of control to the point where Kirk Herbstreit is saying the game is in a dangerous place, I guess 12-14 teams suit the current state of chaos in the game.
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I heard there has been discussion about a 14 team playoff for 2026. This is why 2023 is my last year enjoying college football. Perfect time to retire.


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What’s next? 32 teams?

The contract begins in 2026 and brings the College Football Playoff much closer to an expected 14-team field with guarantees for conference champions

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Clemson files lawsuit against ACC over exit fees.

North Carolina, North Carolina State and Virginia soon to follow.
Why did Clemson file its lawsuit now?

Whereas Florida State foreshadowed its lawsuit for months and announced it in grand fashion in late December 2023, Clemson's efforts toward a potential exit have largely happened in the shadows. But make no mistake, Clemson has been essentially in lockstep with Florida State's thinking all along, and with the recent announcement that future playoff shares to the ACC would be nearly half that of the SEC and Big Ten, it was yet another domino to fall in Clemson's journey to this point. Florida State and Clemson understand that finding an exit strategy from the ACC will not happen overnight, so both lawsuits are largely about getting a running start toward the door.

What exactly is Clemson arguing?

Clemson is essentially making the same argument as Florida State, which boils down to claiming the financial penalties involved with the ACC's exit fee (three times the ACC's operating budget) are exorbitant and unreasonable, and the grant of rights (which gives the ACC ownership of each member's TV media rights through 2036) unfairly restricts Clemson's right to maximize its brand value.



Florida State vs. ACC grant of rights lawsuit: What you need to know
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According to the lawsuit, Clemson alleges the ACC's exit fee and grant of rights "​​hinders Clemson's ability to meaningfully explore its options regarding conference membership, to negotiate alternative revenue-sharing proposals among ACC members, and to obtain full value for its future media rights."

In short, Clemson is suggesting that a grant of rights is unenforceable and illegal, a claim that could potentially have massive ripple effects throughout the college sports landscape if a judge agreed. But given the rapidly changing landscape of college sports, Clemson argues prohibiting free movement among schools could be a potential death sentence for its program.

"In this litigation, Clemson seeks confirmation of the plain language found in the Grant of Rights agreements and the related media agreements between the ACC and ESPN -- that these agreements, when read together, plainly state that Clemson controls its media rights for games played if it is no longer a member of the ACC," a statement from Clemson read. "Clemson also seeks a ruling regarding the unenforceability of the severe penalty the ACC is seeking to impose upon exiting members and confirmation that it does not owe a fiduciary duty to the conference as alleged by the ACC.

"The ACC's position regarding the Grant of Rights, the exit penalty, and obligations owed by members to the conference, as detailed in its public statements and other court filings, leaves Clemson with no choice but to move forward with this lawsuit.

"Clemson has not given notice that it is exiting the ACC and remains a member of the conference."

What is a grant of rights again? And why is it so important?

The grant of rights is a legal document signed by each member of the ACC that transfers ownership of media rights from the school to the conference. What this means is that the ACC, not Clemson -- or any other member school -- owns the rights to broadcasts of games. Schools signed this in 2013 as a reaction to the departure of Maryland to the Big Ten, under the rationale that the grant of rights acts as an insurance policy that would prevent anyone from leaving the league during the duration of the agreement, which in this case is through 2036, because a school without TV revenue would have little value to any other conference or enough revenue to stand as an independent.

In other realignment scenarios, schools either waited out the grant of rights (the Pac-12's agreement ends in summer 2024) or paid a hefty buyout to leave early (Texas and Oklahoma paid $50 million each to the Big 12 to leave that agreement just one year early).

For Florida State, Clemson or any other school looking to leave the ACC, the dollars and duration are far more imposing. With 12 seasons remaining on the existing deal after this school year, a member would need to either wait far longer than they feel is acceptable or pay a nearly impossible buyout to get their media rights back. And this is in addition to the exit fee.

Hence, option No. 3: Go to court and hope to find a legal framework for exiting sooner and at a lower cost.

Clemson, however, is alleging the grant of rights only applies to teams in the league and would not carry beyond a school exiting. This, of course, is the exact opposite of what the grant of rights was designed to do, but it's an interesting legal approach given the school's reading of its TV agreement and grant of rights, which is redacted in public disclosures.

Should we expect more schools to follow in Clemson's and FSU's steps?

There's a genuine question about why Clemson would do this at all if Florida State was willing to be the canary in the coal mine. While numerous other ADs -- both inside the ACC and out -- have said they're keenly watching FSU's efforts to exit the grant of rights, they've all sounded more than happy to let the Seminoles take the heat and, ideally, provide the blueprint for an exit strategy.

Clemson's lawsuit suggests that the school sees value in helping set that blueprint and, in turn, potentially being among the first out the door. If both FSU and Clemson depart the league, others would surely follow -- including, perhaps, North Carolina, Virginia, Miami and NC State.

But there are also two big problems with any departure scenario.

First is the money. These lawsuits are effectively a referendum on the cost of departure. That dollar figure, whatever it ultimately is, could be prohibitively high for schools looking to leave. On the flip side, the high cost could provide an incentive to stay if Clemson and FSU are forced to write sizable checks that would then be distributed among the remaining league members.


On Feb. 29, the University of North Carolina Board of Governors approved a policy change that might make it more difficult for public state schools -- including North Carolina and NC State -- to jump from one conference to another. Under the new rules, any chancellor of a school wanting to change leagues must provide the system president with advance notice and submit a financial plan. The president has the authority to approve or reject the move, and he must notify the Board of Governors, which could vote on the conference transition as well.

The second issue is where schools might land. Several athletics directors who spoke with ESPN said they did not believe the SEC or Big Ten were eager to expand again at the moment, and even the Big Ten's most recent additions -- Washington and Oregon -- came in at a fraction of full value. Leaving the ACC is one thing. Having a home afterward is another.

What happens now?

Clemson's lawsuit was filed in South Carolina, making it the third different state where some form of litigation is ongoing about the ACC's grant of rights. Deciding who has jurisdiction is the next big step, and even that is likely months away from a ruling. Once any ruling on venue is made, there are likely to be appeals of that ruling, too. In other words, it's unlikely we'll learn anything about the enforceability of the ACC's exit fees and grant of rights any time soon.
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I rewatched the Michigan vs. Alabama game, and it truly felt like the real national championship game compared to Washington. And beating Nick Saban added an extra touch of sweetness to the victory. We retired Nick Saban. You're welcome!
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Week o and Week 1 television schedule revealed

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... opener-abc

Florida vs Miami?

Clemson vs Georgia?
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Phantom wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:22 pm Clemson files lawsuit against ACC over exit fees.

North Carolina, North Carolina State and Virginia soon to follow.
I would love nothing more than to see the ACC fall apart.
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CannonFire wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 1:53 pm
Phantom wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:22 pm Clemson files lawsuit against ACC over exit fees.

North Carolina, North Carolina State and Virginia soon to follow.
I would love nothing more than to see the ACC fall apart.
oh it's falling
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"Four FBS teams didn't take a transfer from the portal this offseason: Air Force, Army, Navy and Clemson. Transferring into one of the service academies requires the intervention of a member of the U.S. Congress. For whatever reason, transferring to Clemson seems to be even more difficult these days," ESPN's Mark Schlabach wrote.


Dabo. Love the guy, but he's killing the program.
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That’s wild. For contrast, I think Arizona State had 30 transfers out, 25 transfers in.
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Noles1724 wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 3:37 pm
CannonFire wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 1:53 pm

I would love nothing more than to see the ACC fall apart.
oh it's falling
Good. They started the ruination of college conferences. Well, them and that stupid NCAA rule that you couldn't have a conference championship game (football), unless you had 12 schools. NIL and alike just exacerbated it.
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Kress wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 5:45 pm
Dabo. Love the guy, but he's killing the program.
Why, what's he specifically doing that's causing this?
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CannonFire wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 5:59 pm
Kress wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 5:45 pm
Dabo. Love the guy, but he's killing the program.
Why, what's he specifically doing that's causing this?
Hundreds (thousands?) of NCAA players would love to play for Clemson who are not currently playing for Clemson. It’s a philosophical/moral thing for Dabo.
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What Snake said. I guess it depends on how you look at it. He values loyalty both ways: he wants his school to be loyal to its player/students, so he won't bring in free agents to replace anyone, and he wants his players to be loyal to the program, so he will always look to promote and grow from within.

Respectable or borderline honorable? Sure.
Can it remain competitive in today's game? No.

I think he's always wanted to be "that" program: the perceived good guys who can still win. That was the mantra of "little ole Clemson" taking down the evil empire for that stretch. But it was lightning in a bottle - mostly lightning named Watson and Lawrence - and it's long odds to ever do anything resembling that again.
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Snake wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 6:02 pm
CannonFire wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 5:59 pm

Why, what's he specifically doing that's causing this?
Hundreds (thousands?) of NCAA players would love to play for Clemson who are not currently playing for Clemson. It’s a philosophical/moral thing for Dabo.
Gotchya... he can't get out of his own way. I don't necessarily blame him for it though. I don't think it's a bad thing to have a certain level of standards you expect from these kids/young adults.
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Kress wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 9:03 pm What Snake said. I guess it depends on how you look at it. He values loyalty both ways: he wants his school to be loyal to its player/students, so he won't bring in free agents to replace anyone, and he wants his players to be loyal to the program, so he will always look to promote and grow from within.

Respectable or borderline honorable? Sure.
Can it remain competitive in today's game? No.

I think he's always wanted to be "that" program: the perceived good guys who can still win. That was the mantra of "little ole Clemson" taking down the evil empire for that stretch. But it was lightning in a bottle - mostly lightning named Watson and Lawrence - and it's long odds to ever do anything resembling that again.
Can't he though, remain competitive in today's game? With all the NIL money available now, buying top recruits shouldn't be that hard. If he can sell them on Clemson and they win, he should be able to keep them there and continue to win. Seems more like he's not buying enough good players. Also, growing up, I don't really remember Clemson ever being a top tier football program. For the most part, they've always been 'that ACC school with an extremely good baseball program that once in a while is relevant in other sports'.
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Snake wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:04 pm 12 teams is so dumb.
Want to hear what's dumb?

USC wins the Pac-12 and is on pace to take a playoff spot as the #4 seed. Because USC won the Pac-12, they then had to play another game; the Pac-12 championship. Just an extra game tacked on to the schedule. USC loses the Pac-12 championship, and as such they lose their playoff spot to Ohio State. Because Ohio State did not win the Big Ten East, Ohio State did not have to play in a championship game. Ohio State plays 13 games, USC plays 14 games. Ohio State gets the bid.

In a 12 team format, both of these teams make the playoff and we get that many more good football games.

4 team is a subjective joke where the SEC and Big 10 are favored each and every year. Opening it up to 12 teams takes the subjectivity out of it and gives these teams the opportunity to show how much better they are instead of AP rankings deciding so.
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Sdbucs wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 3:49 pm
Snake wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:04 pm 12 teams is so dumb.
Want to hear what's dumb?

USC wins the Pac-12 and is on pace to take a playoff spot as the #4 seed. Because USC won the Pac-12, they then had to play another game; the Pac-12 championship. Just an extra game tacked on to the schedule. USC loses the Pac-12 championship, and as such they lose their playoff spot to Ohio State. Because Ohio State did not win the Big Ten East, Ohio State did not have to play in a championship game. Ohio State plays 13 games, USC plays 14 games. Ohio State gets the bid.

In a 12 team format, both of these teams make the playoff and we get that many more good football games.

4 team is a subjective joke where the SEC and Big 10 are favored each and every year. Opening it up to 12 teams takes the subjectivity out of it and gives these teams the opportunity to show how much better they are instead of AP rankings deciding so.
Seconded.

Remember when FSU last year was understandably upset they didn't make the playoffs, or when UCF went undefeated a few years ago and was also miffed?

A 12-team playoff opens the door for those teams and others like them to prove that they have a chance to belong in the best way possible -- in a good-on-good, single-elimination tournament.
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Yup, Georgia's audio-visual squad was way better than FSU's watercolor impressionist society. It was both shocking and unexpected.
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Snake wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 4:22 pm
24 FSU players opted out of their bowl game, including the majority of their starters.

That would not have happened if they had made the playoffs.
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Sdbucs wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 3:49 pm
Snake wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:04 pm 12 teams is so dumb.
Want to hear what's dumb?

USC wins the Pac-12 and is on pace to take a playoff spot as the #4 seed. Because USC won the Pac-12, they then had to play another game; the Pac-12 championship. Just an extra game tacked on to the schedule. USC loses the Pac-12 championship, and as such they lose their playoff spot to Ohio State. Because Ohio State did not win the Big Ten East, Ohio State did not have to play in a championship game. Ohio State plays 13 games, USC plays 14 games. Ohio State gets the bid.

In a 12 team format, both of these teams make the playoff and we get that many more good football games.

4 team is a subjective joke where the SEC and Big 10 are favored each and every year. Opening it up to 12 teams takes the subjectivity out of it and gives these teams the opportunity to show how much better they are instead of AP rankings deciding so.
Now UCF finally can get their shot!!!

Too bad they will never have a team like that again in our lifetime, lol
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It is official!!

USC, UCLA, Washington, and Oregon are now a member of the prestigious Big Ten conference.
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Phantom wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 8:31 pm It is official!!

USC, UCLA, Washington, and Oregon are now a member of the prestigious Big Ten conference.
I really want to go to USC at Michigan

Ann Arbor for a CFB game just sounds like the peak CFB experience
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Speaking of the B1G..

Drew Allar looked decent in spring ball. He doesn't have many wide outs to throw the ball to though.

And the playoff is a good thing no matter how you look at it. I think it promotes parity in the country too. NIL and the Playoff have completely killed the game I knew growing up though.
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