Trash seems a touch harsh. I’d love to see one of you dorks call these guys “trash” to their face.
He’s an average NFL tight end, which is to say, he’s a lot better than “trash.”
"Just be patient"
PFF had Cotton at #43 TE in 2023 regular season. Teams literally had multiple TEs better than him on their roster. That is TRASH.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:52 pmTrash seems a touch harsh. I’d love to see one of you dorks call these guys “trash” to their face.
He’s an average NFL tight end, which is to say, he’s a lot better than “trash.”
Cotton is trash to anyone who knows what they are seeing. All Graham sees is rainbows, sunshine, and rose colors behind those shades he has superglued to his face. He thinks the fact that he chooses not to view this team objectively makes him a superfan.Sdbucs wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 7:29 pmPFF had Cotton at #43 TE in 2023 regular season. Teams literally had multiple TEs better than him on their roster. That is TRASH.Grahamburn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:52 pm
Trash seems a touch harsh. I’d love to see one of you dorks call these guys “trash” to their face.
He’s an average NFL tight end, which is to say, he’s a lot better than “trash.”
And yes the internet is a tool that lets people make points without getting their face blasted in. He seems like a great guy but he’s not the answer at TE
Excluding the top two receivers from most teams leaves the cupboard pretty bare, my dude.
Would he have been better if he was blessed with forty more targets from Evans and Godwin..Grahamburn wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:52 pmTrash seems a touch harsh. I’d love to see one of you dorks call these guys “trash” to their face.
He’s an average NFL tight end, which is to say, he’s a lot better than “trash.”
Durham looks like he's running with bricks in his shoes. Doubt he ever becomes a reliable weapon.
We gave a 7th to the Rams to move up 4 spots.
Not sure a 6'9 to 6'11 guy is gonna do well at the NFL level. Unless the plan is just to use him for jump balls in the endzone.GreatTimes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 3:26 pm The Bucs need to find a college basketball power forward that they can convert to a TE.
Tony GonzalezBootz wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 5:57 pmNot sure a 6'9 to 6'11 guy is gonna do well at the NFL level. Unless the plan is just to use him for jump balls in the endzone.GreatTimes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 3:26 pm The Bucs need to find a college basketball power forward that they can convert to a TE.
Add: Antonio Gates
Otton was 21st in the NFL among TEs, with 67 targets.Sdbucs wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 5:57 pm If you had Evan Engram but every other team had a Gronk clone, would you say your team is lacking at TE?
Yes.
Just because Cotton isn’t making outwardly bad plays or mistakes doesn’t mean that he is significantly worse than league standards. Again, PFF shows 40+ TEs performing at a higher level than him. To win in the NFL you have to be better than your opponents, not just be “good enough”.
He struggled as a blocker last year.Big Irv wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 4:56 pmOtton was 21st in the NFL among TEs, with 67 targets.Sdbucs wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 5:57 pm If you had Evan Engram but every other team had a Gronk clone, would you say your team is lacking at TE?
Yes.
Just because Cotton isn’t making outwardly bad plays or mistakes doesn’t mean that he is significantly worse than league standards. Again, PFF shows 40+ TEs performing at a higher level than him. To win in the NFL you have to be better than your opponents, not just be “good enough”.
21st in receptions with 47
21st in yards with 455
Tied for 12th in touchdowns with 4
I don’t know where PFF got 43 from, but I’d say he’s somewhere around the 21st best TE.
On top of that, he is 76th among TEs in yearly salary at $1,130,985. So, if I were the Bucs, I wouldn’t expend too many resources on his replacement.
Otton regressed as a run blocker according to Pro Football Focus, earning a grade of 50 last year after a 58.8 grade as a rookie. He fared even worse as a pass protector with a 44.9 PFF grade after posting a 78.3 grade as a rookie. Otton intends to hit the weight room this offseason to help get stronger at the point of attack on the line of scrimmage.
I agree with most points you have made except for the major one, which is Otton being a "good young TE". For a guy who commits as many errors as he does as a in-line blocker and on screens, for how stiff he is as an athlete in his ability to separate, for how unimpressive his deep speed is, he is a below average starting TE that has only seen as many opportunities as he has because of him being one of the only receiving TE draft picks since 2018.Cheb wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:36 am
I digress. I'd argue that Cade Otton is a good young tight end, and Trey Palmer is pretty good. Moreover, I think we shouldn't overlook Raashad Whites's capacity as a receiver.
There are only so many balls to go around a game. The median number of passing attempts per game in the NFL last year was around 34. Looking at last year's data, Mike averages exactly 8 targets a game, Chris had near as many, so that's damn near half your passing targets per game just with those two guys. Palmer, White, and Otton averaged about 4 targets per game apiece, rounding them out to 12.
Assuming we have similar useage this season, that's 30 of our 34 pass attempts per game with just those five guys, the other four went to miscellaneous players.
I say all that to ask the following questions. Firstly, if we add a theoretical tight end or receiver, whose targets and balls is he taking? Secondly, would shifting those targets to a rookie make much of a difference in our end of season record?
Unfortunately 2013 is when the NCAA data cuts out