Anyone feeling positive about next week

[Snake]

You aren’t winning a SB with...

The cowards holy grail.
Didn't we kill this with Donovan Smith?

Enjoy 8-9 mediocrity.

You’d think watching the best player in NFL history for 3 seasons would raise expectations around here.

[13F11B]

The cowards holy grail.
Didn't we kill this with Donovan Smith?

Enjoy 8-9 mediocrity.

You’d think watching the best player in NFL history for 3 seasons would raise expectations around here.

My expectations are always high. The Buccaneers usually do not meet them.

[Doctor]

First ever divisional 3 peat and the longest running playoff streak in franchise history is a good start...

[Snake]

First ever divisional 3 peat and the longest running playoff streak in franchise history is a good start...

Context.

- worst division in NFL
- not beating winning teams under Toilet.
- first round BTFO in 2022. We will see what 2023 holds.

[Doctor]

Context, NFCS has repped the NFC in 3 of the last 8 SBs.
$80M debt
First year OC/QB combo

[13F11B]

Context, NFCS has repped the NFC in 3 of the last 8 SBs.
$80M debt
First year OC/QB combo

The Buccaneers have still not done that. Next weekend still has to be played. Not sure why you elevate a division title to being more important than at best being 17-17 over the last two years.

[Snake]

Context, NFCS has repped the NFC in 3 of the last 8 SBs.
$80M debt
First year OC/QB combo

“Hey Siri, define ‘arbitrary end points.’”

1. There are 4 divisions per conference. All things being equal, each division should put forth an SB “representative” every 4th year. Great, the NFCS has produced 3 instead of 2 during that time. Whoopie. One SB win, as expected.

2. The composition of the NFC South 8 years ago is somehow relevant to now? Every head coach is different. Every QB is different. Team ownership changes. 4 years is an eternity in the NFL. You’re talking about 8.

3. Am I supposed to care about a first year OC/QB combo when the QB has a demonstrated career of mediocrity?

4. The Buccaneers will be spending the $80m of freed “debt” to players who are already contributing today. in the form of new contracts and raises. Good on Licht for having cost controlled talent today. But, it’s not like it’s $80m they can now spend on new talent in addition to players they already have here today on 1-2-24.

[Bootz]

Context, NFCS has repped the NFC in 3 of the last 8 SBs.
$80M debt
First year OC/QB combo

The Buccaneers have still not done that. Next weekend still has to be played. Not sure why you elevate a division title to being more important than at best being 17-17 over the last two years.

Because a division titles guarantees you a spot in the tournament. This game is about winning CHAMPIONSHIPS not just having the best record.

[Snake]

You think the Bucs have a >1% chance of winning the Super Bowl this season?

[13F11B]

The Buccaneers have still not done that. Next weekend still has to be played. Not sure why you elevate a division title to being more important than at best being 17-17 over the last two years.

Because a division titles guarantees you a spot in the tournament. This game is about winning CHAMPIONSHIPS not just having the best record.

I assume you bike to work, right. The only thing that is important is getting there on time. Doesn't matter if you do it at 3 MPH or 55 MPH, rigt? Doesn't matter if you are a sweaty mess because you had to peddle vs riding in a car with AC.

So, you are saying a 9-8 team is just as good as an 12-5 or 13-4 team? This is what you are saying?

With that kind of dipshit logic evert team that does not win the Super Bowl is just as bad as the team with the first pick in the draft. Same results. Right?

[Bootz]

You think the Bucs have a >1% chance of winning the Super Bowl this season?

Pretty sure that percentage applies to all 14 teams that make the playoffs. Maybe a bit higher for the teams with bye weeks, 49ers & Ravens.

[Snake]

The history of the No. 1 seed, by the numbers

Since 1990 playoffs, when postseason expanded to 12 teams/6 per conference

Lost Divisional round: 16 times (25.8%)
Lost Championship Game: 14 times (22.6%)
Lost Super Bowl: 18 times (29.0%)
Won Super Bowl: 14 times (22.6%)
32 of the last 62 Super Bowl participants were No. 1 seeds
14 of the last 31 Super Bowl champions were No. 1 seeds (45.1%)

[Bootz]

So the Ravens and 49ers have a better chance of being 1 and done than they do of winning it all. Got it.

[Snake]

So the Ravens and 49ers have a better chance of being 1 and done than they do of winning it all. Got it.

I'm just saving this for posterity because it's Peak Bootz. Thank you.

[Bootz]

So the Ravens and 49ers have a better chance of being 1 and done than they do of winning it all. Got it.

I'm just saving this for posterity because it's Peak Bootz. Thank you.

You disagree with the data you posted?

[Jonny]

$80M debt

I'm sorry, this cannot be used as an excuse to defend Bowles.

Licht has put together a damn good roster with the meager resources at disposal. He deserves a ton of credit. He has helped retain the secondary and upgraded the D-line and O-line from 2 years back. We have as talented a roster as any in NFC South, with the core group having Superbowl winning pedigree that other teams within the division cannot claim.

Saints, Texans, Falcons, Colts did not beat the Bucs because they had higher priced or even a better roster. They beat us when they did because Bowles & Co. got out coached.

[Snake]

I'm just saving this for posterity because it's Peak Bootz. Thank you.

You disagree with the data you posted?

The implication that the NFL playoffs are a crapshoot like the MLB is demonstrably false.

[Bootz]

Lost Divisional round: 16 times (25.8%)
Won Super Bowl: 14 times (22.6%)

Again, you posted this. You disagree with it?

[Bootz]

You disagree with the data you posted?

The implication that the NFL playoffs are a crapshoot like the MLB is demonstrably false.

So I'll ask again: Do you disagree with the data you posted?

[Doctor]

So we're now complaining that Licht has to spend the freed up cap on market contracts for his players. Yeah, let's get rid of the bum who drafted them and save ourselves this awful issue.

[Snake]

What are you trying to say? Half of Super Bowl winners are #1 seeds. One fourth of #1 seeds lose their first playoff game.

[Bootz]

What are you trying to say? Half of Super Bowl winners are #1 seeds. One fourth of #1 seeds lose their first playoff game.

That's different from this

Lost Divisional round: 16 times (25.8%)
Won Super Bowl: 14 times (22.6%)

[Snake]

So we're now complaining that Licht has to spend the freed up cap on market contracts for his players. Yeah, let's get rid of the bum who drafted them and save ourselves this awful issue.

Are we complaining or addressing reality that the Bucs won’t be able to add $80m to the existing roster?

[Snake]

What are you trying to say? Half of Super Bowl winners are #1 seeds. One fourth of #1 seeds lose their first playoff game.

That's different from this

Lost Divisional round: 16 times (25.8%)
Won Super Bowl: 14 times (22.6%)

Just so I'm clear, you're hung up on the fact that #1 seeds are marginally more likely to lose a singular game than they are to win three straight games against increasingly difficult competition?

Thanks for making my point that team quality is extremely important and the playoffs aren't a crapshoot at all.

[MRM]

This is the ultimate pitfall for fans. Win and there's a third straight division title and a home playoff game against a struggling team. But that also means Baker Mayfield and Todd Bowles return. Lose and you've choked away a gimme division title and who know what they do about the QB and the head coach.

[Bootz]

That's different from this

Just so I'm clear, you're hung up on the fact that #1 seeds are marginally more likely to lose a singular game than they are to win three straight games against increasingly difficult competition?

Thanks for making my point that team quality is extremely important and the playoffs aren't a crapshoot at all.

Not hung up on it. Just pointed out that the #1 seeds are more likely lose their 1st playoff game than they are to win it all. You debated that point, which per the data YOU posted is true. Do you disagree with that point or not? It's a simple question.

[Babeinbucland]

Bowles has succeeded where everyone said he and Baker would fail and Licht knows that doesn't change with next weeks game.

Losing to the worst team in the league with a home playoff game on the line would not be succeeding.

It would be a pretty unforgivable loss

As well, no decision is made on one game. The decision is made on the overall progress or lack thereof- losing this game to the worst team right now would go in the lack thereof column

[Bootz]

Just so I'm clear, you're hung up on the fact that #1 seeds are marginally more likely to lose a singular game than they are to win three straight games against increasingly difficult competition?

Thanks for making my point that team quality is extremely important and the playoffs aren't a crapshoot at all.

Not hung up on it. Just pointed out that the #1 seeds are more likely lose their 1st playoff game than they are to win it all. You debated that point, which per the data YOU posted is true. Do you disagree with that point or not? It's a simple question.

@Snake just like I thought. Checkmate.

[Snake]

Whatever point you’re trying to make doesn’t have a logical conclusion. #1 seeds win their first playoff game 75% of the time. The end. The 1% thing that we already talked about does not apply to every team. It’s not a crapshoot. Go find your hole.

[Bootz]

Whatever point you’re trying to make doesn’t have a logical conclusion. #1 seeds win their first playoff game 75% of the time. The end. The 1% thing that we already talked about does not apply to every team. It’s not a crapshoot. Go find your hole.

You posted it!!!! The question is simple, which is why you're cowardly dodging it. Do you disagree with the data you posted, yes or no?

[Navybuc]

This is the ultimate pitfall for fans. Win and there's a third straight division title and a home playoff game against a struggling team. But that also means Baker Mayfield and Todd Bowles return. Lose and you've choked away a gimme division title and who know what they do about the QB and the head coach.

That’s why I said it might be best for us to lose this game. Ugh why couldn’t we be playing a better team. Bowles and Baker coming back is the worst thing for this franchise moving forward.

[Doctor]

Is it? Is it the worst thing?

[Snake]

Yes, because eeking into the playoffs in a trash division, and then committing to a quarterback with a limited ceiling for big money is going to keep you on the mediocrity treadmill. The mediocrity treadmill has no hope.

I’m sure the Steelers would’ve loved adding CJ Stroud to the roster. Nope, they have to keep that undefeated .500 streak going. Meanwhile, everyone knows that they are not contenders for anything. And Mike Tomlin being the just above .500 guy for the last 15 years is no good for anybody except him.

#culture
#winningcultureleftwithTB12

[Jonny]

This is the ultimate pitfall for fans. Win and there's a third straight division title and a home playoff game against a struggling team. But that also means Baker Mayfield and Todd Bowles return. Lose and you've choked away a gimme division title and who know what they do about the QB and the head coach.

That’s why I said it might be best for us to lose this game. Ugh why couldn’t we be playing a better team. Bowles and Baker coming back is the worst thing for this franchise moving forward.

Especially with this year's QB play being so shoddy, do you seriously feel like Baker is so bad that this team will be held back because of him relative to 25 other franchises in the league?

Not saying Baker is top 10 at all. He is in the 12-16 mark with room to improve or get worse like most other QBs in that range. If he can be had for a mid level contract, would it be not great to have a deep, talented roster around him capable of going toe to toe with most teams in the league?

I'd love an offensive coach like Kevin O'Connell or Shane Steichen coaching us. Heck, bring Jim Schwartz. Despite being a defensive minded HC, he favored explosive passing offense over a run oriented offense for his Lions teams.

[Doctor]

Why is 4k, 30:10 mediocre? It took Tua four years to finally get there. Rodgers and Russell Wilson too. Brees year 6. Brady 8.

But Baker is 28 and been around so ew right? Who are you, Leonardo Dicaprio?