Sooo.... Carolina?

[King Bootz]

If Darnold is a trailer, he's a trailer with 2 flat wheels. He's in that Winston, Goff, Jimmy G group that is holding a team back from reaching its full potential. Liabilities. Might look good enough to give you hope but ultimately they are who they are.

[CannonFire]

If Darnold is a trailer, he's a trailer with 2 flat wheels. He's in that Winston, Goff, Jimmy G group that is holding a team back from reaching its full potential. Liabilities. Might look good enough to give you hope but ultimately they are who they are.

Garoppolo? He's 26-10 as a starter and went to a Super Bowl! I'm not saying the guy's a super star, but there's NO WAY he belongs in a group with the other 3. I'd put Mayfield in that group long before I put Garoppolo.

[King Bootz]

If Darnold is a trailer, he's a trailer with 2 flat wheels. He's in that Winston, Goff, Jimmy G group that is holding a team back from reaching its full potential. Liabilities. Might look good enough to give you hope but ultimately they are who they are.

Garoppolo? He's 26-10 as a starter and went to a Super Bowl! I'm not saying the guy's a super star, but there's NO WAY he belongs in a group with the other 3. I'd put Mayfield in that group long before I put Garoppolo.

Yea. I suppose they traded up and drafted a QB 3rd overall for the depth, huh?

[CannonFire]

Garoppolo? He's 26-10 as a starter and went to a Super Bowl! I'm not saying the guy's a super star, but there's NO WAY he belongs in a group with the other 3. I'd put Mayfield in that group long before I put Garoppolo.

Yea. I suppose they traded up and drafted a QB 3rd overall for the depth, huh?

Doesn't mean they're right. I think San Frans decision to get Lance was more about Garoppolo's durability than it was his ability to play the game.

[BLT]

Not according to NFL media and the San Francisco 49ers.

[Miller4Prez64]

If Darnold is a trailer, he's a trailer with 2 flat wheels. He's in that Winston, Goff, Jimmy G group that is holding a team back from reaching its full potential. Liabilities. Might look good enough to give you hope but ultimately they are who they are.

Garoppolo? He's 26-10 as a starter and went to a Super Bowl! I'm not saying the guy's a super star, but there's NO WAY he belongs in a group with the other 3. I'd put Mayfield in that group long before I put Garoppolo.

Having a winning record doesn’t make someone a good NFL QB necessarily. Guys like Tim Tebow and Vince Young had winning records but their time as a starting QB didn’t last all that long.

[acmillis]

Garoppolo? He's 26-10 as a starter and went to a Super Bowl! I'm not saying the guy's a super star, but there's NO WAY he belongs in a group with the other 3. I'd put Mayfield in that group long before I put Garoppolo.

Having a winning record doesn’t make someone a good NFL QB necessarily. Guys like Tim Tebow and Vince Young had winning records but their time as a starting QB didn’t last all that long.

Agreed. Hell, Mark Sanchez was 34-30 as a Jet and went to B2B AFC Championship games. Sanchez completed 55% of his passes and threw 68 TDs and 69 INTs...he ain't good.

[Buc2]

Eli Manning won 2 SB rings and he kinda sucked too.

[King Bootz]

San Francisco traded 2 1st round picks and a 3rd to move up to the #3 spot. They did it before the draft. Trust me, they didn't do this because they were worried about Jimmy Gs health. They know what they have in him. We've seen his best and it ain't enough.

[CannonFire]

Having a winning record doesn’t make someone a good NFL QB necessarily. Guys like Tim Tebow and Vince Young had winning records but their time as a starting QB didn’t last all that long.

Agreed. Hell, Mark Sanchez was 34-30 as a Jet and went to B2B AFC Championship games. Sanchez completed 55% of his passes and threw 68 TDs and 69 INTs...he ain't good.

Come on now. Garoppolo's numbers are far superior to theirs. For his career, he's completed over 67% of his passes, with an average yard per attempt of 8.2. His TD% is 5.2 and has a 2:1 TD/Int ratio. His career passer rating is over 98.7.

Tebow completed 47% of his passes averaging 6.5 yards per attempt. His career passer rating is 75.3. Vince Young completed 57.9% with aya of 6.9 and a career passer rating of 74.4. Sanchez's numbers are similar to Young. I mean, they're not even in the same class.

Josh Allen is 32-17, completing 62.2% of his passes for 7.3 y/a and has a 5.2 TD% and a career passer rating of 92.3.

Like I said, Garoppolo's issue is that he can't stay healthy. The fact that he's 30 and injury prone is why the 49ers looked to replace him, not because he's not good.

[uscbucsfan]

Garoppolo is not a good QB and this is why just using numbers fails as an argument. He's mostly had awesome teams around him and when he's needed most, rarely comes up big.

San Francisco traded 2 1st round picks and a 3rd to move up to the #3 spot. They did it before the draft. Trust me, they didn't do this because they were worried about Jimmy Gs health. They know what they have in him. We've seen his best and it ain't enough.

This is reality.

It's like when people point out Bridgewater's numbers in Carolina or even Denver and point to him being a good QB.

[Snake]

Agreed. Hell, Mark Sanchez was 34-30 as a Jet and went to B2B AFC Championship games. Sanchez completed 55% of his passes and threw 68 TDs and 69 INTs...he ain't good.

Come on now. Garoppolo's numbers are far superior to theirs. For his career, he's completed over 67% of his passes, with an average yard per attempt of 8.2. His TD% is 5.2 and has a 2:1 TD/Int ratio. His career passer rating is over 98.7.

Tebow completed 47% of his passes averaging 6.5 yards per attempt. His career passer rating is 75.3. Vince Young completed 57.9% with aya of 6.9 and a career passer rating of 74.4. Sanchez's numbers are similar to Young. I mean, they're not even in the same class.

Josh Allen is 32-17, completing 62.2% of his passes for 7.3 y/a and has a 5.2 TD% and a career passer rating of 92.3.

Like I said, Garoppolo's issue is that he can't stay healthy. The fact that he's 30 and injury prone is why the 49ers looked to replace him, not because he's not good.

Rewatch the Super Bowl. Jimmy G can’t operate off script. The guy they drafted, and most of the kids being drafted these days, excel in that regard. His HC is a brilliant offensive play caller and has put him in excellent positions to succeed. Won’t hold it against him. However I will hold his lack of dynamicism and Glorified Game Manager status against him.

[King Bootz]

Shanahan made the mistake of putting the game in Jimmy's hands and it cost them the game.

[CannonFire]

Shanahan made the mistake of putting the game in Jimmy's hands and it cost them the game.

Yeah, that was it. It wasn't the fact that his defense went prevent and gave up 21 points in the 4th quarter. It was all Garoppolo's fault... the guy who helped build a 20-10 lead through 3 quarters. Shanahan choked. That's what cost them the game. Their defense OWNED KC through 3 quarters and he choked. Through 3 quarters, the Chiefs had 10 points, 250 total yards, and 2 INT's. In the 4th Q alone, they had 21 points and 190 yards on 3 drives. I guess Garoppolo should've made more tackles or picked off a few passes... instead, he was sitting on the sideline.

[uscbucsfan]

Yeah, that was it. It wasn't the fact that his defense went prevent and gave up 21 points in the 4th quarter. It was all Garoppolo's fault... the guy who helped build a 20-10 lead through 3 quarters. Shanahan choked. That's what cost them the game. Their defense OWNED KC through 3 quarters and he choked. Through 3 quarters, the Chiefs had 10 points, 250 total yards, and 2 INT's. In the 4th Q alone, they had 21 points and 190 yards on 3 drives. I guess Garoppolo should've made more tackles or picked off a few passes... instead, he was sitting on the sideline.

He had a 2.8 rating in the 4th quarter and looked absolutely lost when they needed him.

He was worst QBs in any Superbowl in history under pressure. I think I remember that correctly.

The point is that he isn't a good QB.

[acmillis]

Shanahan made the mistake of putting the game in Jimmy's hands and it cost them the game.

Yeah, that was it. It wasn't the fact that his defense went prevent and gave up 21 points in the 4th quarter. It was all Garoppolo's fault... the guy who helped build a 20-10 lead through 3 quarters. Shanahan choked. That's what cost them the game. Their defense OWNED KC through 3 quarters and he choked. Through 3 quarters, the Chiefs had 10 points, 250 total yards, and 2 INT's. In the 4th Q alone, they had 21 points and 190 yards on 3 drives. I guess Garoppolo should've made more tackles or picked off a few passes... instead, he was sitting on the sideline.

We must not forget that the Falcons blew a 28-3 lead in a SB.

[King Bootz]

Shanahan made the mistake of putting the game in Jimmy's hands and it cost them the game.

Yeah, that was it. It wasn't the fact that his defense went prevent and gave up 21 points in the 4th quarter. It was all Garoppolo's fault... the guy who helped build a 20-10 lead through 3 quarters. Shanahan choked. That's what cost them the game. Their defense OWNED KC through 3 quarters and he choked. Through 3 quarters, the Chiefs had 10 points, 250 total yards, and 2 INT's. In the 4th Q alone, they had 21 points and 190 yards on 3 drives. I guess Garoppolo should've made more tackles or picked off a few passes... instead, he was sitting on the sideline.

Yes, that was it. 1 TD, 2 picks and a complete shrinkage in the 4th quarter.

[acmillis]

Yeah, that was it. It wasn't the fact that his defense went prevent and gave up 21 points in the 4th quarter. It was all Garoppolo's fault... the guy who helped build a 20-10 lead through 3 quarters. Shanahan choked. That's what cost them the game. Their defense OWNED KC through 3 quarters and he choked. Through 3 quarters, the Chiefs had 10 points, 250 total yards, and 2 INT's. In the 4th Q alone, they had 21 points and 190 yards on 3 drives. I guess Garoppolo should've made more tackles or picked off a few passes... instead, he was sitting on the sideline.

Yes, that was it. 1 TD, 2 picks and a complete shrinkage in the 4th quarter.

Hey… it was cold, alright?!?!?!

[Dread]

Shanahan made the mistake of putting the game in Jimmy's hands and it cost them the game.

Yeah, that was it. It wasn't the fact that his defense went prevent and gave up 21 points in the 4th quarter. It was all Garoppolo's fault... the guy who helped build a 20-10 lead through 3 quarters. Shanahan choked. That's what cost them the game. Their defense OWNED KC through 3 quarters and he choked. Through 3 quarters, the Chiefs had 10 points, 250 total yards, and 2 INT's. In the 4th Q alone, they had 21 points and 190 yards on 3 drives. I guess Garoppolo should've made more tackles or picked off a few passes... instead, he was sitting on the sideline.

There was a deep pass where Emmanuel Sanders had broken wide open the would've iced the game late in the 4th quarter.

Jimmy G missed it, they punted a few plays later and that was all she wrote.

The 49ers defense played well enough to win. Sure they caved in the 4th a bit, but the 49ers offense had they opportunity to put the dagger in and the QB missed the throw.

JimmyG is ok, but you're not winning a SB with him. The 49er team with the defense they had and complimentary run game was the only shot he'll ever get

[CannonFire]

Yeah, that was it. It wasn't the fact that his defense went prevent and gave up 21 points in the 4th quarter. It was all Garoppolo's fault... the guy who helped build a 20-10 lead through 3 quarters. Shanahan choked. That's what cost them the game. Their defense OWNED KC through 3 quarters and he choked. Through 3 quarters, the Chiefs had 10 points, 250 total yards, and 2 INT's. In the 4th Q alone, they had 21 points and 190 yards on 3 drives. I guess Garoppolo should've made more tackles or picked off a few passes... instead, he was sitting on the sideline.

We must not forget that the Falcons blew a 28-3 lead in a SB.

Fair point.

[CannonFire]

Yeah, that was it. It wasn't the fact that his defense went prevent and gave up 21 points in the 4th quarter. It was all Garoppolo's fault... the guy who helped build a 20-10 lead through 3 quarters. Shanahan choked. That's what cost them the game. Their defense OWNED KC through 3 quarters and he choked. Through 3 quarters, the Chiefs had 10 points, 250 total yards, and 2 INT's. In the 4th Q alone, they had 21 points and 190 yards on 3 drives. I guess Garoppolo should've made more tackles or picked off a few passes... instead, he was sitting on the sideline.

He had a 2.8 rating in the 4th quarter and looked absolutely lost when they needed him.

He was worst QBs in any Superbowl in history under pressure. I think I remember that correctly.

The point is that he isn't a good QB.

Yeah, I'm sure you do.

[CannonFire]

Looks like there's a lot of guys here who are butt hurt by Garoppolo for some reason. Whatever. I leave you guys to your thoughts.

[uscbucsfan]

Looks like there's a lot of guys here who are butt hurt by Garoppolo for some reason. Whatever. I leave you guys to your thoughts.

No one is butt hurt, he's just not good. That's why SF traded up in the 1st to replace him.

Jared Goff or Teddy Bridgewater aren't good QBs either, but you could post stats that say otherwise.

Are you really dying on the hill that the 49ers and the rest here are wrong on their assessment or that he played well in the Superbowl?

[BJJ34]

Jimmy G is more injury prone than an NBA player on a huge contract looking for a trade secretly.

[uscbucsfan]

He had a 2.8 rating in the 4th quarter and looked absolutely lost when they needed him.

He was worst QBs in any Superbowl in history under pressure. I think I remember that correctly.

The point is that he isn't a good QB.

Yeah, I'm sure you do.

Jimmy G with *NO Pressure:
86% comp
199 yards
1 TD
119.5 passer rating

Jimmy G when *UNDER PRESSURE:
11% comp
20 yards
2 INT, 1 SK
0.0 passer rating


Jimmy Garoppolo’s 4th Qtr Passer Rating (2.8) ranks 42nd of the 42 starting QB’s in the Super Bowl since the stat was tracked in 1999 by @pfref

[Snake]

Holy shit lol

[BJJ34]

Yeah, I'm sure you do.

Jimmy G with *NO Pressure:
86% comp
199 yards
1 TD
119.5 passer rating

Jimmy G when *UNDER PRESSURE:
11% comp
20 yards
2 INT, 1 SK
0.0 passer rating


Jimmy Garoppolo’s 4th Qtr Passer Rating (2.8) ranks 42nd of the 42 starting QB’s in the Super Bowl since the stat was tracked in 1999 by @pfref

So you’re saying to have 6-7 linemen for the guy?


Brady’s stats under pressure suck too though. Dude gets hit a couple times and his entire game becomes rushed.

[King Bootz]

San Francisco doesn't have a 1st round pick until 2024. That's how much they wanted a new QB. You don't do that just because you don't think he can stay healthy. They could've stayed where they were and taken another QB. But they wanted so badly to get a good prospect they mortgaged the future to get in the top 3.

[Buc2]

Yep. They learned what Billichick already knew... That Grappalo sucked. NE didn't trade him to make Brady happy. Brady already knew Grappalo wasn't going to be his replacement because he just wasn't very good.

[uscbucsfan]

Yep. They learned what Billichick already knew... That Grappalo sucked. NE didn't trade him to make Brady happy. Brady already knew Grappalo wasn't going to be his replacement because he just wasn't very good.

That's contradictory to the reports and the Wickersham book.

There's also a quote from Brady on Howard Stern that contradicts that as well.

[Buc2]

Yep. They learned what Billichick already knew... That Grappalo sucked. NE didn't trade him to make Brady happy. Brady already knew Grappalo wasn't going to be his replacement because he just wasn't very good.

That's contradictory to the reports and the Wickersham book.

There's also a quote from Brady on Howard Stern that contradicts that as well.

Hadn't seen any of that. I stand corrected.

[King Bootz]

Yep. They learned what Billichick already knew... That Grappalo sucked. NE didn't trade him to make Brady happy. Brady already knew Grappalo wasn't going to be his replacement because he just wasn't very good.

[uscbucsfan]

That's contradictory to the reports and the Wickersham book.

There's also a quote from Brady on Howard Stern that contradicts that as well.

Hadn't seen any of that. I stand corrected.

The book states that Bill tried to trade Brady and keep Jimmy, but Brady went to Kraft and the rest is history.

It also states that Brady's first choice in FA was SF, but they thought he was washed up...Tampa was one of very few teams that wanted Brady and it wasn't at all like when Manning went out and looked for teams, which Brady thought it would be.

I guess Shanahan kind of confirmed this (hadn't read this before):

We were so happy with our team and happy with Jimmy [Garoppolo]. And yeah, it didn't end the way we wanted. We can all do better—myself, Jimmy—and I expect it. But that's not any plan we're trying to (plot out). And then, all of a sudden, you hear that arguably the greatest quarterback of all time is all of a sudden available and there is a possibility that he could want to come to your team and things like that. And when you hear that stuff and it actually is realistic, for you not to look into it, to me, would be completely irresponsible.

So once we realized and heard that, you know, this could be realistic, this isn't just talk, we looked into it all, and especially with the respect we have for Tom and everything and how great of a player he is, we looked into it to try to see if it would be better for our team this year and in the future. And when we weighed it all together, we didn't think it would. And we felt great with where we're at. Kind of confirmed how we are with Jimmy.

[King Bootz]

At the time many felt the Pats sold low on Jimmy G, they only got a 2nd. Truth is Kraft told him to trade Jimmy.

[Buc2]

Yep. They learned what Billichick already knew... That Grappalo sucked. NE didn't trade him to make Brady happy. Brady already knew Grappalo wasn't going to be his replacement because he just wasn't very good.

Too late, King Narcissist. usc beat you to it.