Sooo.... Carolina?

[AJPG]

Lol

[nybf]

[CannonFire]

I'm not concerned about the panthers either, but if what you saw last night was "at best a below average qb," you have no idea what you're looking at.

Against Houston?

How'd he look the last two weeks? Not counting the 4th Q when the Panthers started it being down 33-14, Darnold is 36-61 (59%), for 365 yards 1 TD, and 5 Int's. Would you say that's "at best a below average qb"?

Let's include that Houston game and the 4th Q that meant nothing to Dallas, Darnold is 70-110 (63.6%), for 782 yards with 3 TD's and 5 Int's in his last 3 games. That's not "at best a below average qb"?

[Doooshnzl]

I'm not concerned about the panthers either, but if what you saw last night was "at best a below average qb," you have no idea what you're looking at.

Against Houston?

How'd he look the last two weeks? Not counting the 4th Q when the Panthers started it being down 33-14, Darnold is 36-61 (59%), for 365 yards 1 TD, and 5 Int's. Would you say that's "at best a below average qb"?

Let's include that Houston game and the 4th Q that meant nothing to Dallas, Darnold is 70-110 (63.6%), for 782 yards with 3 TD's and 5 Int's in his last 3 games. That's not "at best a below average qb"?

But the yards!

[King Bootz]

The idea that Sam Darnold is anything more than a below average QB stems exclusively from him being the #2 overall pick 4 drafts ago. That's it.

He's not a good QB. Can't read a defense. Makes bad decisions. Not productive enough. Carolina got him for relative peanuts and didn't even sign him to an extension. His 5th option was exercised but is not guaranteed until the new league year starts. So if the trends continue, expect Carolina to be starting a new QB in 2022.

[King Bootz]

Against Houston?

How'd he look the last two weeks? Not counting the 4th Q when the Panthers started it being down 33-14, Darnold is 36-61 (59%), for 365 yards 1 TD, and 5 Int's. Would you say that's "at best a below average qb"?

Let's include that Houston game and the 4th Q that meant nothing to Dallas, Darnold is 70-110 (63.6%), for 782 yards with 3 TD's and 5 Int's in his last 3 games. That's not "at best a below average qb"?

But the yards!

You know how much this fanbase loves those yards.

[Cheb]

Darnold is pretty far down on the list of things that worry me when playing the Panthers. Six touchdowns with a matching six interceptions after five games does not an elite quarterback make.

[Snake]

Darnold was one of those guys coming out where it made me question the entire decision making process for a sports league. Like, what are they seeing that I am not? He was clearly a mediocre QB prospect. He was big and moved well. That’s it.

[BLT]

Sam Darnold is absolutely a less than mediocre QB what

[13F11B]

Sam Darnold is absolutely a less than mediocre QB what

So, against the Buccaneers secondary, he will look like Joe Montana of the 49ers years?

[Bucsfan83]

Sam Darnold is absolutely a less than mediocre QB what

So, against the Buccaneers secondary, he will look like Joe Montana of the 49ers years?

Against our Pass D, we'll make anyone look like Joe Montana.

[MJW]

Didn't know if it was Darnold or the Jets.

It was clearly both. The Jets did almost nothing to help him out and were coached first by a defensive guy and then by a joke.

But clearly, Darnold wasn't part of the solution. Now that he's (generally) in a good spot, he's doing the same stupid stuff he was doing with the Jets. Errant throws, questionable decisions, etc. Dude is a bust.

And that's great news for us, because if he turned out to be great, we'd have a real problem on our hands with the Panthers.

[Primeminister]

Ha! Well done.

[Primeminister]

So, against the Buccaneers secondary, he will look like Joe Montana of the 49ers years?

Against our Pass D, we'll make anyone look like Joe Montana.

Except Jalen Hurts

[MJW]

Against our Pass D, we'll make anyone look like Joe Montana.

Except Jalen Hurts

Hurts seems limited to me. Granted, we had heat on him most of the night. But he seems to struggle with reads and throwing guys open consistently. And unlike our friend Lamar Jackson, he's not a talented enough runner to compensate for that. And the Eagles don't seem interested in handing the ball off and helping his down and distance very much.

I'll be interested to see how he develops. I see a borderline starter/top backup right now. A guy who can win games, but probably isn't going to consistently be the reason you win games.

[Primeminister]

Except Jalen Hurts

Hurts seems limited to me. Granted, we had heat on him most of the night. But he seems to struggle with reads and throwing guys open consistently. And unlike our friend Lamar Jackson, he's not a talented enough runner to compensate for that. And the Eagles don't seem interested in handing the ball off and helping his down and distance very much.

I'll be interested to see how he develops. I see a borderline starter/top backup right now. A guy who can win games, but probably isn't going to consistently be the reason you win games.

I wouldn’t trust my future to Hurts. He is too limited in his ability. He doesn’t pass the ball well enough to win games consistently and that hurting his team. He left a lot of yards and some points on the field tonight.

[BlackTrumpFan]

Sam darnold was getting the praise early in the season that Winston should have got

[MJW]

Hurts seems limited to me. Granted, we had heat on him most of the night. But he seems to struggle with reads and throwing guys open consistently. And unlike our friend Lamar Jackson, he's not a talented enough runner to compensate for that. And the Eagles don't seem interested in handing the ball off and helping his down and distance very much.

I'll be interested to see how he develops. I see a borderline starter/top backup right now. A guy who can win games, but probably isn't going to consistently be the reason you win games.

I wouldn’t trust my future to Hurts. He is too limited in his ability. He doesn’t pass the ball well enough to win games consistently and that hurting his team. He left a lot of yards and some points on the field tonight.

I just don't see any elite traits to his game. He's got a pretty good arm. He's fairly accurate. He's a good athlete, but not exceptional at this level. There's a lot to like about what he can do, but nothing to love.

The list of "this is the guy!" quarterbacks who don't possess at least one elite trait is basically zero. Guys like that generally end up as stopgap starters and top paid backup types.

Unless I'm dead wrong on that, I'd fully expect SIriani to find his own guy this offseason. They have Miami's first rounder along with their own, and at this rate both of them could end up being top ten. They also have Indy's 2nd rounder. They'll have options providing a few guys distinguish themselves as worthwhile prospects.

TBH, it almost reminds me of when Glennon was here. Hurts is a better QB than Glennon. But we had a young guy who did some nice things but clearly was never going to be a star. You don't pass on a QB you love in the draft for a guy like that.

[Primeminister]

I wouldn’t trust my future to Hurts. He is too limited in his ability. He doesn’t pass the ball well enough to win games consistently and that hurting his team. He left a lot of yards and some points on the field tonight.

I just don't see any elite traits to his game. He's got a pretty good arm. He's fairly accurate. He's a good athlete, but not exceptional at this level. There's a lot to like about what he can do, but nothing to love.

The list of "this is the guy!" quarterbacks who don't possess at least one elite trait is basically zero. Guys like that generally end up as stopgap starters and top paid backup types.

Unless I'm dead wrong on that, I'd fully expect SIriani to find his own guy this offseason. They have Miami's first rounder along with their own, and at this rate both of them could end up being top ten. They also have Indy's 2nd rounder. They'll have options providing a few guys distinguish themselves as worthwhile prospects.

TBH, it almost reminds me of when Glennon was here. Hurts is a better QB than Glennon. But we had a young guy who did some nice things but clearly was never going to be a star. You don't pass on a QB you love in the draft for a guy like that.

Good call on the draft. I happen to believe Sirianni is a bad coach, but regardless if I’m him I go down with my guy. I wouldn’t leave my career in Hurt’s hands especially considering the ammo they’ll have in the draft.

Hurts doesn’t even seem like an elite scrambler with the football. At no point tonight was I concerned he would carve out defense up with his legs. He can move and needs to be accounted for, but he simply isn’t a weapon back there.

[King Bootz]

Darnold- 6-20 65 yards and a pick. He is who he is.

[Primeminister]

Darnold has a bunch of drops going against him as well

[Primeminister]

Darnold has converted 4th & 10 and 4th & 6 to come within 2 points of tying.

[Primeminister]

Tie game with 42 seconds to go. Wow

[King Bootz]

3-3. We still worried?

[Central_Buc]

[acmillis]

Insert cat jumping out of window gif...

[Pelagic_and_Pewter]

It was cute while it lasted.

[BLT]

Didn't know if it was Darnold or the Jets.

It was clearly both. The Jets did almost nothing to help him out and were coached first by a defensive guy and then by a joke.

But clearly, Darnold wasn't part of the solution. Now that he's (generally) in a good spot, he's doing the same stupid stuff he was doing with the Jets. Errant throws, questionable decisions, etc. Dude is a bust.

No offense but, duh.

I really don't know anyone that thought Sam Darnold was going to be a good QB coming out of USC either. Most people thought that was a bad pick by the Jets.

[BLT]

Sam darnold was getting the praise early in the season that Winston should have got

You're dumb.

[MJW]

Didn't know if it was Darnold or the Jets.

It was clearly both. The Jets did almost nothing to help him out and were coached first by a defensive guy and then by a joke.

But clearly, Darnold wasn't part of the solution. Now that he's (generally) in a good spot, he's doing the same stupid stuff he was doing with the Jets. Errant throws, questionable decisions, etc. Dude is a bust.

No offense but, duh.

I really don't know anyone that thought Sam Darnold was going to be a good QB coming out of USC either. Most people thought that was a bad pick by the Jets.

This is some hardcore revisionist history. I would say probably 7 out of 10 of the talking heads expected Darnold to be the #1 overall pick that year. There was mild surprise when he wasn't, to say the least.

As for his game, I watched the Vikings game this week. Darnold...the guy has more talent than I gave him credit for. His drive, down 8, late in the 4th, was one of the best drives I've seen a quarterback put together all year. He completed two big throws on 4th down that were absolute, elite QB moneytime throws. He threw in a few huge scrambles, too. It's all forgotten now because they lost, but you should watch the game highlights and see that drive.

I seriously doubt he's ever going to be consistent enough to be great. At least, I haven't seen it yet. But when he's on, he's really damn good. He's a much different QB than Winston, but in that sense they're similar. He'll absolutely win you games. But he'll lose you games too.

[BLT]

Not in my opinion...

[Dread]

No offense but, duh.

I really don't know anyone that thought Sam Darnold was going to be a good QB coming out of USC either. Most people thought that was a bad pick by the Jets.

This is some hardcore revisionist history. I would say probably 7 out of 10 of the talking heads expected Darnold to be the #1 overall pick that year. There was mild surprise when he wasn't, to say the least.

As for his game, I watched the Vikings game this week. Darnold...the guy has more talent than I gave him credit for. His drive, down 8, late in the 4th, was one of the best drives I've seen a quarterback put together all year. He completed two big throws on 4th down that were absolute, elite QB moneytime throws. He threw in a few huge scrambles, too. It's all forgotten now because they lost, but you should watch the game highlights and see that drive.

I seriously doubt he's ever going to be consistent enough to be great. At least, I haven't seen it yet. But when he's on, he's really damn good. He's a much different QB than Winston, but in that sense they're similar. He'll absolutely win you games. But he'll lose you games too.

DJ and Bucky from NFLN's 'Move the Sticks' podcast both seem to agree that Darnold could end up having a Ryan Tannehill type of career arc.

They also use an analogy I like when describing QBs that they are either 'trucks or trailers' which means they either have the goods/talent pull the team up and make everyone better (elite QBs like Mahomes, Herbert, LJ, Brady, Allen, Kyler, Russ, ARod) are "trucks", or they require a great roster and scheme to be a good team to pull them across the finish line as if they are a trailer getting towed (most other QBs like Baker, Cousins, Tannehill, etc)

As it relates to Sam Darnold, he's a trailer (at-best).

[BLT]

When you give Sam Darnold more respect than Lamar Jackson it’s time for a break.

[mdb1958]

Panthers are a team we need to beat twice, I shouldnt have to tell ya.

[CannonFire]

This is some hardcore revisionist history. I would say probably 7 out of 10 of the talking heads expected Darnold to be the #1 overall pick that year. There was mild surprise when he wasn't, to say the least.

As for his game, I watched the Vikings game this week. Darnold...the guy has more talent than I gave him credit for. His drive, down 8, late in the 4th, was one of the best drives I've seen a quarterback put together all year. He completed two big throws on 4th down that were absolute, elite QB moneytime throws. He threw in a few huge scrambles, too. It's all forgotten now because they lost, but you should watch the game highlights and see that drive.

I seriously doubt he's ever going to be consistent enough to be great. At least, I haven't seen it yet. But when he's on, he's really damn good. He's a much different QB than Winston, but in that sense they're similar. He'll absolutely win you games. But he'll lose you games too.

DJ and Bucky from NFLN's 'Move the Sticks' podcast both seem to agree that Darnold could end up having a Ryan Tannehill type of career arc.

They also use an analogy I like when describing QBs that they are either 'trucks or trailers' which means they either have the goods/talent pull the team up and make everyone better (elite QBs like Mahomes, Herbert, LJ, Brady, Allen, Kyler, Russ, ARod) are "trucks", or they require a great roster and scheme to be a good team to pull them across the finish line as if they are a trailer getting towed (most other QBs like Baker, Cousins, Tannehill, etc)

As it relates to Sam Darnold, he's a trailer (at-best).

Yeah, I think this is a pretty good take.