Shohei Ohtani

[Bootz]

Because what in the actual fuck!!!

[Phantom]

No, he will not be joining the Rays to play.


Congratulations to Dodgers

[These Are The Days]

And the Rays may not even have a $70 million payroll and this dude averages that for the next 10 years. This is out of control man

[Snake]

That’s a lot of money for a DH

[Bootz]

And the Rays may not even have a $70 million payroll and this dude averages that for the next 10 years. This is out of control man

His AAV is more than what the Orioles and A’s had last season. I have to watch more Dodger games now.

[Phantom]

That’s a lot of money for a DH

And pitcher.

[Snake]

That’s a lot of money for a DH

And pitcher.

I think that’s the big question. He’s had Tommy John surgery twice. He pops that UCL again, I don’t think there’s any precedent for a guy to come back off three tears and still be a high-level pitcher.

[BuccaNOLEer]

And pitcher.

I think that’s the big question. He’s had Tommy John surgery twice. He pops that UCL again, I don’t think there’s any precedent for a guy to come back off three tears and still be a high-level pitcher.

Not to mention that baseball contracts are 100% guaranteed

[Phantom]

....

[Snake]

Ohtani is only getting $2 million a year for the next 10 years. With $680 million deferred?

What in the flying fuck what the fuck

[Bootz]

So MLB approves money laundering apparently.

[Snake]

I guess the next lockout is going to be a long one

[acmillis]

Ohtani is only getting $2 million a year for the next 10 years. With $680 million deferred?

What in the flying fuck what the fuck

Very common practice in baseball for large contracts.

[Snake]

Ohtani is only getting $2 million a year for the next 10 years. With $680 million deferred?

What in the flying fuck what the fuck

Very common practice in baseball for large contracts.

Not to this degree.

Considering the time value of $, this deal is more like 10 yrs 450m when it’s all said and done.

[Phantom]

I don't think Ohtani is worth that much. He's average.

[SaggyBallZ]

Ohtani is only getting $2 million a year for the next 10 years. With $680 million deferred?

What in the flying fuck what the fuck

man that is crazy!

probably smart on his behalf, he is probably making tons in sponsorships. he will get his baseball money after he retires

[SaggyBallZ]

Very common practice in baseball for large contracts.

Not to this degree.

Considering the time value of $, this deal is more like 10 yrs 450m when it’s all said and done.

with our current inflation, it's more like $450,000

[uscbucsfan1]

I don't think Ohtani is worth that much. He's average.

The guy who won the last 2 of 3 MVPs and Silver Slugger awards, who also lead MLB in HRs is "average"?

All of that and he's also 38-19 with a 3.01 ERA and 606 strikeouts.

I think the contract is crazy with his injuries, but saying the best baseball player since Babe Ruth is average is a step too far.

His WAR has been almost 2 points above the 2nd place for the last 2 of 3 years and only slightly behind Judge 2 years ago. Still 1.5 above the Acuna in 3rd.

[Phantom]

It's my opinion. If you don't like it, kindly move on. Thanks

[Snake]

Shohei Ohtani, the hitter, in 135 games in 2023.

- 44 home runs (1st in AL, 3rd in MLB)
- 1.066 OPS (1st in MLB)
- 184 OPS+ (1st in MLB)

Shohei Ohtani, the pitcher, in 23 starts in 2023.

- 142 ERA+ (Tied for 6th in MLB among starters)
- 1.06 WHIP (2nd in MLB among starters)
- 11.4 K/9 (Tied for 4th in MLB among starters)


He's quite literally elite as both a hitter and a pitcher. LOL!

[uscbucsfan1]

Shohei Ohtani, the hitter, in 135 games in 2023.

- 44 home runs (1st in AL, 3rd in MLB)
- 1.066 OPS (1st in MLB)
- 184 OPS+ (1st in MLB)

Shohei Ohtani, the pitcher, in 23 starts in 2023.

- 142 ERA+ (Tied for 6th in MLB among starters)
- 1.06 WHIP (2nd in MLB among starters)
- 11.4 K/9 (Tied for 4th in MLB among starters)


He's quite literally elite as both a hitter and a pitcher. LOL!

Nah, he's average like Michael Jordan and Jerry Rice.

[Phantom]

Dude, you just like to argue over nothing. It's your shtick.

[Bootz]

Shohei Ohtani, the hitter, in 135 games in 2023.

- 44 home runs (1st in AL, 3rd in MLB)
- 1.066 OPS (1st in MLB)
- 184 OPS+ (1st in MLB)

Shohei Ohtani, the pitcher, in 23 starts in 2023.

- 142 ERA+ (Tied for 6th in MLB among starters)
- 1.06 WHIP (2nd in MLB among starters)
- 11.4 K/9 (Tied for 4th in MLB among starters)


He's quite literally elite as both a hitter and a pitcher. LOL!

I haven't kept up with much baseball on the west coast but he's got I'm excited to pay close attention to him going forward. Average?? AI is on some other shit here.

[uscbucsfan1]

Dude, you just like to argue over nothing. It's your shtick.

You're calling the baseball unicorn average with no backing or substance.

How would you not expect pushback. It's like when Lugz said Mahomes sucked...nearly everyone had a response.

He's the best player in baseball and doing something no one had done since Babe Ruth. Are you evaluating his looks?

This isn't being argumentative, this is calling out a really dumb post.

[Snake]

I’m not saying Shohei Ohtani was betting on baseball, but I’m not saying he wasn’t. This whole story about his interpreter stealing his money feels like a cover story or a fall guy to me.

[Phantom]

I’m not saying Shohei Ohtani was betting on baseball, but I’m not saying he wasn’t. This whole story about his interpreter stealing his money feels like a cover story or a fall guy to me.

I had the same suspicion when I first heard about it.

[Snake]

The options appear to be thus:

1. Ohtani is a degenerate gambler, and he funnels the money through his interpreter. His interpreter took the fall.

2. The interpreter had direct access to his bank account and stole money from him. That makes no sense.

3. The interpreter owed millions in gambling debts. Ohtani gave him money to cover the debts. Not realizing that it is illegal. I wish I had a friend who was that nice lol.

Hmm

[Phantom]

The options appear to be thus:

1. Ohtani is a degenerate gambler, and he funnels the money through his interpreter. His interpreter took the fall.

2. The interpreter had direct access to his bank account and stole money from him. That makes no sense.

3. The interpreter owed millions in gambling debts. Ohtani gave him money to cover the debts. Not realizing that it is illegal. I wish I had a friend who was that nice lol.

Hmm

Why the interpreter had direct access to his account. Why can't Ohtani do it himself?

[Phantom]

Dude, you just like to argue over nothing. It's your shtick.

You're calling the baseball unicorn average with no backing or substance.

How would you not expect pushback. It's like when Lugz said Mahomes sucked...nearly everyone had a response.

He's the best player in baseball and doing something no one had done since Babe Ruth. Are you evaluating his looks?

This isn't being argumentative, this is calling out a really dumb post.

You just enjoy arguing for the sake of it, based on your history of posts on this forum and others. It doesn't matter to me. My opinion stand. Dumb post


Best player? My ass

[Phantom]

Interestimg read.

This confirms my suspicions I had about him.

https://huddleup.substack.com/p/shohei- ... g-story-is

A massive sports gambling scandal broke last night involving MLB superstar Shohei Ohtani. On the surface, the allegations are simple — Ohtani’s interpreter stole $4.5 million from him and lost it gambling on sports. But when you dig into the details, much of what is said doesn’t add up, and this could get messier before it gets better.

The story starts with Mathew Bowyer. The FBI is currently investigating Bowyer for running an illegal bookmaking scheme in Southern California. ESPN and the LA Times were then alerted to Ohtani’s name being included in some of the files, including two $500,000 payments directly from Ohtani’s bank account to Bowyer.

When Trish Thompson, ESPN’s investigative reporter, started asking around, Shohei Ohtani’s representatives said that it was actually Ohtani’s long-time interpreter, Ippei Mizuhara, betting on sports and Ohtani had transferred the money to cover his losses.

Ohtani’s representatives then offered up Mizuhara for a 90-minute interview on Tuesday night. According to ESPN, Mizuhara was extremely open, saying he started placing bets on credit with Bowyer after meeting him at a San Diego poker game in 2021. His losses reached $1 million by the end of 2022 and then ballooned from there.

"I'm terrible [at gambling]. Never going to do it again. Never won any money," Mizuhara said. "I mean, I dug myself a hole and it kept on getting bigger, and it meant I had to bet bigger to get out of it and just kept on losing. It's like a snowball effect."

Mizuhara told ESPN that he routinely bet on international soccer, basketball, and football — but never baseball. "I never bet on baseball," Mizuhara told ESPN. "That's 100 percent. I knew that rule. ... We have a meeting about that in spring training."

Mizuhara also said that he promised to pay Ohtani back the money. But after agreeing to cover his friend’s losses, Ohtani wasn’t convinced that Mizuhara would gamble the money away, so he logged onto his computer and sent the money to Bowyer himself.

This is where things get interesting. After hearing that Mizuhara told ESPN that Ohtani had sent the wire transfer himself, Ohtani’s representatives walked back their previous statement that Ohtani had covered his friend’s losses. Instead, they now claim that Ohtani was the victim of “massive theft” at the hands of his interpreter.

[Phantom]

Update

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/398 ... tole-money


https://www.youtube.com/live/nYDOFdKZiI4?feature=shared

[uscbucsfan1]

Best player? My ass

Per usual, you have nothing of merit to back up your random, drive-by post.

You called him average. He's been the definition of excellent. He has 2 MVPs, something only 18 other players have done in the history of the game and he's not even 30.

The whole betting thing doesn't absolve you of a ridiculous take that you didn't even try to back it with any stats, logic, or anything.

If you said no player is worth that much, that's a valid opinion, but in no universe has he been average to this point in his career.

It's crazy that you quoted me after all this time...still with nothing of substance.

[Phantom]

Best player? My ass

Per usual, you have nothing of merit to back up your random, drive-by post.

You called him average. He's been the definition of excellent. He has 2 MVPs, something only 18 other players have done in the history of the game and he's not even 30.

The whole betting thing doesn't absolve you of a ridiculous take that you didn't even try to back it with any stats, logic, or anything.

If you said no player is worth that much, that's a valid opinion, but in no universe has he been average to this point in his career.

It's crazy that you quoted me after all this time...still with nothing of substance.

Again,Is he really the best player? I don't think so, regardless of what you think. Everyone enlisted their opinion, including mine.. I'm done with your bullshit. Nothing has changed. Per usual


Edit: This is not a discussion about Ohtani betting. I watched him play in Atlanta and St. Petersburg. Hsve you? I am not impressed with his skills. As a pitcher? MEH


cool, He's a freak athlete!

[uscbucsfan1]

Per usual, you have nothing of merit to back up your random, drive-by post.

You called him average. He's been the definition of excellent. He has 2 MVPs, something only 18 other players have done in the history of the game and he's not even 30.

The whole betting thing doesn't absolve you of a ridiculous take that you didn't even try to back it with any stats, logic, or anything.

If you said no player is worth that much, that's a valid opinion, but in no universe has he been average to this point in his career.

It's crazy that you quoted me after all this time...still with nothing of substance.

Again,Is he really the best player? I don't think so, regardless of what you think. Everyone enlisted their opinion, including mine.. I'm done with your bullshit. Nothing has changed. Per usual


Edit: This is not a discussion about Ohtani betting. I watched him play in Atlanta and St. Petersburg. Hsve you? I am not impressed with his skills. As a pitcher? MEH


cool, He's a freak athlete!

You watched him twice?

I can't wait until you figure out hitting the ball 3 out of 10 times is great.

He lead baseball in WAR, HRs, while being a top 5 pitcher. Yes, in the last 4 years he's the best by a massive gap.

He also lead his team to a WBC and won the MVP there.

I saw Barry Bonds play 8 games live...he didn't hit 1 homerun...dude had 0 power.<<<That's ridiculous.

It's fine to not like him or not want to pay any player that much, but calling him average is like saying Brady was mediocre then citing you watched him throw an INT.

[Snake]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Sure. But if said opinion cannot coexist with demonstrable, indisputable facts…I don’t even know what you would call that. Delusion?