Week 10 Discussion

[Bootz]

I think that position is very short-sighted. It's been 9 games. The stories on these guys are far from done being written. I wouldn’t call CJ Stroud a savior anymore than I'd say Bryce Young or Anthony Richardson were busts.

[Nobody]

Houston Texans with a 4 win difference from last year through 9 games due to finding their Rookie QB Savior TM (despite a gang of Offensive Line injuries)!

Its a QB-driven league!

Over simplified, but even in that state, you have to make the right pick. Carolina thought they made the right pick. Their savior has not helped. Colts thought they had it right. How is that working for them? How did Jameis work for the Buccaneers?

In the real world, it is more complex.

Well, yes, you have to make the right pick; at QB and at any other position (and at the coaching and front office levels). I'm not sure what the takehome here is? I mean...scouting departments are multi-million dollar budget affairs with an attached, salaried expert class that gets paid to do this. I mean, no one is throwing bones, consulting the oracle, or reading palms.

There is risk and error in everything. The point of a boatload of cash, infrastructure, and salaried experts are to reduce that risk and error. So put all of that cash and collective cognitive horsepower to work to make the correct picks, right? That is the point of the whole thing.

EDIT - @Bootz , its not short-sighted. The "Rookie QB Savior" is obviously tongue-in-cheek because of the conversation that surrounds it. But the reality is that this team has 5 wins right now. And its overwhelmingly because of the Rookie QB. And its despite an OL clustereff that he has also overcome as an extra slice of adversity.

Whether or not this is durable is TBD (because that is how time works!). But right now, it is what it is as the saying goes.

[Bootz]

Over simplified, but even in that state, you have to make the right pick. Carolina thought they made the right pick. Their savior has not helped. Colts thought they had it right. How is that working for them? How did Jameis work for the Buccaneers?

In the real world, it is more complex.

Well, yes, you have to make the right pick; at QB and at any other position (and at the coaching and front office levels). I'm not sure what the takehome here is? I mean...scouting departments are multi-million dollar budget affairs with an attached, salaried expert class that gets paid to do this. I mean, no one is throwing bones, consulting the oracle, or reading palms.

There is risk and error in everything. The point of a boatload of cash, infrastructure, and salaried experts are to reduce that risk and error. So put all of that cash and collective cognitive horsepower to work to make the correct picks, right? That is the point of the whole thing.

EDIT - @Bootz , its not short-sighted. The "Rookie QB Savior" is obviously tongue-in-cheek because of the conversation that surrounds it. But the reality is that this team has 5 wins right now. And its overwhelmingly because of the Rookie QB. And its despite an OL clustereff that he has also overcome as an extra slice of adversity.

Whether or not this is durable is TBD (because that is how time works!). But right now, it is what it is as the saying goes.

I wasnt speaking about your post. I felt what @13F11B saying regarding Carolina & Indy thinking they made the right choice but maybe not was short-sighted. It's too early for that determination.

As far as Houston goes, yes Stroud has been the difference.

[Bootz]

Josh Jacobs is a good runner. But he has always fumbled way too much.

[Noles1724]

Zac Wilson really making some fantastic throws

[Noles1724]

Oof.lol

[Bootz]

Zac Wilson really making some fantastic throws

He was. And then he remembers who he is.

[Grahamburn]

Houston Texans with a 4 win difference from last year through 9 games due to finding their Rookie QB Savior TM (despite a gang of Offensive Line injuries)!

Its a QB-driven league!

Over simplified, but even in that state, you have to make the right pick. Carolina thought they made the right pick. Their savior has not helped. Colts thought they had it right. How is that working for them? How did Jameis work for the Buccaneers?

In the real world, it is more complex.

Ask the Panthers how they feel about their savior.

[Snake]

Seems like suddenly everybody remembers that Kyler Murray’s good.

[Grahamburn]

Seems like suddenly everybody remembers that Kyler Murray’s good.

If he could figure out how to play on schedule more often he could be great.

[Bootz]

Seems like suddenly everybody remembers that Kyler Murray’s good.

If he could figure out how to play on schedule more often he could be great.

That off-script nature was a staple of Kingsbury's system.

[Noles1724]

he's a off-schedule player naturally due to size.. he's a 'make it happen when shit breaks down' type of player. If the hope is for Kyler to be a system guy, then he's not your guy.

first read, maybe second, pressure.. go make something happen.. that's the play design for a QB with his skill set.

[Grahamburn]

he's a off-schedule player naturally due to size.. he's a 'make it happen when shit breaks down' type of player. If the hope is for Kyler to be a system guy, then he's not your guy.

first read, maybe second, pressure.. go make something happen.. that's the play design for a QB with his skill set.

When I watch him I just feel like he seeks it out.

[Bootz]

he's a off-schedule player naturally due to size.. he's a 'make it happen when shit breaks down' type of player. If the hope is for Kyler to be a system guy, then he's not your guy.

first read, maybe second, pressure.. go make something happen.. that's the play design for a QB with his skill set.

He was exactly what Kliff Kingsbury wanted for his system. It's how he's been coached from 2019-2022. All it did was earn him 2 Pro Bowl bids and a huge contract. Yesterday he played well and earned his team their 2nd win of the year and 1st win in a month. His "skills set" fits most systems honestly.

[Doctor]

You'd think we'd have learned from RG3 and others not to crown rookie QBs so early but sure... lets just assume Stroud is a savior... that now brings the success rate of this tactic to like what, 4 out of 60?.... woo wee.

Play to win the game.
The draft will fall how it falls.

[13F11B]

he's a off-schedule player naturally due to size.. he's a 'make it happen when shit breaks down' type of player. If the hope is for Kyler to be a system guy, then he's not your guy.

first read, maybe second, pressure.. go make something happen.. that's the play design for a QB with his skill set.

He was exactly what Kliff Kingsbury wanted for his system. It's how he's been coached from 2019-2022. All it did was earn him 2 Pro Bowl bids and a huge contract. Yesterday he played well and earned his team their 2nd win of the year and 1st win in a month. His "skills set" fits most systems honestly.

You really like certain types of QBs.

[Bootz]

He was exactly what Kliff Kingsbury wanted for his system. It's how he's been coached from 2019-2022. All it did was earn him 2 Pro Bowl bids and a huge contract. Yesterday he played well and earned his team their 2nd win of the year and 1st win in a month. His "skills set" fits most systems honestly.

You really like certain types of QBs.

Yea, talented QBs. I don't swoon over the Sam Howell's or Josh Dobbs' or Kyle Trask's the way you do.

[Snake]

Stroud looks like 89% Mahomes.

[Doctor]

Stroud looks like 89% Mahomes.

Siri... what is Poe's Law

[Bootz]

Honestly he looks like A-Rod to me. His ball placement is underrated and he's not flustered by pressure.

[mdb1958]

You really like certain types of QBs.

Yea, talented QBs. I don't swoon over the Sam Howell's or Josh Dobbs' or Kyle Trask's the way you do.

Howell's 47 sacks? Would he look better if it was 20? Looks like they are trying to get him killed.

[Snake]

Stroud looks like 89% Mahomes.

Siri... what is Poe's Law

Totally normal throw here for a rookie…lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/0WZxWp4ZnN

[Snake]

I said it in my draft profile about him. He’s the most advanced thrower of his class, and it’s not even close. And he’s processing the game extremely well. The only concern about him coming out was the fact that he did poorly against pressure in college. It’s like the opposite now. He has a path to being a top three quarterback in the NFL.

[mdb1958]

I said it in my draft profile about him. He’s the most advanced thrower of his class, and it’s not even close. And he’s processing the game extremely well. The only concern about him coming out was the fact that he did poorly against pressure in college. It’s like the opposite now. He has a path to being a top three quarterback in the NFL.

la la la - put him behind Washington's line.

LT - 7th rounder
LG - 7th rounder
C - free agent
RG - 2nd rounder
RT - free agent

[Bootz]

Siri... what is Poe's Law

Totally normal throw here for a rookie…lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/0WZxWp4ZnN

Yea, that's A-Rod all day.

[Bootz]

I said it in my draft profile about him. He’s the most advanced thrower of his class, and it’s not even close. And he’s processing the game extremely well. The only concern about him coming out was the fact that he did poorly against pressure in college. It’s like the opposite now. He has a path to being a top three quarterback in the NFL.

la la la - put him behind Washington's line.

LT - 7th rounder
LG - 7th rounder
C - free agent
RG - 2nd rounder
RT - free agent

That's Washington's fault. Howell might be better behind an improved line. But it's on Washington to put pieces around him.

[mdb1958]

la la la - put him behind Washington's line.

LT - 7th rounder
LG - 7th rounder
C - free agent
RG - 2nd rounder
RT - free agent

That's Washington's fault. Howell might be better behind an improved line. But it's on Washington to put pieces around him.

Where did their Hog's go - they used to run the ball with the best of them.

[mdb1958]

Anyways - young fresh arm/19 sacks - enjoy it while it lasts.

[mdb1958]

Colts lead the league with 61 TFL's (10 games)

We got 48.

[13F11B]

You really like certain types of QBs.

Yea, talented QBs. I don't swoon over the Sam Howell's or Josh Dobbs' or Kyle Trask's the way you do.

Oh, I think it is a bit different than that. You don't seem to like several talented QBs that lack a certain something. However, you seem to like some marginal QBs with that something.

For the record. I don't swoon over Howell, Dobbs, or Trask. I have put Trask forward in the category of "we have no idea what he is capable of since he has not had a chance yet".

[Grahamburn]

Didn’t Stroud lose to Carolina before playing us? Cherry pick a couple games why don’tcha.

[Bootz]

Yea, talented QBs. I don't swoon over the Sam Howell's or Josh Dobbs' or Kyle Trask's the way you do.

Oh, I think it is a bit different than that. You don't seem to like several talented QBs that lack a certain something. However, you seem to like some marginal QBs with that something.

For the record. I don't swoon over Howell, Dobbs, or Trask. I have put Trask forward in the category of "we have no idea what he is capable of since he has not had a chance yet".

I don't know what that means exactly. Baker Mayfield is having a a very good year for us but you wanted him benched just to see what Trask could do. Sorry but mediocrity/unknowns don't interest me in the way they do you.

[Bootz]

Didn’t Stroud lose to Carolina before playing us? Cherry pick a couple games why don’tcha.

And the Falcons too on a last second FG

[13F11B]

Oh, I think it is a bit different than that. You don't seem to like several talented QBs that lack a certain something. However, you seem to like some marginal QBs with that something.

For the record. I don't swoon over Howell, Dobbs, or Trask. I have put Trask forward in the category of "we have no idea what he is capable of since he has not had a chance yet".

I don't know what that means exactly. Baker Mayfield is having a a very good year for us but you wanted him benched just to see what Trask could do. Sorry but mediocrity/unknowns don't interest me in the way they do you.

I wanted Trask to win the training camp battle.... and if the Buccaneers are eliminated from playoff contention, I would want to start Trask to get a better look at him. Kinda different than what you are claiming. Baker has played well this year. The defense is more the reason for losses than Baker.

[Bootz]

I don't know what that means exactly. Baker Mayfield is having a a very good year for us but you wanted him benched just to see what Trask could do. Sorry but mediocrity/unknowns don't interest me in the way they do you.

I wanted Trask to win the training camp battle.... and if the Buccaneers are eliminated from playoff contention, I would want to start Trask to get a better look at him. Kinda different than what you are claiming. Baker has played well this year. The defense is more the reason for losses than Baker.

And yet you want Baker benched if we fall out of playoffs contention, even if he isn't the main reason why.....