Time to fire Todd Bowles

[Dcbucsfan]

I don’t trust Bowles or Licht to draft a QB, let alone, a good one or the right one. I was in Licht’s corner and now, sadly, we really need a reset in the organization to turn this around. We have some really good young pieces. Now we need the right coaching staff and gm to get us there.

[Xandtar]

Knee jerk much? It was a hard fought division match. Bills just lost the the 1-5 Pats. Take a deep breath.

After over a month my knee might have jerked in the correct direction, heh? Two more losses WEEKS and Bowles will have led this team to another losing season.

Fixed it for you.

[GreatTimes]

Can the Bucs defeat the Panthers next week with Mayfield as the QB?

[Snake]

Can the Bucs defeat the Panthers next week with Mayfield as the QB?

Bucs should win that game.

[13F11B]

Looks like we might get a mid-season firing despite the Glazer's history.



Could be an interesting day tomorrow.

[Dcbucsfan]

If he does get fired, who replaces him? Canales is still trying to be an OC. Who is interim?

[13F11B]

If he does get fired, who replaces him? Canales is still trying to be an OC. Who is interim?

Arians? Harold Goodwin? Tom Moore?

[Four Verticals]

Looks like we might get a mid-season firing despite the Glazer's history.



Could be an interesting day tomorrow.

The tweet went nowhere. There's nothing on that site which has anything on this other than "at the end of the season".

Click bait to the max.

[Phantom]

I'll say this Again, Baker Mayfield is not the problem. Todd Bowles is.

[MJW]

I'll say this Again, Baker Mayfield is not the problem. Todd Bowles is.

He's not the solution, either. He's a fringe starter with very little upside who has consistently made big mistakes throughout his career. He belongs on the 2024 Bucs like Josh McCown belonged on the 2015 Bucs.

[Jonny]

I'll say this Again, Baker Mayfield is not the problem. Todd Bowles is.

He's not the solution, either. He's a fringe starter with very little upside who has consistently made big mistakes throughout his career. He belongs on the 2024 Bucs like Josh McCown belonged on the 2015 Bucs.

I don't disagree with your premise, but Mayfield maybe a little closer to Jeff Garcia and Ryan Fitzpatrick than he is to Josh McCown.

[GreatTimes]

In the game against the Colts the Bucs were 1-3 in the redzone, while the Colts were 3-5. So not only were the Bucs unable to score in the red zone, they didn't even get into the red zone very often. And one time they got into the red zone it was because of an interception that gave the Bucs a short field. Mayfield will always do just enough in a game for people to say that Mayfield was not the problem. Sorry, but Mayfield is a big part of the problem that has led the Bucs to a losing record while playing one of the softest schedules in the NFL.

[mdb1958]

I have called for us to think about replacing position coaches but I don't think I've meddled with the head coach. So! When Bryan Glazer looks at Bruce Arians and says find me a head coach - who would it be?

[acmillis]

I have called for us to think about replacing position coaches but I don't think I've meddled with the head coach. So! When Bryan Glazer looks at Bruce Arians and says find me a head coach - who would it be?

I want a leader. I do not care if they've never been a coordinator, what tree they come from, whatever. Give me someone who is a leader and will hold people accountable. I don't care if they're a "player's coach" or a mans' man, or a tap dancing globe trotter...give me a leader of men.

[mdb1958]

I have called for us to think about replacing position coaches but I don't think I've meddled with the head coach. So! When Bryan Glazer looks at Bruce Arians and says find me a head coach - who would it be?

I want a leader. I do not care if they've never been a coordinator, what tree they come from, whatever. Give me someone who is a leader and will hold people accountable. I don't care if they're a "player's coach" or a mans' man, or a tap dancing globe trotter...give me a leader of men.

Are you grasping in the dark, I've been getting a read on the group and darkness is at the center of it. Is money the factor that convinces someone to want to come here? power? I'm fine with a bright chance so come up with who that is.

[Grahamburn]

I want a leader. I do not care if they've never been a coordinator, what tree they come from, whatever. Give me someone who is a leader and will hold people accountable. I don't care if they're a "player's coach" or a mans' man, or a tap dancing globe trotter...give me a leader of men.

Are you grasping in the dark, I've been getting a read on the group and darkness is at the center of it. Is money the factor that convinces someone to want to come here? power? I'm fine with a bright chance so come up with who that is.

2024 Future Head Coaching Candidates

[acmillis]

IDK...Aaron Glenn of Mike McDonald.

...or we could give this fanbase what it has seemingly begged for for two decades and go Rich Bisaccia.

[mdb1958]

thx

[Grahamburn]

IDK...Aaron Glenn of Mike McDonald.

...or we could give this fanbase what it has seemingly begged for for two decades and go Rich Bisaccia.

Brian Johnson OC Eagles:

“I like everything about him as a coach and as a player,” Kyle Whittingham, the revered head coach at Utah, tells me. “Competitive. Intelligent. Charismatic. Alpha dog mentality. He’s a leader of leaders. As soon as I had the opportunity to hire him as an assistant coach, I did so.”
Whittingham got Johnson as a player and says that by the first football game of his freshman year, he was qualified to be the starter. “Very rare,” Whittingham says, noting that one of Johnson’s strengths was transferring that quiet confidence to his players.

Johnson is in his first year as the Eagles’ offensive coordinator, replacing current Colts head coach Shane Steichen. Johnson, 36, came up through the college ranks with Utah and spent a handful of years with Dan Mullen at Mississippi State and Florida. Mullen was, for a time, on some NFL radars.

[kaimaru]

In the game against the Colts the Bucs were 1-3 in the redzone, while the Colts were 3-5. So not only were the Bucs unable to score in the red zone, they didn't even get into the red zone very often. And one time they got into the red zone it was because of an interception that gave the Bucs a short field. Mayfield will always do just enough in a game for people to say that Mayfield was not the problem. Sorry, but Mayfield is a big part of the problem that has led the Bucs to a losing record while playing one of the softest schedules in the NFL.

12th softest schedule per Tankathon and we haven't even played the Panthers twice yet, so no we probably played 16th to 18th at this point of the season

[Jonny]

One thing forgotten from the chaotic loss was Bowles refusing to throw the challenge flag when Evans was begging Bowles to throw it after the refs ruled an Evans catch as an incompletion. Bucs were down 10 mid 4th qtr at that point. It was just a play after that Bowles had the offense attempt a 4th down conversion and luckily we did.

That refusal to trust in his best player who also is a team captain is confusing as hell.

[Bootz]

One thing forgotten from the chaotic loss was Bowles refusing to throw the challenge flag when Evans was begging Bowles to throw it after the refs ruled an Evans catch as an incompletion. Bucs were down 10 mid 4th qtr at that point. It was just a play after that Bowles had the offense attempt a 4th down conversion and luckily we did.

That refusal to trust in his best player who also is a team captain is confusing as hell.

Didn't we score a TD on that drive?

Look Bowles has his issues but this is cherry picking. If it wasn't clear and obvious then you don't throw the flag. Especially at that point in the game.

[Jonny]

One thing forgotten from the chaotic loss was Bowles refusing to throw the challenge flag when Evans was begging Bowles to throw it after the refs ruled an Evans catch as an incompletion. Bucs were down 10 mid 4th qtr at that point. It was just a play after that Bowles had the offense attempt a 4th down conversion and luckily we did.

That refusal to trust in his best player who also is a team captain is confusing as hell.

Didn't we score a TD on that drive?

Look Bowles has his issues but this is cherry picking. If it wasn't clear and obvious then you don't throw the flag. Especially at that point in the game.

Yes, we converted on the 4th down right after that so called "incompletion" and scored a TD on that drive. Let's say we did not convert on 4th down and came up empty on that possession, would you still think it is understandable for Bowles to not have challenged on that play?

I get the skepticism if Evans is arguing with the refs. It is not uncommon for players to argue to the refs in bad faith to get a favorable call. But Evans from the get go was looking at Bowles and emphatically pleading Bowles to challenge. There was not a single replay that showed the ball hitting the ground. I'm glad we got lucky on that drive, but it is not good game management.

Success on following plays should not excuse mismanagement on that specific play.

[Bootz]

Didn't we score a TD on that drive?

Look Bowles has his issues but this is cherry picking. If it wasn't clear and obvious then you don't throw the flag. Especially at that point in the game.

Yes, we converted on the 4th down right after that so called "incompletion" and scored a TD on that drive. Let's say we did not convert on 4th down and came up empty on that possession, would you still think it is understandable for Bowles to not have challenged on that play?

I get the skepticism if Evans is arguing with the refs. It is not uncommon for players to argue to the refs in bad faith to get a favorable call. But Evans from the get go was looking at Bowles and emphatically pleading Bowles to challenge. There was not a single replay that showed the ball hitting the ground. I'm glad we got lucky on that drive, but it is not good game management.

Success on following plays should not excuse mismanagement on that specific play.

I don't recall the catch/incompletion so I'd have to take your word for it. If you think there was a good chance it could've been overturned then I get it. But if it was close, then I can't fault him not throwing the challenge there.

Evans getting emotional shouldn't wager in the decision to challenge or not.

[kaimaru]

Didn't we score a TD on that drive?

Look Bowles has his issues but this is cherry picking. If it wasn't clear and obvious then you don't throw the flag. Especially at that point in the game.

Yes, we converted on the 4th down right after that so called "incompletion" and scored a TD on that drive. Let's say we did not convert on 4th down and came up empty on that possession, would you still think it is understandable for Bowles to not have challenged on that play?

I get the skepticism if Evans is arguing with the refs. It is not uncommon for players to argue to the refs in bad faith to get a favorable call. But Evans from the get go was looking at Bowles and emphatically pleading Bowles to challenge. There was not a single replay that showed the ball hitting the ground. I'm glad we got lucky on that drive, but it is not good game management.

Success on following plays should not excuse mismanagement on that specific play.

It didn't show it hit the ground, but there was no clear angle that it didn't hit the ground. To overturn you need irrefutable proof. That was not provided. They took their time snapping the ball. I am sure to see if there was a clear angle. There wasn't

[Grahamburn]

I was pissed he didn't challenge it at the time, and would have been more so had they not converted. However, I doubt it would have been overturned. There wasn't a replay I saw that showed he had complete control without it on the ground.

[13F11B]

More sources are starting to say the things many of us have already seen:

PR:

There is just something off about this year’s Bucs team. It reminds me so much of Raheem Morris’ final season in Tampa Bay in 2011. The Bucs came off a promising 10-6 season in 2010 and started the next year 4-2 before losing 10 straight games in a total free-fall that led to Morris’ departure. The players loved Morris and played hard for him, but he didn’t hold them accountable enough to fix the team’s constant mistakes.

We’re seeing the same thing happen with year’s Todd Bowles team. They play hard. They like him. They don’t quit. But they aren’t held accountable enough to fix their mistakes and the losses continue to mount.

Despite the playoffs being well within reach, this team has to win at least five of the next six games to get to 9-8 and in position for the postseason, and where is the evidence that the Bucs can pull that off?

Yeah, playoffs are a pipe dream except the other division teams suck too. This is not a sign of a good football team. This is not a sign of a good head coach.

[Snake]

I don’t know if it’s accountability or if the team just isn’t good.

[Jonny]

I don’t know if it’s accountability or if the team just isn’t good.

I think the team is at least good enough to have a comfortable lead within the conference. Especially on defense I feel like we underachieve by design and not as much because of lack of talent.

[Babeinbucland]

...give me a leader of men.

paging Doug Williams

[Babeinbucland]

Didn't we score a TD on that drive?

Look Bowles has his issues but this is cherry picking. If it wasn't clear and obvious then you don't throw the flag. Especially at that point in the game.

Yes, we converted on the 4th down right after that so called "incompletion" and scored a TD on that drive. Let's say we did not convert on 4th down and came up empty on that possession, would you still think it is understandable for Bowles to not have challenged on that play?

I get the skepticism if Evans is arguing with the refs. It is not uncommon for players to argue to the refs in bad faith to get a favorable call. But Evans from the get go was looking at Bowles and emphatically pleading Bowles to challenge. There was not a single replay that showed the ball hitting the ground. I'm glad we got lucky on that drive, but it is not good game management.

Success on following plays should not excuse mismanagement on that specific play.

And it is no way to build trust with arguably your best player and a poor model to the team of your leadership and having their back.

[Onthebrink]

Yes, we converted on the 4th down right after that so called "incompletion" and scored a TD on that drive. Let's say we did not convert on 4th down and came up empty on that possession, would you still think it is understandable for Bowles to not have challenged on that play?

I get the skepticism if Evans is arguing with the refs. It is not uncommon for players to argue to the refs in bad faith to get a favorable call. But Evans from the get go was looking at Bowles and emphatically pleading Bowles to challenge. There was not a single replay that showed the ball hitting the ground. I'm glad we got lucky on that drive, but it is not good game management.

Success on following plays should not excuse mismanagement on that specific play.

And it is no way to build trust with arguably your best player and a poor model to the team of your leadership and having their back.

Mike is a great WR but soft as a baby's ass. He comes out after almost any catch or hit. In his earlier seasons he was crying for a flag on every other play while pushing off. Coaches have a team to look at replays. If all coaches just let players dictate whether or not they challenge plays then fans would be saying the opposite. What a soft coach letting players run all over them. Doing whatever the players want. I am not excusing Bowles but I think that there is a logical misstep happening.

[Grahamburn]

I wouldn’t go as far as to call the man soft. He gets winded after deep routes and does tap the helmet after big hits. But, soft? No, don’t think I’d say that to his face.

[Doctor]

Mike was definitely soft early in his career. He'd let his big ass get bullied hoping to get a flag. Eventually he learned he wasn't going to get many and started to go for the catch rather than the flag. Though there are moments when that behavior drips back into his game.

As for the challenge, we got booth people watching replays and advising no? I agree I think it was a catch but also not overturnable based on the videos shown.

[Bootz]

Yea soft is a bit too strong. He's very tough. But he is fragile though.