2023 -2024 tankathon

[Snake]

I’m the guy who said Jayden Daniels could win a Heisman during training camp when he was a true freshman at Arizona State. Before Brian Kelly knew who he was.

Caleb Williams looks better to me as an NFL prospect.

I’ve been wrong before though.

[Phantom]

Dude, I gave you credit. I was wrong about Daniels.

[These Are The Days]

I haven't seen a prospect lacking substance as much as Caleb Williams in a very long time. Congrats you scored like 6 TD's a game against unranked dog shit and you think you're some kind of prodigy who can make a list of where he should go. Christ and I thought Cam Newton was conceited. I mean go ahead and take him #1. He hasn't proven anything to me but that he can run up a scoreboard and that he is an exceptional, world caliber athlete. Nothing more. He folded like a lawn chair against any actual competition he faced.

[Sdbucs]

We currently sit at 20 because we decided to sign baker mayfield

[Doctor]

Y'all remember all those "We are going from Brady to Baker" posts?

We're putting up more points so far this year...

[Snake]

It's amazing what getting rid of Byron Sandwich will do to a team.

[Grahamburn]

It's amazing what getting rid of Byron Sandwich will do to a team.

And not having the QB curl into the fetal position every time a defender is within 3 yards of him.

[Phantom]

We'll see how he does with the Steelers if he's hired.

[Snake]

It's amazing what getting rid of Byron Sandwich will do to a team.

And not having the QB curl into the fetal position every time a defender is within 3 yards of him.

If you can’t protect Tom Brady, he’s not going to excel.

[Bootz]

And not having the QB curl into the fetal position every time a defender is within 3 yards of him.

If you can’t protect Tom Brady, he’s not going to excel.

Isn't that true of every QB except Patrick Mahomes?

[Phantom]

We currently sit at 20 because we decided to sign baker mayfield

The decision to sign Baker Mayfield is a good one so far.

[Phantom]

Even though there are Bakers haters here who oppose Baker Mayfield.

[mdb1958]

Dude, I gave you credit. I was wrong about Daniels.

Ohh yeah what did his height finally settle out to be?

[Doctor]

The most important part of the story is still left to be played out.

You have the final quarter of the season. The runway for the learning curve, at least for this season, has run out. Now it's time to show who you are going to be going into the final stretch. Are we running the ball well? Are we communicating? Are we getting those takeaways? Are we connecting with Godwin?

These next four (five?) games are the real Baker Franchise Tag test.

[Snake]

There’s nothing Baker Mayfield can do the next four weeks to earn the franchise tag, short of the invention of superhuman serum. We have five years of data. Don’t fall for the banana in the tailpipe.

The franchise tag would put him at something like $35m a season.

[Doctor]

You don't think a playoff win earns him a second year?

[mdb1958]

I’m the guy who said Jayden Daniels could win a Heisman during training camp when he was a true freshman at Arizona State. Before Brian Kelly knew who he was.

Caleb Williams looks better to me as an NFL prospect.

I’ve been wrong before though.

Who would be your top three first picks for us using tank a thon I guess?

[Phantom]

Snake is a well known hater of Mayfield. There's nothing further to discuss with him.

[Phantom]

Hence his own thread "tank for"

[These Are The Days]

Baker needs to be better in the facets he can control. Like I'm not done with him but if the dude overthrows another open player by 5 yards again I'm gonna be that much closer. There's no excuse for this for anyone at this point in their career and this deep into a season

It's the NFL. Be better. I understand stuff like that happening a handful of times a year. This is happening a handful of times PER GAME.

[kaimaru]

I’m the guy who said Jayden Daniels could win a Heisman during training camp when he was a true freshman at Arizona State. Before Brian Kelly knew who he was.

Caleb Williams looks better to me as an NFL prospect.

I’ve been wrong before though.

Caleb Williams will be a failure in the NFL

[Snake]

I’m the guy who said Jayden Daniels could win a Heisman during training camp when he was a true freshman at Arizona State. Before Brian Kelly knew who he was.

Caleb Williams looks better to me as an NFL prospect.

I’ve been wrong before though.

Caleb Williams will be a failure in the NFL

Why?

[Grahamburn]

There’s nothing Baker Mayfield can do the next four weeks to earn the franchise tag, short of the invention of superhuman serum. We have five years of data. Don’t fall for the banana in the tailpipe.

The franchise tag would put him at something like $35m a season.

Truth. They go 4-0 the next four weeks he’s probably getting a full blown extension.

[Snake]

There’s nothing Baker Mayfield can do the next four weeks to earn the franchise tag, short of the invention of superhuman serum. We have five years of data. Don’t fall for the banana in the tailpipe.

The franchise tag would put him at something like $35m a season.

Truth. They go 4-0 the next four weeks he’s probably getting a full blown extension.

That would be dumb.

Baker proved he can flirt with being very good, IF…

1. Elite running game
2. Elite offensive line

Why would we pay this person so much money? All else being *equal*, he’s average at best.

[Bootz]

You don't think a playoff win earns him a second year?

Daniel Jones got a contract extension. Geno Smith did too and he didn't even win a game in the playoffs. Baker would 100% be re-signed if we make the playoffs. Long term and expensive if we win a game

[Snake]

You don't think a playoff win earns him a second year?

A second contract is really different than top 5 money in the NFL, which is the point of contention. Franchise tagging him.

[Cheb]

Baker is tied for 14th in the NFL for passing yards with Lamar Jackson. Tied for 9th with Justin Herbert, 17th in passer rating, and he does a decent job of protecting the football with only 8 interceptions thus far.

He's not the best player in the world, but he ain't the worst. If he has a strong last quarter of the season and leads this team to the playoffs, I absolutely could see him getting an extension. Not sure I'd agree with that, but such is life.

[Xandtar]

There’s nothing Baker Mayfield can do the next four weeks to earn the franchise tag, short of the invention of superhuman serum. We have five years of data. Don’t fall for the banana in the tailpipe.

The franchise tag would put him at something like $35m a season.

That's true. However, if he led the game-winning drive for each of the next eight weeks, then yes he'd get the franchise tag. And not one person here would begrudge him then.

[Phantom]

I wonder how Tom Brady will do on this new offense this year. I doubt he'll be better than Mayfield.

[Grahamburn]

Truth. They go 4-0 the next four weeks he’s probably getting a full blown extension.

That would be dumb.

Baker proved he can flirt with being very good, IF…

1. Elite running game
2. Elite offensive line

Why would we pay this person so much money? All else being *equal*, he’s average at best.

You’re not wrong. I’d feel differently if he were making $40M instead of $4M.

He is 39th amongst QBs in AAV this year.

Drafting a QB and having them on their rookie deal while getting at least similar results with the potential for higher upside would be ideal.

I wonder if GMs/owners will be more hesitant in the future to give average QBs (big) contracts. Jones, Tannehill, JG, Carr, Goff, etc.

[Grahamburn]

But, in our hypothetical here… If he goes 4-0 in the next four games and wins or at least plays well in a playoff game? He’d have finished the season 6-0. I don’t see how you couldn’t extend him.

Being realistic though I don’t imagine anyone expects that scenario to play out.

[Bootz]

That would be dumb.

Baker proved he can flirt with being very good, IF…

1. Elite running game
2. Elite offensive line

Why would we pay this person so much money? All else being *equal*, he’s average at best.

You’re not wrong. I’d feel differently if he were making $40M instead of $4M.

He is 39th amongst QBs in AAV this year.

Drafting a QB and having them on their rookie deal while getting at least similar results with the potential for higher upside would be ideal.

I wonder if GMs/owners will be more hesitant in the future to give average QBs (big) contracts. Jones, Tannehill, JG, Carr, Goff, etc.

The answer to that is no. GMs/owners will always pay for a QB 1 way or another. As we should all know by now but pretend not to, QB skill doesn't guarantee winning. Daniel Jones, Jimmy G, Goff all have won playoff games. Jimmy G & Goff have been to the Superbowl.

Meanwhile guys like Kyler Murray and Justin Herbert have losing records as starters and have yet to won a playoff game. But they were "good enough" to at 1 point sign the largest contracts for QBs at the time.

It's tough navigating that QB landscape of "do I draft or do I pay" if you're a team.

[Buc2]

You don't think a playoff win earns him a second year?

Hence the reason @Snake brought up tagging him. That would give him his 2nd year without tying up money in future salary caps.

[Grahamburn]

You’re not wrong. I’d feel differently if he were making $40M instead of $4M.

He is 39th amongst QBs in AAV this year.

Drafting a QB and having them on their rookie deal while getting at least similar results with the potential for higher upside would be ideal.

I wonder if GMs/owners will be more hesitant in the future to give average QBs (big) contracts. Jones, Tannehill, JG, Carr, Goff, etc.

The answer to that is no. GMs/owners will always pay for a QB 1 way or another. As we should all know by now but pretend not to, QB skill doesn't guarantee winning. Daniel Jones, Jimmy G, Goff all have won playoff games. Jimmy G & Goff have been to the Superbowl.

Meanwhile guys like Kyler Murray and Justin Herbert have losing records as starters and have yet to won a playoff game. But they were "good enough" to at 1 point sign the largest contracts for QBs at the time.

It's tough navigating that QB landscape of "do I draft or do I pay" if you're a team.

That's what I'm getting at. I wonder if we're learning that they'll always pay up or it's more of a reflection of the options? For example, the last couple drafts haven't been great for QB prospects at least from a depth perspective. Did that lead, at least in part, to teams signing guys like JG and Carr to fairly large free agent deals without much track record of success? Jones to an extension? Baker is as good or better than those guys.

I wonder if we'll see something similar this off-season with a different level of QB depth expected in the next two drafts? Does Kirk Cousins get a mega-deal similar to Carr/JG? Probably, but he shouldn't. Baker? I guess we'll see how these last 4 games play out. Jameis and Tannehill have been starters. Are they likely to only get backup level contracts at best? Probably. Why Cousins will get $100M+ for the same results is beyond me.

I don't get the mentality of it though. You have enough of a track record to know you can't truly "win" with these guys. At least not consistently.

Seems like competent QB plays is so rare teams will pay out the nose for it just so they don't get their brains beat in every week.

[GreatTimes]

You don't think a playoff win earns him a second year?

Hence the reason @Snake brought up tagging him. That would give him his 2nd year without tying up money in future salary caps.

How many other NFL teams would jump at the chance at signing Mayfield to a FA contract? How much is he worth on the open market?