MJW is waiting to see if we lose 3 straight to come back and tell us she was right
I think she and I viewed things similarly. There’s a lot of winnable games on the schedule. This team has a bunch of talent. But it’s going to lack the high gear necessary to beat the best teams at the most important moments. They have not faced good competition so far.
She could very well be right.
This. Remember in 2010 we started 2-0 with wins over Cleveland and Carolina and then we played PIT, an actual football team, even with Charlie Batch at qb? We lost 38-13. That’s this team, and that’s what’s likely to happen this week.
PHI currently at -5.5 favorite, and idk why it’s that little.
We’ve beaten MIN, a team everyone thought would come back down to earth, and literally the worst team in the league…. Yay us!
Minnesota was a complete fluke on 2022. Everyone knew it. 13 wins. 11 of them by 1 score or less. 8 of those wins they had to come from behind in the 4th.
That's a team that had a ton of luck go in their favor. That type of luck is unsustainable.
Fast forward to 2023. Already 0-2 and 0-2 in 1 score games. Both games they were behind in the 4th quarter and couldn't come back. Fortune has not been in their favor.
Bootz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:54 am
Minnesota was a complete fluke on 2022. Everyone knew it. 13 wins. 11 of them by 1 score or less. 8 of those wins they had to come from behind in the 4th.
That's a team that had a ton of luck go in their favor. That type of luck is unsustainable.
Fast forward to 2023. Already 0-2 and 0-2 in 1 score games. Both games they were behind in the 4th quarter and couldn't come back. Fortune has not been in their favor.
It has not. Including with the schedule. Some could say they’re 0-2, because they opened against two tough opponents.
It’s funny that our 2-0 is discredited by our own fans because our opponents are 0-4. Fun fact: the Eagles are also 2-0 against opponents that are 0-4, including the same Vikings team that we beat.
All a team can do is play who is on their schedule. Monday Night could show a lot about this team.
Bootz wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:54 am
Minnesota was a complete fluke on 2022. Everyone knew it. 13 wins. 11 of them by 1 score or less. 8 of those wins they had to come from behind in the 4th.
That's a team that had a ton of luck go in their favor. That type of luck is unsustainable.
Fast forward to 2023. Already 0-2 and 0-2 in 1 score games. Both games they were behind in the 4th quarter and couldn't come back. Fortune has not been in their favor.
It has not. Including with the schedule. Some could say they’re 0-2, because they opened against two tough opponents.
It’s funny that our 2-0 is discredited by our own fans because our opponents are 0-4. Fun fact: the Eagles are also 2-0 against opponents that are 0-4, including the same Vikings team that we beat.
All a team can do is play who is on their schedule. Monday Night could show a lot about this team.
Do you believe we're as good a team as the Eagles this year?
Minnesota was 13-4 last year, were they as good/better than the 13 win Bills, 12 win Bengals, 12 win Cowboys, 13 win 49ers?
It has not. Including with the schedule. Some could say they’re 0-2, because they opened against two tough opponents.
It’s funny that our 2-0 is discredited by our own fans because our opponents are 0-4. Fun fact: the Eagles are also 2-0 against opponents that are 0-4, including the same Vikings team that we beat.
All a team can do is play who is on their schedule. Monday Night could show a lot about this team.
Do you believe we're as good a team as the Eagles this year?
Minnesota was 13-4 last year, were they as good/better than the 13 win Bills, 12 win Bengals, 12 win Cowboys, 13 win 49ers?
I think it’s too soon to tell, but after watching all four of the games: it’s absolutely closer than people expected.
Their game against the Vikings was pretty similar — Eagles had frustratingly stalled drives until later and the Vikings continued to shoot themselves in the foot.
Will it continue, who knows? I sure hope so. Mon will give a good glimpse.
It has not. Including with the schedule. Some could say they’re 0-2, because they opened against two tough opponents.
It’s funny that our 2-0 is discredited by our own fans because our opponents are 0-4. Fun fact: the Eagles are also 2-0 against opponents that are 0-4, including the same Vikings team that we beat.
All a team can do is play who is on their schedule. Monday Night could show a lot about this team.
Do you believe we're as good a team as the Eagles this year?
Minnesota was 13-4 last year, were they as good/better than the 13 win Bills, 12 win Bengals, 12 win Cowboys, 13 win 49ers?
Well, of the four teams you listed they did beat the Bills while losing to the Cowboys. So in at least one case, yes.
Philly was the #2 darling? I could have sworn you said they were 100% the #1 darling in the NFC
He was talking about Minnesota. I see now.
But I have no clue what you're talking about, and I assume neither do you.
You have not said that the top 2 teams in the NFC are SF and Philly and Philly has the better QB or was I sniffing glue? I know what I was talking about. Also I agree that the Viking winning was unsustainable
But I have no clue what you're talking about, and I assume neither do you.
You have not said that the top 2 teams in the NFC are SF and Philly and Philly has the better QB or was I sniffing glue? I know what I was talking about. Also I agree that the Viking winning was unsustainable
I said no such thing. Yea, like I said don't know what you're talking about.
You have not said that the top 2 teams in the NFC are SF and Philly and Philly has the better QB or was I sniffing glue? I know what I was talking about. Also I agree that the Viking winning was unsustainable
I said no such thing. Yea, like I said don't know what you're talking about.
Who are your top teams to make it to the super bowl in the NFC? You said Philly was tier 1, not tier 1 in the NFC, so IDK how you don't think they are a top team. Do you have say 5 teams on tier 1 in the NFC? Seriously, if those two teams arent in your top 3 in NFC, I would like to know who is
I said no such thing. Yea, like I said don't know what you're talking about.
Who are your top teams to make it to the super bowl in the NFC? You said Philly was tier 1, not tier 1 in the NFC, so IDK how you don't think they are a top team. Do you have say 5 teams on tier 1 in the NFC? Seriously, if those two teams arent in your top 3 in NFC, I would like to know who is
That comment was arbitrary to the discussion being had but people apparently don't understand nuanced discussions. I did say "IF Philly..." meaning that if people had them in tier 3 or 4, the Bucs would be tier 5 or 6 IMO.
My top NFC teams right now are the Cowboys, Niners, Packers honestly. Even in defeat I like what I've seen from them.
I see us in the 2nd tier of teams in the NFC. What I don't understand is after 2 games the media is still sucking off the Saints over us. They did not, especially Carr look that good last night. I think we are gonna sweep stomp their asses. Once Kancy comes back, goodnight Carr.
Who are your top teams to make it to the super bowl in the NFC? You said Philly was tier 1, not tier 1 in the NFC, so IDK how you don't think they are a top team. Do you have say 5 teams on tier 1 in the NFC? Seriously, if those two teams arent in your top 3 in NFC, I would like to know who is
That comment was arbitrary to the discussion being had but people apparently don't understand nuanced discussions. I did say "IF Philly..." meaning that if people had them in tier 3 or 4, the Bucs would be tier 5 or 6 IMO.
My top NFC teams right now are the Cowboys, Niners, Packers honestly. Even in defeat I like what I've seen from them.
The first two teams have a fantastic defense. I didn't see what you saw from the Packers so far and they don't have the same defense the other two have. But I am glad you set me straight
That comment was arbitrary to the discussion being had but people apparently don't understand nuanced discussions. I did say "IF Philly..." meaning that if people had them in tier 3 or 4, the Bucs would be tier 5 or 6 IMO.
My top NFC teams right now are the Cowboys, Niners, Packers honestly. Even in defeat I like what I've seen from them.
The first two teams have a fantastic defense. I didn't see what you saw from the Packers so far and they don't have the same defense the other two have. But I am glad you set me straight
It's not just their defense. Both are playing great offensively as well.
Jordan Love is playing extremely well early on. He's got to get better with his consistency and accuracy, but he's taking advantage of the Packers weapons in a way that Aaron Rodgers seem to take for granted.
Keep in mind things are fluid. It's week 3 of 18. Long way to go. There's a very good chance the "top teams" will be different come December.
Central_Buc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:45 pm
Packers blow out Bears, National Media "Packers are back, Strong team, Love looks good.
Bucs solid win vs Bears, National Media "bUt tHeY oNlY pLaYeD tHe BeARs.
If you look at how those games went, it's not hard to see why those narratives were drawn up.
Our game was close until the pick 6 by Shaq with 3 minutes left in the 4th. We didn't score a point on offense from the 3rd quarter on. Punt 3 straight drives including 2 3 & outs. We also trailed at 1 point in the game and never led by more than 10.
The Packers were on the Bears neck basically the entire game. They never trailed. Closest the game got was 7-6 after the Bears scored a FG. From that point the Packers outscored them 31-14 the rest of the game. This game was practically over about midway through the 3rd.
Central_Buc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:45 pm
Packers blow out Bears, National Media "Packers are back, Strong team, Love looks good.
Bucs solid win vs Bears, National Media "bUt tHeY oNlY pLaYeD tHe BeARs.
If you look at how those games went, it's not hard to see why those narratives were drawn up.
Our game was close until the pick 6 by Shaq with 3 minutes left in the 4th. We didn't score a point on offense from the 3rd quarter on. Punt 3 straight drives including 2 3 & outs. We also trailed at 1 point in the game and never led by more than 10.
The Packers were on the Bears neck basically the entire game. They never trailed. Closest the game got was 7-6 after the Bears scored a FG. From that point the Packers outscored them 31-14 the rest of the game. This game was practically over about midway through the 3rd.
I think if it wasn't us leaving points off the board, the way we were controlling the clock and yards gained, we were dominating the stat sheet.
But true, if people are going to recognize us, we'll have to be a little better at taking advantage of our opportunities. We also left points off the board in Minnesota.
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Doctor wrote: ↑Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:00 pm
Are the cowboys for real or a product of a cupcake opening schedule?
This kinda highlights why it's ridiculous to try and gage any team after 2 games. Week 1 every team was 0-0. Week 2, you were either 1-0 or 0-1. So if you're a team that beat a winless team Week 2, people are saying you had a "cupcake" schedule.
If you look at how those games went, it's not hard to see why those narratives were drawn up.
Our game was close until the pick 6 by Shaq with 3 minutes left in the 4th. We didn't score a point on offense from the 3rd quarter on. Punt 3 straight drives including 2 3 & outs. We also trailed at 1 point in the game and never led by more than 10.
The Packers were on the Bears neck basically the entire game. They never trailed. Closest the game got was 7-6 after the Bears scored a FG. From that point the Packers outscored them 31-14 the rest of the game. This game was practically over about midway through the 3rd.
I think if it wasn't us leaving points off the board, the way we were controlling the clock and yards gained, we were dominating the stat sheet.
But true, if people are going to recognize us, we'll have to be a little better.
And that's the difference between the 2 games. We kept their heads above water. Green Bay tossed them in the lake with a rock tied to their back.
I think if it wasn't us leaving points off the board, the way we were controlling the clock and yards gained, we were dominating the stat sheet.
But true, if people are going to recognize us, we'll have to be a little better.
And that's the difference between the 2 games. We kept their heads above water. Green Bay tossed them in the lake with a rock tied to their back.
But I thought your eye test told you below about how you thought Bucs played the Bears.
Bootz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 4:13 pm
Yea it felt like this should've been a 38-17 type game.
I understand what you are trying to say. But at this point no one knows who the truly great teams are. The Patriots and the Vikings could easily be 2-0 and look like Tier 1 because both of them beat the hype machine squad Eagles.
And that's the difference between the 2 games. We kept their heads above water. Green Bay tossed them in the lake with a rock tied to their back.
But I thought your eye test told you below about how you thought Bucs played the Bears.
Bootz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 4:13 pm
Yea it felt like this should've been a 38-17 type game.
I understand what you are trying to say. But at this point no one knows who the truly great teams are. The Patriots and the Vikings could easily be 2-0 and look like Tier 1 because both of them beat the hype machine squad Eagles.
You're reinforcing what I said the other day. We should've kicked their teeth in. But we kept them in it. Blocked kick. Dumb 3rd down penalties. Mistakes on offense and defense. It shouldn't have been that close but it was because we shot ourselves in the foot more often than we should have.
But I thought your eye test told you below about how you thought Bucs played the Bears.
I understand what you are trying to say. But at this point no one knows who the truly great teams are. The Patriots and the Vikings could easily be 2-0 and look like Tier 1 because both of them beat the hype machine squad Eagles.
You're reinforcing what I said the other day. We should've kicked their teeth in. But we kept them in it. Blocked kick. Dumb 3rd down penalties. Mistakes on offense and defense. It shouldn't have been that close but it was because we shot ourselves in the foot more often than we should have.
How often should one shoot themselves on the foot?
