**Official 2023 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Season Thread**

[Snake]

Kyler Murray is a top seven quarterback in the league when he’s healthy. He was paired with an awful roster, and the worst coaching staff in NFL for his first few years. Then he tore his ACL. He still a really great talent.

So Murray being meh being hurt is okay, but Baker playing hurt is everyone plays hurt? You Baker haters really twist reality for a narrative. Every team he was on was in a crappy situation. All you Baker haters say his only year he did well was his first year with Stefanski. All the Baker haters say how bad Bowles is. So Murray is a Super Bowl winning QB because he is great when not hurt and he has had crap coaching, but somehow Baker is the exact opposite? You can't make this twisted logic up

What? I’m referring to Murray missing games and being unavailable after tearing his ACL.

[kaimaru]

You’ve got all the answers, man. Guess I’ll keep my eye on JJ to see how he fares.

Yeah, we will see. I'd love to have access to All-22 college film. From all my research, it's treated like the nuclear codes. More or less impossible to get your hands on unless you're an NFL scout or working for a college program. It's the only way to have a truly educated opinion. So, that sucks.

This shows how much bullshit you're peddling. Any joe can get access: https://www.presnap.com/

[kaimaru]

The moment Jimmy Garoppolo had to go win a game for his team. he couldn't. Watch it, and weep.



0:19 - missed a wide open WR for touch down that would've put them up with 1:30 left.
0:39 - three seconds in a nice pocket. flailing incomplete to prevent a sack.
4:13 - Jimmy throws the game away and totally doesn't see a safety there.

Jimmy G sucks a dick. Any super bowl he wins would be him getting totally carried by an elite defense and the league's best collection of playmakers, or riding the bench for Tom Brady.

Because no elite QB has ever thrown a pick to end a playoff game, throw away a pass to prevent a sack, or missed open receivers on the same series...

[Snake]

You’re free to go find more evidence of him sucking.

[kaimaru]

Here's the thing...if they are going to seriously go into 2024 season thinking SB and they believe, like you, that Goff isn't the one to get them there, then there's only one real option available for them. They will need to trade for an established QB they feel is better than Goff. They're not going to draft a QB to get them into next year's show. Not realistically, anyway, based on historical data which will show that no rookie QB has even started a SB let alone won one.

So, realistically, who will be available to trade for that is better than Goff. I know that's not your problem to figure out. This is just for the sake of discussion. Wilson? Baker (LOL)? Who's left?

Now, if you want to change the parameters to them trying to make it to the SB in, say, 2 or 3 seasons from now, then they can try drafting a QB to accomplish that. But, again, drafting one this offseason won't help them for 2024.

If they add Jayden Daniels' athleticism, with their weapons, it could break the NFC.

He will not be available when they are on the clock based upon every mock draft ever

Fantasy Pros: Atlanta Falcons - No. 9 overall
The 33rd Team: New York Giants - No. 5 overall
With the First Pick: New England Patriots - No. 3 overall

[Snake]

If they add Jayden Daniels' athleticism, with their weapons, it could break the NFC.

He will not be available when they are on the clock based upon every mock draft ever

Fantasy Pros: Atlanta Falcons - No. 9 overall
The 33rd Team: New York Giants - No. 5 overall
With the First Pick: New England Patriots - No. 3 overall

Sounds like Lions won too many games huh?

[Grahamburn]

Here's the thing...if they are going to seriously go into 2024 season thinking SB and they believe, like you, that Goff isn't the one to get them there, then there's only one real option available for them. They will need to trade for an established QB they feel is better than Goff. They're not going to draft a QB to get them into next year's show. Not realistically, anyway, based on historical data which will show that no rookie QB has even started a SB let alone won one.

So, realistically, who will be available to trade for that is better than Goff. I know that's not your problem to figure out. This is just for the sake of discussion. Wilson? Baker (LOL)? Who's left?

Now, if you want to change the parameters to them trying to make it to the SB in, say, 2 or 3 seasons from now, then they can try drafting a QB to accomplish that. But, again, drafting one this offseason won't help them for 2024.

Trade for Stafford…now that would be some funny poo!

I love this post so much and the super funny thing about it is they’re practically the same player.

Sometimes you just need a reset. A change of scenery.

[Doctor]

If they add Jayden Daniels' athleticism, with their weapons, it could break the NFC.

That would be fun. Would love to see it.

It would also cost them all of their premium draft capital for the foreseeable future, and even then the team they want to trade with might not be interested. All for one roll of the dice.

Maybe. QB is such a weird position, depending on who you ask you'll be surprised who they have falling.

But even if you want to roll the dice that way I disagree that it needs to be head first Yolo style or go home. No reason Daniels can't sit.

[Doctor]

He will not be available when they are on the clock based upon every mock draft ever

Fantasy Pros: Atlanta Falcons - No. 9 overall
The 33rd Team: New York Giants - No. 5 overall
With the First Pick: New England Patriots - No. 3 overall

Sounds like Lions won too many games huh?

Funny, all those years of losing many many games didn’t seem to do what this Goff fella did for them. Think there's a hole in your dogma.

[kaimaru]

Sounds like Lions won too many games huh?

Funny, all those years of losing many many games didn’t seem to do what this Goff fella did for them. Think there's a hole in your dogma.

You forgot, he can't win a Super Bowl. Get there? Sure. Win? No. So trash heap it is

[Snake]

He was so good that McVay traded him at age 26 despite multiple years in the “system” and a SB appearance.

[mdb1958]

Rakim Jarrett off IR and ready to rumble.

[mdb1958]

I guess Mike Greene had a setback - dunno.

[mdb1958]

Wouls we get anything if we lost Spytek and Greenberg?

[Doctor]

If they add Jayden Daniels' athleticism, with their weapons, it could break the NFC.

He will not be available when they are on the clock based upon every mock draft ever

Fantasy Pros: Atlanta Falcons - No. 9 overall
The 33rd Team: New York Giants - No. 5 overall
With the First Pick: New England Patriots - No. 3 overall

Who is 2023 Will Levis

[Doctor]

He was so good that McVay traded him at age 26 despite multiple years in the “system” and a SB appearance.

And the only way to win a SB is with McVay? If it's not working with McVay it'll never with anyone elsewhere? Why is McVay the ultimate arbitor in this?

BB wanted to let Brady go too soon many times, and did. Lynch passed on Brady and Mahomes, drafted Lance, and found Purdy. Ozzie drafted Hurst over Lamar.

No one is an actual expert at this.
Goff should go sit on the couch because McVay liked Staffy more, give me a break.

[Grahamburn]

He will not be available when they are on the clock based upon every mock draft ever

Fantasy Pros: Atlanta Falcons - No. 9 overall
The 33rd Team: New York Giants - No. 5 overall
With the First Pick: New England Patriots - No. 3 overall

Who is 2023 Will Levis

Who is? Certainly not Jayden Daniels.

[Doctor]

Levis, Allen, Rodgers, etc... all had their mocks in the top whatever too.

[mdb1958]

And the futures contracts are a flying.

[Doctor]

The Panthers also announced interview requests with eight candidates for their general manager opening:

— Giants assistant GM Brandon Brown
— Buccaneers assistant GM Mike Greenberg
— Chiefs vice president of football operations Brandt Tilis
— Eagles assistant GM Alec Halaby
— Saints assistant GM Khai Harley
— Ravens vice president of football administration Nick Matteo
— Colts assistant GM Ed Dodds
— Raiders interim GM Champ Kelly

[Phantom]

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[Bootz]

I mean.....Is there a direction?

[Doctor]

I swear if we're on MNF vs the Eagles again next year...

[acmillis]

...

Sooooo which one of those is going to be in Germany. I'm guessing the Panthers game.

[Sdbucs]

Vea our only interior defender above the line.

[Sdbucs]

[GreatTimes]

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Sooooo which one of those is going to be in Germany. I'm guessing the Panthers game.

Has any other team played more overseas than the Bucs?
Have the Bucs ever played an overseas game when it was an away game?

[Bootz]

Sooooo which one of those is going to be in Germany. I'm guessing the Panthers game.

Has any other team played more overseas than the Bucs?

Jaguars- 11
Dolphins- 6
Raiders- 5
Bucs, Pats, Rams- 4

[Grahamburn]

Rough looking schedule.

[acmillis]

So Shaq is one of the best OLB's in the league, then...is that what I'm gathering?

[Grahamburn]

https://twitter.com/jasonrlicht/status ... -nfc-south

[Grahamburn]

How do you embed the tweets?

[Buc2]

Vea our only interior defender above the line.

Aaron Donald is on another planet.

[acmillis]

How do you embed the tweets?

Literally just copy/paste the entire URL and it shows up as a tweet.

[Grahamburn]