Mike Evans: Final Season in Tampa?

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Grahamburn wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 9:48 am
I'm told over the course of talks between both sides, the #Bucs received a contract structure that's acceptable to Mike Evans, and takes Tampa's considerations into account as well, per source.
https://twitter.com/josinaanderson/stat ... 27261?s=21
I wonder what the terms are that are taking into the Bucs consideration? I guess we find out in 4 days if he isn't signed by the end of the day.
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mdb1958 wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:31 am
Deja Entendu wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 10:47 am

Fun fact: Randy Moss had 43 games of less than 50 yards at the same point in his career, including 1 in the post season.
Here's another - he played for 4 different teams going after that money.
Here are two more: Larry Fitzgerald had 42 at the same point. He played for one team his whole career.
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Central_Buc wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:49 am
I wonder what the terms are that are taking into the Bucs consideration? I guess we find out in 4 days if he isn't signed by the end of the day.
Depends on where the source of the report is from, right? I imagine if it’s from his agent it’s not in the Bucs’ favor too heavily. Let’s hope he really does want to be here to end his career and they get it figured out.
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Deja Entendu wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:58 am
mdb1958 wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:31 am

Here's another - he played for 4 different teams going after that money.
Here are two more: Larry Fitzgerald had 42 at the same point. He played for one team his whole career.

Larry was getting 11 mil guaranteed a year or less.

This is a media stirred up matter and I never said I want him to go.
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mdb1958 wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:31 am
Deja Entendu wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 10:47 am

Fun fact: Randy Moss had 43 games of less than 50 yards at the same point in his career, including 1 in the post season.
Here's another - he played for 4 different teams going after that money.
It’s not that Randy went after money, more that he was just an asshole and a locker room issue more often than not.
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mdb1958 wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 12:32 pm
Deja Entendu wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:58 am

Here are two more: Larry Fitzgerald had 42 at the same point. He played for one team his whole career.

Larry was getting 11 mil guaranteed a year or less.

This is a media stirred up matter and I never said I want him to go.
The cap was about half of what it is now, too, so it’s all relative.
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Central_Buc wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:49 am
I wonder what the terms are that are taking into the Bucs consideration? I guess we find out in 4 days if he isn't signed by the end of the day.
Consideration in NFL contract talk= money. Almost certainly guaranteed money.
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Bootz wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 3:50 pm
Central_Buc wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 11:49 am

I wonder what the terms are that are taking into the Bucs consideration? I guess we find out in 4 days if he isn't signed by the end of the day.
Consideration in NFL contract talk= money. Almost certainly guaranteed money.
I was thinking in terms of bonuses if he stays healthy x amount of games. Or any other clauses they want to add.
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Central_Buc wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:10 pm
Bootz wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 3:50 pm

Consideration in NFL contract talk= money. Almost certainly guaranteed money.
I was thinking in terms of bonuses if he stays healthy x amount of games. Or any other clauses they want to add.
Mike Evans ain't signing an incentive laden deal. If he is then he's learned absolutely nothing.
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We paid VJax at 29.
We should be paying Evans. I appreciate his agents tactics but that deadline is simply bs.

It's sad to see that "Evans slow down" chatter has reached OBP. He still has plenty of prime years left. He'll have to show it out though. Last thing he needs is going into FA off a limp year.

If he shows thought bucs will pay. And he'll take the deal, if its right, and not risk injury the last few games for comparable money.
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Bootz wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:19 pm
Central_Buc wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:10 pm

I was thinking in terms of bonuses if he stays healthy x amount of games. Or any other clauses they want to add.
Mike Evans ain't signing an incentive laden deal. If he is then he's learned absolutely nothing.
How about a Bobby Bonilla type deal where we pay him $1 million a year until he reaches a certain age?
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Unless Tampa is good for write-offs, I could see the Glazers growing weary of all this.
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BuccaNOLEer wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:36 pm
Bootz wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:19 pm

Mike Evans ain't signing an incentive laden deal. If he is then he's learned absolutely nothing.
How about a Bobby Bonilla type deal where we pay him $1 million a year until he reaches a certain age?
I think you’re joking, but largely because of the time value of money, for starters.
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Doctor wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:20 pm We paid VJax at 29.
We should be paying Evans. I appreciate his agents tactics but that deadline is simply bs.

It's sad to see that "Evans slow down" chatter has reached OBP. He still has plenty of prime years left. He'll have to show it out though. Last thing he needs is going into FA off a limp year.

If he shows thought bucs will pay. And he'll take the deal, if its right, and not risk injury the last few games for comparable money.
When we paid VJax the team was loaded with cap space the point that he wasn’t the only big sigining we made. Comparing it to this situation is not fair because we are literally in a horrible cap situation with more players also up for paydays soon.
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Doctor wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:20 pm We paid VJax at 29.
We should be paying Evans. I appreciate his agents tactics but that deadline is simply bs.

It's sad to see that "Evans slow down" chatter has reached OBP. He still has plenty of prime years left. He'll have to show it out though. Last thing he needs is going into FA off a limp year.

If he shows thought bucs will pay. And he'll take the deal, if its right, and not risk injury the last few games for comparable money.
He’s shown enough.
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Snake wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 6:31 pm
BuccaNOLEer wrote: Tue Sep 05, 2023 4:36 pm

How about a Bobby Bonilla type deal where we pay him $1 million a year until he reaches a certain age?
I think you’re joking, but largely because of the time value of money, for starters.
I am. However, I think he'd jump at that deal. Hell, I think anyone would.
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Enjoy what is likely Evans final season here.

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Think KC gives us a first rounder for him next month?
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acmillis wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:36 pm Think KC gives us a first rounder for him next month?
It crossed my mind last night.
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acmillis wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:36 pm Think KC gives us a first rounder for him next month?
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acmillis wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:36 pm Think KC gives us a first rounder for him next month?
I would hate to see Evans go. But if the Bucs look bad over the first 6 games, it could be an offer the Bucs couldn't refuse. Better than losing him in FA for a later round draft pick.
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Bootz wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:42 pm
acmillis wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:36 pm Think KC gives us a first rounder for him next month?
No
What could we get for him?
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acmillis wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:16 pm
Bootz wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:42 pm

No
What could we get for him?
Jason Licht I'm sure would find a way to come up short in this trade.
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Bootz wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:30 pm
acmillis wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:16 pm

What could we get for him?
Jason Licht I'm sure would find a way to come up short in this trade.
If some team offered less than the Bucs would get in a compensatory pick, Licht would do it in a heartbeat.
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GreatTimes wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:43 pm
Bootz wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:30 pm

Jason Licht I'm sure would find a way to come up short in this trade.
If some team offered less than the Bucs would get in a compensatory pick, Licht would do it in a heartbeat.
I could easily see him do something like a 4th & a 5th and giving himself a pat on the back.
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I would want a Walker-style trade for Mike.
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If Mike said, "I don't care where I go this season, get the best deal" I'd take a 2 and a future 3 that can realistically become another 2. Nobody is sending a 1st for a 30 year old skill position rental player. Christian McCaffrey didn't get the Panthers a 1st and he had a deal. And even if such a thing was possible, the Texans screwed it all up with the D-Hop deal.

If Mike said, "Here's a short list of teams I'll play for" chances are you're doing that deal for a 2nd straight up. Maybe a 2nd and change.
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MJW wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:13 pm If Mike said, "I don't care where I go this season, get the best deal" I'd take a 2 and a future 3 that can realistically become another 2. Nobody is sending a 1st for a 30 year old skill position rental player. Christian McCaffrey didn't get the Panthers a 1st and he had a deal. And even if such a thing was possible, the Texans screwed it all up with the D-Hop deal.

If Mike said, "Here's a short list of teams I'll play for" chances are you're doing that deal for a 2nd straight up. Maybe a 2nd and change.
Honestly, this should've been avoided for a number of reasons. From Evans perspective, I don't know what he was thinking back then giving the Bucs a "hometown discount" and then volunteering to re-do his contract to free up money. There should've been some type of quid pro quo there. You don't wait until the 11th 1/2 hour to ask for an extension. That should've happened in March. April. May. June. July.

Additionally, from the Bucs perspective, you have an elite level player going into their contract year. A savvy GM starts making calls during the combine. With Evans' agents or other GMs if you have no intention of extending him.

No chance Licht comes close to getting an in-season trade for a 2nd, let alone a 2nd & change. Again, Evans is in his final year. He's a FA in mid-march. No team is trading for that. Especially at 30 years old and no promise that he'll sign an extension with them.

Same arguably applies to Devin White except I could see a team being more comfortable trading for a player going into his 2nd contract ala Bradley Chubb & the Dolphins.
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Mike sees the vets getting tossed because of money. Larry was smart and took small amounts of hurting the team and it allowed him to keep playing.
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Bootz wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:51 pm
GreatTimes wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:43 pm
If some team offered less than the Bucs would get in a compensatory pick, Licht would do it in a heartbeat.
I could easily see him do something like a 4th & a 5th and giving himself a pat on the back.
The best compensatory pick for a 10 year veteran would be a 5th, so that wouldn't be as bad as you think as both picks would be higher than the compensatory
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Bootz wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:45 pm
Honestly, this should've been avoided for a number of reasons. From Evans perspective, I don't know what he was thinking back then giving the Bucs a "hometown discount" and then volunteering to re-do his contract to free up money. There should've been some type of quid pro quo there. You don't wait until the 11th 1/2 hour to ask for an extension. That should've happened in March. April. May. June. July.
Per Mike Evans, they have been working on the deal for over a year. This isn't some last minute issue. They are simply that far apart either in money, guarantees, and/or length of the contract
Bootz wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:45 pm
No chance Licht comes close to getting an in-season trade for a 2nd, let alone a 2nd & change. Again, Evans is in his final year. He's a FA in mid-march. No team is trading for that. Especially at 30 years old and no promise that he'll sign an extension with them.
Say Evans balls out like he did 2 years ago, you don't think someone might offer a low 2nd round pick if they are all in?
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Trade him at deadline.

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kaimaru wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:38 pm
Bootz wrote: Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:45 pm

Honestly, this should've been avoided for a number of reasons. From Evans perspective, I don't know what he was thinking back then giving the Bucs a "hometown discount" and then volunteering to re-do his contract to free up money. There should've been some type of quid pro quo there. You don't wait until the 11th 1/2 hour to ask for an extension. That should've happened in March. April. May. June. July.
Per Mike Evans, they have been working on the deal for over a year. This isn't some last minute issue. They are simply that far apart either in money, guarantees, and/or length of the contract
If that's true, then this looks even worse for Evans' and his team. Rule #1 in this business should always be secure the bag. Far apart on a deal? Holdout. Make your demands known. He's going into this season with his future unprotected.

He's going to end up like LVD returning to this team on a 1 year deal for much less than market value.
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