Official Bucs 2021 NFL Season

[13F11B]

I have to hope that after this Sunday I will be able to talk proudly about how the Buccaneers overcame adversity to win the division.

[ATrain]

Depending on how things go, that bullshit Saints game could be the last time we see Godwin, Lenny, and LVD in a Bucs uniform...

[13F11B]

Depending on how things go, that bullshit Saints game could be the last time we see Godwin, Lenny, and LVD in a Bucs uniform...

I like Lenny but I do not think losing him would be the end of the world.
LVD is a player I would love to see retire as a Buccaneer but I am not sure the business side of the house will make that happen.
Godwin should be a priority unless his injury really changes his style of play. IMHO he is the best receiver on the team.

It will be interesting to see what the decision on Brady will be as well.

To be honest this off-season could bring a ton of change to the Buccaneers.

[AJPG]

Circle jerk of negative Nancy's, Chicken Littles and whinny little bitches.

Keep it going girls. Lmao

[MJW]

Circle jerk of negative Nancy's, Chicken Littles and whinny little bitches.

Keep it going girls. Lmao

We lost our top receiver (by a mile), our star running back, and our Ring Of Honor linebacker in one game. That's without mentioning Mike Evans, because who knows? We also torpedoed our chances at locking up a bye/homefield. We also still have a bunch of other guys hurt/recovering. And our best shot at keeping the offensive rolling is a dude who has barely played this season and a running back who lost his job .

Does any of this mean we CAN'T repeat? Of course not.

Are people overreacting? No. Our odds got a lot longer.

[Grahamburn]

To keep things in perspective.. They need to win one game to clinch the division. They likely need to win two to ensure a home playoff game. Win all three and you’re at home until the NFCCG with still an outside shot at the #1 seed.

Brady should still have plenty of weapons, and with a hopefully healthy LVD returning for the playoffs (assuming nobody else goes down) the defense will be playing it’s best ball, which is what they need to win anyway.

Prior seasons should tell us sometimes you need a little adversity to go all the way…

[kaimaru]

Oh I was looking at some advanced stats on our Bucs running backs. I think this will surprise a lot of people.

RB	Broken Tackle	Positive Run	%YAC	AYAC
A	54.5%	72.7%	84.0%	3.8
B	12.8%	87.8%	54.9%	2.5
C	5.6%	88.7%	49.6%	2.4
D	0.0%	87.5%	41.4%	3.0

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A) Ke'Shawn Vaughn
B) Leonard Fournette
C) Ronald Jones II
D) Giovani Bernard

One of those players has 11 attempts. It would be like flipping a coin 10 times. 7 times the coin came up heads so now you believe that there is a 70% chance that flipping a coin ends up heads. You can't make an accurate assessment on that few carries.

Oh, I know that you can't compare Vaughn to the others. I thought it was interesting that Fournette more than twice the run% with a broken tackle than Jones. Also, whiles Jones YPC is significantly higher then Fournette, their yards after contact is nearly identical. Is Jones just running later in the game when the defenses are more tired? I mean I have seen Fournette get skinny to get through the line quite a lot this year. I also see they like to run to the left and it looks like half of the players on the field are log jammed in front of him and he has nowhere to go. Just odd how the stats play out between them.

[mdb1958]

If Vaughn finally realizes that there are grown men going to take that ball from him and adjusts for it, he can rise real fast here if used. Doubt his confidence level is pinging the ceiling at this moment either.

[MJW]

To keep things in perspective.. They need to win one game to clinch the division. They likely need to win two to ensure a home playoff game. Win all three and you’re at home until the NFCCG with still an outside shot at the #1 seed.

Brady should still have plenty of weapons, and with a hopefully healthy LVD returning for the playoffs (assuming nobody else goes down) the defense will be playing it’s best ball, which is what they need to win anyway.

Prior seasons should tell us sometimes you need a little adversity to go all the way…

That's reasonable. But with the occasional exception of Gronk, Brady leans HEAVY on throwing the ball to Godwin and Fournette. Hell, you could argue throwing darts to Godwin between the hashes and dump-offs to Lenny is *basically* the foundation of our offense. Losing them both at the same time? Egads. Tyler Johnson did the same thing on the first play of Sunday's game that got Justin Watson sent to the Phantom Zone - he let the DB come across him and it nearly led to a pick. AB...I hope he can get to 100% soon. He'll help. Darden is a gadget guy and Miller really only produces on one route, and Brady has struggled throwing it this year.

Nobody should be surprised if Bell is playing a lot more than we're thinking right now by the playoffs. I can see Rojo coming out and Edward Scissorhandsing a few easy catches and #6 coming in.

[mdb1958]

Brady has a simple challenge - make it work with someone else.

[Grahamburn]

To keep things in perspective.. They need to win one game to clinch the division. They likely need to win two to ensure a home playoff game. Win all three and you’re at home until the NFCCG with still an outside shot at the #1 seed.

Brady should still have plenty of weapons, and with a hopefully healthy LVD returning for the playoffs (assuming nobody else goes down) the defense will be playing it’s best ball, which is what they need to win anyway.

Prior seasons should tell us sometimes you need a little adversity to go all the way…

That's reasonable. But with the occasional exception of Gronk, Brady leans HEAVY on throwing the ball to Godwin and Fournette. Hell, you could argue throwing darts to Godwin between the hashes and dump-offs to Lenny is *basically* the foundation of our offense. Losing them both at the same time? Egads. Tyler Johnson did the same thing on the first play of Sunday's game that got Justin Watson sent to the Phantom Zone - he let the DB come across him and it nearly led to a pick. AB...I hope he can get to 100% soon. He'll help. Darden is a gadget guy and Miller really only produces on one route, and Brady has struggled throwing it this year.

Nobody should be surprised if Bell is playing a lot more than we're thinking right now by the playoffs. I can see Rojo coming out and Edward Scissorhandsing a few easy catches and #6 coming in.

Losing Godwin and Fournette in the same game, Evans honorable mention, led to the doughnut disaster that was on Sunday night. Any offense losing its top 3 weapons in the same game is going to struggle mightily.

Brady can get it done with these other guys. They have “enough.” Let’s see how these players perform when they’re getting first team practice reps instead of getting thrown into the fire.

I’ll bang the drum for more OJ Howard and Cameron Brate too. Put them on the field the same time as Gronk. Hand it off a few times. Play some physical ball. I’d love to see some 1 WR stuff with AB, 3 TEs, and RoJo in the backfield with nothing to do but be explosive as a runner.

[mdb1958]

Kinda disturbed, I was certain this offense would be a 500 point offense this year.

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[mdb1958]

Oh I was looking at some advanced stats on our Bucs running backs. I think this will surprise a lot of people.

RB	Broken Tackle	Positive Run	%YAC	AYAC
A	54.5%	72.7%	84.0%	3.8
B	12.8%	87.8%	54.9%	2.5
C	5.6%	88.7%	49.6%	2.4
D	0.0%	87.5%	41.4%	3.0

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A) Ke'Shawn Vaughn
B) Leonard Fournette
C) Ronald Jones II
D) Giovani Bernard

Can you update this?

[mdb1958]

Seems we need to scratch off 30 yards to have the #1 rush defense again.

ATM (at the moment)

[mdb1958]

Not gonna lie - kinda hated seeing Carolina get 82 yards on that last drive.

[kaimaru]

Oh I was looking at some advanced stats on our Bucs running backs. I think this will surprise a lot of people.

RB	Broken Tackle	Positive Run	%YAC	AYAC
A	54.5%	72.7%	84.0%	3.8
B	12.8%	87.8%	54.9%	2.5
C	5.6%	88.7%	49.6%	2.4
D	0.0%	87.5%	41.4%	3.0

A) Ke'Shawn Vaughn
B) Leonard Fournette
C) Ronald Jones II
D) Giovani Bernard

Can you update this?

Huh, well IDK but they claim Vaughn had zero broken tackles and yet his yards after contact is 0 for the game. I guess they are saying none of those defenders touched him. His YBC jumped to 4.7.

RB	Broken Tackle	Positive Run	%YAC	AYAC
A	16.7%	55.5%	29.2%	1.9
B	12.8%	87.8%	54.9%	2.5
C	5.5%	87.9%	35.6%	1.6
D	0.0%	87.5%	41.4%	1.6

A) Ke'Shawn Vaughn
B) Leonard Fournette
C) Ronald Jones II
D) Giovani Bernard

PS they were running him late to burn time off the clock and he had 5 of 7 runs of 1 yard or less hence why his positive runs plummeted.

[BJJ34]

Can you update this?

Huh, well IDK but they claim Vaughn had zero broken tackles and yet his yards after contact is 0 for the game. I guess they are saying none of those defenders touched him. His YBC jumped to 4.7.

RB	Broken Tackle	Positive Run	%YAC	AYAC
A	16.7%	55.5%	29.2%	1.9
B	12.8%	87.8%	54.9%	2.5
C	5.5%	87.9%	35.6%	1.6
D	0.0%	87.5%	41.4%	1.6

A) Ke'Shawn Vaughn
B) Leonard Fournette
C) Ronald Jones II
D) Giovani Bernard

PS they were running him late to burn time off the clock and he had 5 of 7 runs of 1 yard or less hence why his positive runs plummeted.

Didn't he stiff arm someone on that touchdown run?

[Selmon Rules]

Seemed to me that he did run through an ankle tackle there at the beginning of the run.... Guess that doesn't qualify as a broken tackle



Michael Pittman would have gone down like an Italian soccer player if something got near his feet it seems

[kaimaru]

Seemed to me that he did run through an ankle tackle there at the beginning of the run.... Guess that doesn't qualify as a broken tackle



Michael Pittman would have gone down like an Italian soccer player if something got near his feet it seems

Per the site: "Broken Tackles: both rushing and receiving - the number of times that the runner does something significant to get past/through a defender." I guess a stiff arm and the quick shift to get out of an ankle tackle wasn't "significant."

[Digital_Damage]

Byron could get that poor kid killed...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nf ... d=msedgntp

[BJJ34]

Pretty good wrap up of Whitehead on sunday.

[13F11B]

Pretty good wrap up of Whitehead on sunday.

I agree. Apparently, he is man enough to take on WRs without going for their knees too. I like the solid tackling he displayed. Great technique.

[ATrain]

Pretty good wrap up of Whitehead on sunday.

I agree. Apparently, he is man enough to take on WRs without going for their knees too. I like the solid tackling he displayed. Great technique.

Yeap, and he could have too. But he's not a bitch like PJ so he doesn't have to target division opponents knees.

JW was dominant against the Panthers, hopefully that same JW shows up versus the Jets.

[Dread]

Chris Godwin is here at First Watch in Carrollwood getting take out.

Looks like he hasn't had surgery yet.

Even pro bowl WRs on the franchise tag have to go get wifey breakfast I suppose.

[Snake]

Chris Godwin is here at First Watch in Carrollwood getting take out.

Looks like he hasn't had surgery yet.

Even pro bowl WRs on the franchise tag have to go get wifey breakfast I suppose.

First Watch huh

[Nobody]

Whitehead has been incredible. He’s not just a great box and overhang run defender, he’s also become a very good hook/seam and curl/flat defender in the passing game.

And the guy plays the game at 100 MPH with infectious intensity.

Right now, he’s looking down at Devin in terms of how impactful and consistent he is. I would love to see Devin put in a consistent, assignment sound, disruption-intensive year like Whitehead has. This year for Whitehead is the kind of year you would want your downhill/box enforcer/run-and-chase play-maker to have.

Losing him in the off-season will absolutely hurt this defense.

[ATrain]

Whitehead has been incredible. He’s not just a great box and overhang run defender, he’s also become a very good hook/seam and curl/flat defender in the passing game.

And the guy plays the game at 100 MPH with infectious intensity.

Right now, he’s looking down at Devin in terms of how impactful and consistent he is. I would love to see Devin put in a consistent, assignment sound, disruption-intensive year like Whitehead has. This year for Whitehead is the kind of year you would want your downhill/box enforcer/run-and-chase play-maker to have.

Losing him in the off-season will absolutely hurt this defense.

Hopefully since JW has been a late bloomer we won't have to pay some monstrous contract to keep him. If he's wanting that big money, then we'll be seeing him in another teams jersey unfortunately.

[Nobody]

Whitehead has been incredible. He’s not just a great box and overhang run defender, he’s also become a very good hook/seam and curl/flat defender in the passing game.

And the guy plays the game at 100 MPH with infectious intensity.

Right now, he’s looking down at Devin in terms of how impactful and consistent he is. I would love to see Devin put in a consistent, assignment sound, disruption-intensive year like Whitehead has. This year for Whitehead is the kind of year you would want your downhill/box enforcer/run-and-chase play-maker to have.

Losing him in the off-season will absolutely hurt this defense.

Hopefully since JW has been a late bloomer we won't have to pay some monstrous contract to keep him. If he's wanting that big money, then we'll be seeing him in another teams jersey unfortunately.

I wouldn’t say he’s been a late bloomer. He’s been on an ascendant path for the last 2.5 years now. The through line is a pretty consistent upward trajectory.

He still misses more tackles than you’d like, but he’s an absolutely exceptional box/overhang player and Dimebacker (with LVD out last week, he played a lot of snaps as a Dimebacker).

But he’ll almost surely get paid this off-season and it won’t be by us. One of Licht’s best picks.

[King Bootz]

Meh, I'm not sure I like JW THAT much. He's a pretty good player but hardly irreplaceable. And he gets nicked up more than you'd like as well.

I could see us retaining him as I don't believe he'll command that big of a salary. Are we better with him than without? Sure. But his absence hasn't really been noticeable.

[Cheb]

Meh, I'm not sure I like JW THAT much. He's a pretty good player but hardly irreplaceable. And he gets nicked up more than you'd like as well.

I could see us retaining him as I don't believe he'll command that big of a salary. Are we better with him than without? Sure. But his absence hasn't really been noticeable.

Whitehead has improved throughout his Bucs tenure. Last game he was playing at a Pro Bowl level. And he isn't even 25 yet.

Spotrac thinks that Whitehead is worth less than a million per anum, but I think he's worth more than that. I would like to see him back in a Bucs' uniform next season for whatever market value may be, but unfortunately money is going to be tight and we are going to have to make some tough decisions. Letting Whitehead walk could be one of those business decisions we have to make.

[ATrain]

Meh, I'm not sure I like JW THAT much. He's a pretty good player but hardly irreplaceable. And he gets nicked up more than you'd like as well.

I could see us retaining him as I don't believe he'll command that big of a salary. Are we better with him than without? Sure. But his absence hasn't really been noticeable.

Whitehead has improved throughout his Bucs tenure. Last game he was playing at a Pro Bowl level. And he isn't even 25 yet.

Spotrac thinks that Whitehead is worth less than a million per anum, but I think he's worth more than that. I would like to see him back in a Bucs' uniform next season for whatever market value may be, but unfortunately money is going to be tight and we are going to have to make some tough decisions. Letting Whitehead walk could be one of those business decisions we have to make.

Patriots just signed Adrian Phillips to a 3 year $12.75 mil extension. I wonder if that's close to what JW will cost us.

[King Bootz]

Whitehead has improved throughout his Bucs tenure. Last game he was playing at a Pro Bowl level. And he isn't even 25 yet.

Spotrac thinks that Whitehead is worth less than a million per anum, but I think he's worth more than that. I would like to see him back in a Bucs' uniform next season for whatever market value may be, but unfortunately money is going to be tight and we are going to have to make some tough decisions. Letting Whitehead walk could be one of those business decisions we have to make.

Patriots just signed Adrian Phillips $12.65llips to a 3 year $12.75 mil extension. I wonder if that's close to what JW will cost us.

That would be a fair deal for both sides.

[ATrain]

Patriots just signed Adrian Phillips $12.65llips to a 3 year $12.75 mil extension. I wonder if that's close to what JW will cost us.

That would be a fair deal for both sides.

I agree. And it's something we should be able to afford. Cutting Brate frees up JW money easily.

[Nobody]

Some of it depends upon if Brady and the coaching staff are back.

My lean at this point is a “nope.”

Given the FAs we’re going to have, the priority of CD3, the available cash, the unknown Godwin situation, the injury propensity of Whitehead (not because he’s soft but mostly because of his brand of play)…

It makes it hard for me to imagine he comes back. Even with Edwards, they’d certainly like to have Whitehead back because they can play DB heavy packages. But, put it all together and I’d say well south of a coin flip’s chance.

[mdb1958]

The ole cut and run - that's professional.