Is Patrick Mahomes a HOFer Already?

[Four Verticals]

Mahomes is on his way to becoming the best QB of all time. He may not get there but he's on the right path.

The Chiefs are unlikely to be as good as the Patriots were for much of Brady's career. These are two separate issues.

[Buc2]

My god, Lugz. Breathe dude. Just try to breathe normally.

[13F11B]

Mahommes is in the HOF at this point, IMHO. I think he has a shot to erase many of Brady's records. Brady's career kinds crossed two different NFL eras.

[Doctor]

He is.

The hype around the kid is real and warranted, it doesn't mean it's not a towering feat to accomplish.

Its like you know no one is catching Jerry Rice. He's just so insanely ahead. But every now and then you get a Randy Moss type that makes you believe "if they keep this pace.... maybe".

Which in itself is actually quite an accomplishment and compliment.

[MJW]

Patrick Mahomes was a first ballot HOFer before Sunday.

Now it shouldn't even be a conversation.

[Jonny]

Mahomes was first ballot HOF material after the end of 2020 season where Bucs beat the Chiefs in the Superbowl. I love Brady and what he has done for us. But my eye test tells me Mahomes is the best QB to ever walk the earth. The accomplishments Mahomes has been accumulating since 2021 season have been to get him to the GOAT status from a resume standpoint.

When teams drafted Vick, Newton and Allen even, I'm sure all of the franchises wanted a magician with the feet and a Montana with the arm. Mahomes has exceeded expectations on both imo.

[Digital_Damage]

No... he is not.

He has another 10,000-15,000 yards before that discussion. Which I fully expect him to get.

[uscbucsfan1]

No... he is not.

He has another 10,000-15,000 yards before that discussion. Which I fully expect him to get.

Lol.

I dont even know how you could argue this with the amount of voters who say he is, but you think a 2 time MVP and 2 time SB winner/MVP who also is top 10 in wins, yards, TDs in the playoffs, the top QB rating in history, and all of his other accolades would not get in?

Of course not. "He needs more yards" is a hilariously dumb take.

[MJW]

There are really three types of Hall Of Famers. They're not exclusive. Most guys are a combination. But most guys are also more of one kind or another.

There's the "We can't have a Hall Of Fame without this guy" Hall Of Famers. Brady, Emmitt, blah blah blah.

There's the "Wow, this guy played a long time, racked up the numbers, and built a Hall Of Fame career brick by brick." Our own #20 is such a guy.

Then there's the Terrell Davis "This guy might not have played that long, but he was generational while he did" Hall Of Famers.

The question is not whether Mahomes is a Hall Of Famer. The question is just if he's more the first type right now or the third type at this point. I think this past season moved him from the third kind to the first kind. But he was already in.

[Doctor]

Exactly. HoF is like college admissions, its not just GPA and SATs.

[Bootz]

There are really three types of Hall Of Famers. They're not exclusive. Most guys are a combination. But most guys are also more of one kind or another.

There's the "We can't have a Hall Of Fame without this guy" Hall Of Famers. Brady, Emmitt, blah blah blah.

There's the "Wow, this guy played a long time, racked up the numbers, and built a Hall Of Fame career brick by brick." Our own #20 is such a guy.

Then there's the Terrell Davis "This guy might not have played that long, but he was generational while he did" Hall Of Famers.

The question is not whether Mahomes is a Hall Of Famer. The question is just if he's more the first type right now or the third type at this point. I think this past season moved him from the third kind to the first kind. But he was already in.

This sums it up quite perfectly, MJW. His resume is already better than a lot of guys who have played well into their 30s. It was prior to this season.

[Bootz]

No... he is not.

He has another 10,000-15,000 yards before that discussion. Which I fully expect him to get.

Lol.

I dont even know how you could argue this with the amount of voters who say he is, but you think a 2 time MVP and 2 time SB winner/MVP who also is top 10 in wins, yards, TDs in the playoffs, the top QB rating in history, and all of his other accolades would not get in?

Of course not. "He needs more yards" is a hilariously dumb take.

Consider the source. It's called Digital_Dumbass for a reason.

[Digital_Damage]

No... he is not.

He has another 10,000-15,000 yards before that discussion. Which I fully expect him to get.

Lol.

I dont even know how you could argue this with the amount of voters who say he is, but you think a 2 time MVP and 2 time SB winner/MVP who also is top 10 in wins, yards, TDs in the playoffs, the top QB rating in history, and all of his other accolades would not get in?

Of course not. "He needs more yards" is a hilariously dumb take.

No... that is not what the voters are saying. Don't know where you are getting that nonsense from.

Right now, he is on the bubble. Not just with the voters, but also with the HOFm. Just Ahead of Eli Manning, just below where Kurt Warner ended up.

The needle has skyrocketed to a 109 average for inductees thanks to Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Rothlisberger. Warner will be the last double-digit inductee. It's going to take triple digits to get in now.

He has a Jack Kemp/Eli Manning level resume right now.

If he quits today, he is sitting around waiting. If he plays another 3 years at a high level, he makes a case.

[Bootz]

Lol.

I dont even know how you could argue this with the amount of voters who say he is, but you think a 2 time MVP and 2 time SB winner/MVP who also is top 10 in wins, yards, TDs in the playoffs, the top QB rating in history, and all of his other accolades would not get in?

Of course not. "He needs more yards" is a hilariously dumb take.

No... that is not what the voters are saying. Don't know where you are getting that nonsense from.

Right now, he is on the bubble. Not just with the voters, but also with the HOFm. Just Ahead of Eli Manning, just below where Kurt Warner ended up.

The needle has skyrocketed to a 109 average for inductees thanks to Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Rothlisberger. Warner will be the last double-digit inductee. It's going to take triple digits to get in now.

He has a Jack Kemp/Eli Manning level resume right now.

If he quits today, he is sitting around waiting. If he plays another 3 years at a high level, he makes a case.

Now we've got to do something about our week ass trolling. Come better than this.

[uscbucsfan1]

Lol.

I dont even know how you could argue this with the amount of voters who say he is, but you think a 2 time MVP and 2 time SB winner/MVP who also is top 10 in wins, yards, TDs in the playoffs, the top QB rating in history, and all of his other accolades would not get in?

Of course not. "He needs more yards" is a hilariously dumb take.

No... that is not what the voters are saying. Don't know where you are getting that nonsense from.

Right now, he is on the bubble. Not just with the voters, but also with the HOFm. Just Ahead of Eli Manning, just below where Kurt Warner ended up.

The needle has skyrocketed to a 109 average for inductees thanks to Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Rothlisberger. Warner will be the last double-digit inductee. It's going to take triple digits to get in now.

He has a Jack Kemp/Eli Manning level resume right now.

If he quits today, he is sitting around waiting. If he plays another 3 years at a high level, he makes a case.

You are using an arbitrary number as your sole argument saying everyone in the media, current HOFers, and everyone else is wrong?

The fact that you could even post that he has an Eli Manning resume is ridiculous.

Voters don't use those metrics.

Again, 2 SB MVP, 2 Regular season MVP, 5 straight AFC championships, 3 SB appearances, top 10 in NFL history in playoff passing yards, TDs, wins. Highest QBR in history and 2nd most comebacks in playoff history.

He has more All Pro teams than Eli, Big Ben, and Warner combined.

He's an absolute lock. You are the only person saying otherwise.

You can't tell the story of the league without talking about his 5 year stretch and his highlight reels.

That math equation, they made up, would suggest Calvin Johnson is not a HoFer while Holt would be first ballot or Ronde with an 81, is not going to make it, but Matt Ryan has a 106 is first ballot?

It's because numbers only tell a portion of the story.

Lavonte David is at 47 and Lynch at 62.

Lol.

Lazy argument.

[Digital_Damage]

No... that is not what the voters are saying. Don't know where you are getting that nonsense from.

Right now, he is on the bubble. Not just with the voters, but also with the HOFm. Just Ahead of Eli Manning, just below where Kurt Warner ended up.

The needle has skyrocketed to a 109 average for inductees thanks to Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Rothlisberger. Warner will be the last double-digit inductee. It's going to take triple digits to get in now.

He has a Jack Kemp/Eli Manning level resume right now.

If he quits today, he is sitting around waiting. If he plays another 3 years at a high level, he makes a case.

You are using an arbitrary number as your sole argument saying everyone in the media, current HOFers, and everyone else is wrong?

The fact that you could even post that he has an Eli Manning resume is ridiculous.

Voters don't use those metrics.

Again, 2 SB MVP, 2 Regular season MVP, 5 straight AFC championships, 3 SB appearances, top 10 in NFL history in playoff passing yards, TDs, wins. Highest QBR in history and 2nd most comebacks in playoff history.

He has more All Pro teams than Eli, Big Ben, and Warner combined.

He's an absolute lock. You are the only person saying otherwise.

You can't tell the story of the league without talking about his 5 year stretch and his highlight reels.

That math equation, they made up, would suggest Calvin Johnson is not a HoFer while Holt would be first ballot or Ronde with an 81, is not going to make it, but Matt Ryan has a 106 is first ballot?

It's because numbers only tell a portion of the story.

Lavonte David is at 47 and Lynch at 62.

Lol.

Lazy argument.

Using several key productivity indicators to make the argument. That is how you evaluate someone's performance. It's math.

Calivin Johnson is an extreme outlier (for all the reasons you are saying Mahomes is a HOF now, Calvin Johnsons is not). Tory Holt should absolutely be in.

It is not the "hall of a very good 5 years", the hall of fame is based on the totality of your career measured against your peers.

What exactly do you propose they use? Some random Cherry-picked stats over an arbitrary number of seasons? Number of Championships?

Metrics are based on position, why would you try to compare a CB to a QB?... Matt Ryan is on the outside of the composite Thresh hold. Lazy argument indeed.

[uscbucsfan1]

You are using an arbitrary number as your sole argument saying everyone in the media, current HOFers, and everyone else is wrong?

The fact that you could even post that he has an Eli Manning resume is ridiculous.

Voters don't use those metrics.

Again, 2 SB MVP, 2 Regular season MVP, 5 straight AFC championships, 3 SB appearances, top 10 in NFL history in playoff passing yards, TDs, wins. Highest QBR in history and 2nd most comebacks in playoff history.

He has more All Pro teams than Eli, Big Ben, and Warner combined.

He's an absolute lock. You are the only person saying otherwise.

You can't tell the story of the league without talking about his 5 year stretch and his highlight reels.

That math equation, they made up, would suggest Calvin Johnson is not a HoFer while Holt would be first ballot or Ronde with an 81, is not going to make it, but Matt Ryan has a 106 is first ballot?

It's because numbers only tell a portion of the story.

Lavonte David is at 47 and Lynch at 62.

Lol.

Lazy argument.

Using several key productivity indicators to make the argument. That is how you evaluate someone's performance. It's math.

Calivin Johnson is an extreme outlier (for all the reasons you are saying Mahomes is a HOF now, Calvin Johnsons is not). Tory Holt should absolutely be in.

It is not the "hall of a very good 5 years", the hall of fame is based on the totality of your career measured against your peers.

What exactly do you propose they use? Some random Cherry-picked stats over an arbitrary number of seasons? Number of Championships?

Metrics are based on position, why would you try to compare a CB to a QB?... Matt Ryan is on the outside of the composite Thresh hold. Lazy argument indeed.

They don't just use math to select HoF players.

I didn't even list more extreme outliers like Terrell Davis who was able to get in with 4 great seasons. The reason for the outliers are because voters don't vote with just numbers.

You are citing something irrelevant to the HoF selection process and basing your entire argument on it. You don't see why that's a little crazy?

If Mahomes retired today from injury or otherwise, you honestly think that he would be the first multiple MVP (who also won 2 SB MVPs) to be left out of the HoF in NFL history? You think voters would say, "Man, he just didn't play long enough or get enough yards in the regular season" ? There's no logic there...of course he's in.

You don't think he made a big enough impact on the league to fulfill Dan Patrick's criteria of not being able to tell the story of the NFL without him?

[mdb1958]

Is Lincoln Keinholz a future Hall of Famer?

[Bootz]

@Digital_Damage knows what he's doing. His silly theory can't be disproven because Mahomes is nowhere near retiring and will likely reach his ridiculous standards sooner rather than later.

He accuses @uscbucsfan1 of cherry picking and then does that very thing by exclusively looking at the math.

Pure math or longevity aren't the only things measured up when talking about HOF players. Was the player ever the best at his position for a sustained time period? For Mahomes absolutely. At minimum he's been the best QB in football for the past 2-3 seasons. He's already the most talented player to play the position. So trying to go against the grain is absolute stupidity.

[Digital_Damage]

Using several key productivity indicators to make the argument. That is how you evaluate someone's performance. It's math.

Calivin Johnson is an extreme outlier (for all the reasons you are saying Mahomes is a HOF now, Calvin Johnsons is not). Tory Holt should absolutely be in.

It is not the "hall of a very good 5 years", the hall of fame is based on the totality of your career measured against your peers.

What exactly do you propose they use? Some random Cherry-picked stats over an arbitrary number of seasons? Number of Championships?

Metrics are based on position, why would you try to compare a CB to a QB?... Matt Ryan is on the outside of the composite Thresh hold. Lazy argument indeed.

They don't just use math to select HoF players.

I didn't even list more extreme outliers like Terrell Davis who was able to get in with 4 great seasons. The reason for the outliers are because voters don't vote with just numbers.

You are citing something irrelevant to the HoF selection process and basing your entire argument on it. You don't see why that's a little crazy?

If Mahomes retired today from injury or otherwise, you honestly think that he would be the first multiple MVP (who also won 2 SB MVPs) to be left out of the HoF in NFL history? You think voters would say, "Man, he just didn't play long enough or get enough yards in the regular season" ? There's no logic there...of course he's in.

You don't think he made a big enough impact on the league to fulfill Dan Patrick's criteria of not being able to tell the story of the NFL without him?

You mean the Terrell Davis with his Tripple digit HOFm score that is calculated based on metrics relative to his peers? That Terrell Davis?

[uscbucsfan1]

They don't just use math to select HoF players.

I didn't even list more extreme outliers like Terrell Davis who was able to get in with 4 great seasons. The reason for the outliers are because voters don't vote with just numbers.

You are citing something irrelevant to the HoF selection process and basing your entire argument on it. You don't see why that's a little crazy?

If Mahomes retired today from injury or otherwise, you honestly think that he would be the first multiple MVP (who also won 2 SB MVPs) to be left out of the HoF in NFL history? You think voters would say, "Man, he just didn't play long enough or get enough yards in the regular season" ? There's no logic there...of course he's in.

You don't think he made a big enough impact on the league to fulfill Dan Patrick's criteria of not being able to tell the story of the NFL without him?

You mean the Terrell Davis with his Tripple digit HOFm score that is calculated based on metrics relative to his peers? That Terrell Davis?

What you're missing here is that the formula was created to try to gage players. Hence citing Ronde, Lynch, and Ryan...not comparing their positions.

The formula is irrelevant, because it's not used by voters and that's why there are outliers and players that get in on 4 years of play.

You've made 0 argument outside of an irrelevant formula. Are you following?

[Digital_Damage]

You mean the Terrell Davis with his Tripple digit HOFm score that is calculated based on metrics relative to his peers? That Terrell Davis?

What you're missing here is that the formula was created to try to gage players. Hence citing Ronde, Lynch, and Ryan...not comparing their positions.

The formula is irrelevant, because it's not used by voters and that's why there are outliers and players that get in on 4 years of play.

You've made 0 argument outside of an irrelevant formula. Are you following?

Who let Bootz 2.0 in here? Moving the goal post when factually disproven. Using words incorrectly. Providing no sound analysis or data to back random statements.

The formula is based on key indicators and thresholds of players inducted into the hall of fame. It is completely mathematically relevant.

You have some random stats and accolades to support your case that cannot be correlated to actual examples at the position. You only provide some abstract notion that the formula it is not being used by voters (which may or may not be factual but does not make it irrelevant as a measuring stick), but provide no criteria that they actually use. It's a strawman.

You could not even bother to verify that one of your outliner examples for a position that is not even in scope was right at the formula's threshold.

I'm having a hard time understanding why we should be entertaining your opinion.

[Jonny]

I'm having a hard time understanding why we should be entertaining your opinion.

I'm sure most on this board feel that way about your opinion. I derive entertainment from contrarians like yourself, so I am actually glad you were willing to be that guy on this topic. The real question is, are you simply a contrarian or a hater of Mahomes?

[CannonFire]

If he were to never take another snap, does he get, "the knock?"

2-time League MVP
2-time SB Champion
2-time SB MVP

Why or why not?

Everyone who has one two MVPs are either in (Jim Brown, Unitas, Montana, Steve Young, Favre, Warner, P. Manning) or will be (Brady, Rodgers).

Why not? He's been better than Terrell Davis.

[Digital_Damage]

I'm having a hard time understanding why we should be entertaining your opinion.

I'm sure most on this board feel that way about your opinion. I derive entertainment from contrarians like yourself, so I am actually glad you were willing to be that guy on this topic. The real question is, are you simply a contrarian or a hater of Mahomes?

I'm the biggest Mahomes fan, can just look at some of my posts. I'm just being honest here.

Knuckleheads like boots will get all excited about short term success (Sometimes for only one year). Then push that short term example as proof that someone is elite years later even though they can't stay on the field or just suck out loud. That it not Mahomes right now, but I'm all about long term success as an indicator of greatness. Like I said initially, I expect him to get in the hall of fame. Just not with the current resume and certainly not with the resume he had when he started the season.

[Four Verticals]

I'm sure most on this board feel that way about your opinion. I derive entertainment from contrarians like yourself, so I am actually glad you were willing to be that guy on this topic. The real question is, are you simply a contrarian or a hater of Mahomes?

I'm the biggest Mahomes fan, can just look at some of my posts. I'm just being honest here.

Knuckleheads like boots will get all excited about short term success (Sometimes for only one year). Then push that short term example as proof that someone is elite years later even though they can't stay on the field or just suck out loud. That it not Mahomes right now, but I'm all about long term success as an indicator of greatness. Like I said initially, I expect him to get in the hall of fame. Just not with the current resume and certainly not with the resume he had when he started the season.

Best to quit while your behind. Kurt Warner had an extended career however had about the same number of seasons near the quality of Mahomes has had each of the years he's been a starter in the league. Mahomes has done it without the downside. Warner is in the HOF. Mahomes is in the HOF now and was prior to this season.

That's not the only reason any thinking football fan would have this opinion but it is an example.

Whatever bullshit you're coming up with to justify an oposing opinion just because....well....just because I guess...is just that...bullshit.

[Digital_Damage]

I'm the biggest Mahomes fan, can just look at some of my posts. I'm just being honest here.

Knuckleheads like boots will get all excited about short term success (Sometimes for only one year). Then push that short term example as proof that someone is elite years later even though they can't stay on the field or just suck out loud. That it not Mahomes right now, but I'm all about long term success as an indicator of greatness. Like I said initially, I expect him to get in the hall of fame. Just not with the current resume and certainly not with the resume he had when he started the season.

Best to quit while your behind. Kurt Warner had an extended career however had about the same number of seasons near the quality of Mahomes has had each of the years he's been a starter in the league. Mahomes has done it without the downside. Warner is in the HOF. Mahomes is in the HOF now and was prior to this season.

That's not the only reason any thinking football fan would have this opinion but it is an example.

Whatever bullshit you're coming up with to justify an oposing opinion just because....well....just because I guess...is just that...bullshit.

I'm not sure if you did not read the start of this or just not comprehending. http://itsabucslife.com/viewtopic.php?p=122629#p122629

I clearly stated Warner is going to be the last to get with a resume like that. You're going to have to turn in a career that registers in the triple digits on the HOFm to get in now thanks to the players listed in the link. The bar has been raised an incredible amount since 2017.

Let me put this a different way, if you could only choose 4 players out of the following list to get inducted who would be the odd man out? It should be a simple decision.

P Manning
T Brady
D Brees
A Rodgers
P Mahomes

Now...

If Mahomes plays another 5 seasons at a high level who is out now? It becomes a more difficult decision huh?

[Buc2]

I'm sure most on this board feel that way about your opinion. I derive entertainment from contrarians like yourself, so I am actually glad you were willing to be that guy on this topic. The real question is, are you simply a contrarian or a hater of Mahomes?

I'm the biggest Mahomes fan, can just look at some of my posts. I'm just being honest here.

Knuckleheads like boots will get all excited about short term success (Sometimes for only one year). Then push that short term example as proof that someone is elite years later even though they can't stay on the field or just suck out loud. That it not Mahomes right now, but I'm all about long term success as an indicator of greatness. Like I said initially, I expect him to get in the hall of fame. Just not with the current resume and certainly not with the resume he had when he started the season.

Not to defend Bootz, but he absolutely does not do that. He's usually the one telling people to calm their tits over a one-year wonder. Or 2-year wonder...whatever. Mahomes, however, does not fall into that category in anyone's opinion but yours.

[Digital_Damage]

I'm the biggest Mahomes fan, can just look at some of my posts. I'm just being honest here.

Knuckleheads like boots will get all excited about short term success (Sometimes for only one year). Then push that short term example as proof that someone is elite years later even though they can't stay on the field or just suck out loud. That it not Mahomes right now, but I'm all about long term success as an indicator of greatness. Like I said initially, I expect him to get in the hall of fame. Just not with the current resume and certainly not with the resume he had when he started the season.

Not to defend Bootz, but he absolutely does not do that. He's usually the one telling people to calm their tits over a one-year wonder. Or 2-year wonder...whatever. Mahomes, however, does not fall into that category in anyone's opinion but yours.

This should be good...

Ask him about why Lamar Jackson is so great... or How RGIII was going to light up the league and Cousins was trash.

Been an ardent supporter of Mahomes... he is just not ready for the Hall of Fame. I even said he will get there in this thread.

So... out of the 5 listed above who is out?

[Buc2]

Not to defend Bootz, but he absolutely does not do that. He's usually the one telling people to calm their tits over a one-year wonder. Or 2-year wonder...whatever. Mahomes, however, does not fall into that category in anyone's opinion but yours.

This should be good...

Ask him about why Lamar Jackson is so great... or How RGIII was going to light up the league and Cousins was trash.

Been an ardent supporter of Mahomes... he is just not ready for the Hall of Fame. I even said he will get there in this thread.

So... out of the 5 listed above who is out?

Yes, he likes Lamar. lots of people here do. But I've never seen him say he's a HoF'er. Yet. Yes, he liked RGIII coming out but conceded his suckage long, long ago. None of your arguments are going to win you this Mahomes argument, however.

[Digital_Damage]

This should be good...

Ask him about why Lamar Jackson is so great... or How RGIII was going to light up the league and Cousins was trash.

Been an ardent supporter of Mahomes... he is just not ready for the Hall of Fame. I even said he will get there in this thread.

So... out of the 5 listed above who is out?

Yes, he likes Lamar. lots of people here do. But I've never seen him say he's a HoF'er. Yet. Yes, he liked RGIII coming out but conceded his suckage long, long ago. None of your arguments are going to win you this Mahomes argument, however.

Answer the question then.

[Buc2]

Yes, he likes Lamar. lots of people here do. But I've never seen him say he's a HoF'er. Yet. Yes, he liked RGIII coming out but conceded his suckage long, long ago. None of your arguments are going to win you this Mahomes argument, however.

Answer the question then.

Brees or Rodgers.

PS - I wouldn't leave any of them out as of today.

[Digital_Damage]

Answer the question then.

Brees or Rodgers.

PS - I wouldn't leave any of them out as of today.

So... just so I'm clear.

You are saying Mahomes over Rodgers or Brees?

Rodgers: 4 * MVP, 4 * All Pro, 10 * Pro Bowl, 4 * passing rating leader, lifetime 103.6 Passer rating, 60,000 yards, lifetime 4 to 1 TD/INT ratio.
Mahomes: 2 *MVP, 2 * All Pro, 5 * Pro Bowl, Lifetime 105.7 Passer Rating, 24,000 Yards, lifetime 4 to 1 TD/INT ratio.

are you retarded?

[Bootz]

Brees or Rodgers.

PS - I wouldn't leave any of them out as of today.

So... just so I'm clear.

You are saying Mahomes over Rodgers or Brees?

I am. Both.

[Buc2]

Brees or Rodgers.

PS - I wouldn't leave any of them out as of today.

So... just so I'm clear.

You are saying Mahomes over Rodgers or Brees?

Rodgers: 4 * MVP, 4 * All Pro, 10 * Pro Bowl, 4 * passing rating leader, lifetime 103.6 Passer rating, 60,000 yards, lifetime 4 to 1 TD/INT ratio.
Mahomes: 2 *MVP, 2 * All Pro, 5 * Pro Bowl, Lifetime 105.7 Passer Rating, 24,000 Yards, lifetime 4 to 1 TD/INT ratio.

are you retarded?

Yes. That's what I'm saying.

My order from your list:
1 - T Brady
2 - P Manning
3 - P Mahomes
4a - A Rodgers
4b - D Brees

Oh, and yes, I may be retarded. But it's debatable.