The Official Jameis Winston Thread

[These Are The Days]

Can anyone remember a time where a team just straight up moved on from it's former #1 overall player who was supposed to be the face of the franchise and that team completely turns it around and wins a title?

The Rams and Jared Goff just last year.

Cheb's got dibs on me

#TheseAreTheBlunders

[Deja Entendu]

Can anyone remember a time where a team just straight up moved on from it's former #1 overall player who was supposed to be the face of the franchise and that team completely turns it around and wins a title?

Brady’s done it twice.

[_MB_]

Can anyone remember a time where a team just straight up moved on from it's former #1 overall player who was supposed to be the face of the franchise and that team completely turns it around and wins a title?

Brady’s done it twice.

Damned right he did. haha!

[MJW]

I actually liked Bruce Gradkowski. Many moons ago I updated the batched draft class to Madden and this Gradkoski guy would go on to win SB MVP on a sim. Then we drafted it. Didn't go the same well.

For me it's still a what if about Josh Johnson and Jon Gruden.

Dude, the "Gruden commits to building around Josh Johnson" scenario would be one of my very first choices for the Futurama "What If" machine.

Of course, we should all accept that Gruden never would have done it. He was fired early in 2009? That offseason, he either signs David Carr as his pet reclamation project or 39 year old Kerry Collins. But at least we wouldn't have drafted Freeman.

[These Are The Days]

I actually liked Bruce Gradkowski. Many moons ago I updated the batched draft class to Madden and this Gradkoski guy would go on to win SB MVP on a sim. Then we drafted it. Didn't go the same well.

For me it's still a what if about Josh Johnson and Jon Gruden.

Dude, the "Gruden commits to building around Josh Johnson" scenario would be one of my very first choices for the Futurama "What If" machine.

Of course, we should all accept that Gruden never would have done it. He was fired early in 2009? That offseason, he either signs David Carr as his pet reclamation project or 39 year old Kerry Collins. But at least we wouldn't have drafted Freeman.

There's no scenario where Gruden gets someone and is happy. He's the dude who rebuilds classic cars and stops in the middle of one project to start up another until all he has to show for it is a graveyard garage full of shit that doesn't run.

Every time I think about him coaching Rodgers I think about how he'd have a single season before Gruden got frustrated and moved on to someone else.

[Doctor]

He seem to reclaim Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson well enough. Even gave Jeff Garcia a nice second breath.

Brady took over for a #1 Bledsoe and and #1 Winston.
Stafford took over from a #1 Goff.
Nick Foles took over for a #2 Wentz.

Of course this is a very niche scenario as there's only one #1 pick each year.

[King Bootz]

You forgot 1. Goff took over for a #1 Stafford.

[Defense5599]

I actually liked Bruce Gradkowski. Many moons ago I updated the batched draft class to Madden and this Gradkoski guy would go on to win SB MVP on a sim. Then we drafted it. Didn't go the same well.

For me it's still a what if about Josh Johnson and Jon Gruden.

Dude, the "Gruden commits to building around Josh Johnson" scenario would be one of my very first choices for the Futurama "What If" machine.

Of course, we should all accept that Gruden never would have done it. He was fired early in 2009? That offseason, he either signs David Carr as his pet reclamation project or 39 year old Kerry Collins. But at least we wouldn't have drafted Freeman.

I just don't understand why Glazer waited so long to fire Gruden. After that choke job in 2008, Gruden should've been fired the day after the season ended.

[Dread]

Dude, the "Gruden commits to building around Josh Johnson" scenario would be one of my very first choices for the Futurama "What If" machine.

Of course, we should all accept that Gruden never would have done it. He was fired early in 2009? That offseason, he either signs David Carr as his pet reclamation project or 39 year old Kerry Collins. But at least we wouldn't have drafted Freeman.

I just don't understand why Glazer waited so long to fire Gruden. After that choke job in 2008, Gruden should've been fired the day after the season ended.

Gruden was fired mid-Jan 2009 after losing 4 consecutive games to end the season 9-7 (after starting 9-3).

So he was fired right after the regular season ended.

[Defense5599]

I just don't understand why Glazer waited so long to fire Gruden. After that choke job in 2008, Gruden should've been fired the day after the season ended.

Gruden was fired mid-Jan 2009 after losing 4 consecutive games to end the season 9-7 (after starting 9-3).

So he was fired right after the regular season ended.

Yeah, but back in 2008, the season ended in late December. Still puzzles me why they waited a couple weeks.

[MJW]

Gruden was fired mid-Jan 2009 after losing 4 consecutive games to end the season 9-7 (after starting 9-3).

So he was fired right after the regular season ended.

Yeah, but back in 2008, the season ended in late December. Still puzzles me why they waited a couple weeks.

It happened the day after Mike Shanahan got fired by the Broncos. The popular theory was Shanny was the reason Gruden was fired. Turned out, no.

I'm sure there's an interesting story about how that all went down echoing through the halls of OBP. I've never heard it. My best guess? Ownership wanted to hire his assistants (especially with Monte now leaving) and Gruden balked.

[Defense5599]

Yeah, but back in 2008, the season ended in late December. Still puzzles me why they waited a couple weeks.

It happened the day after Mike Shanahan got fired by the Broncos. The popular theory was Shanny was the reason Gruden was fired. Turned out, no.

I'm sure there's an interesting story about how that all went down echoing through the halls of OBP. I've never heard it. My best guess? Ownership wanted to hire his assistants (especially with Monte now leaving) and Gruden balked.

Ironically both coaches had their teams in first place with five games to go and totally imploded. I remember that year very well. Shanny and Gruden made it a total of seven coaches getting the axe. That's a lot.

[The Outsider]

I kinda gotta jump in and say something.

Mike Glennon, since he's left Tampa, has been bad. He's not only not developed, he's regressed. I don't think anyone would argue with that. His best fate now is getting another 3 or 4 years holding a clipboard. It's over for him.

BUT...

The revisionist history has become that he had no potential, or he couldn't play, and we had no choice but to move on from him ASAP. That's not true.

Lovie and Co. screwed him the hell over in 2014. The kid was coming off of a damn solid rookie season, considering. We were a bad team. He didn't get any first team reps until ten minutes before he became the starter. Schiano was a joke and the locker room was crumbling around us.

Glennon came in under those conditions, had a better than 2-1 TD/INT, completed about 60%, had respectable metrics. He went 4-4 over his last 8 starts that year while Schiano blitzed the kneel downs. Next to Vincent Jackson, his best receiver was Tim Wright. His leading rusher was Bobby Rainey. Brian Leonard and Tiquan Underwood played prominent roles in the offense. Still, he had a rookie year where, if a first rounder had it under those conditions, you'd feel like the future was bright.

Lovie comes in, signs his buddy from Chicago Josh McCown, and refuses to give Glennon a shot at the job. McCown is DREADFUL. He's just awful. 11 TDs, 14 INTs, 56% completed, sacked about 1 out of every 8 dropbacks. Glennon, when he did get time because of injuries? He leads the best win of the season against the Steelers. He throws 10 TDs to 6 INTs. He plays more aggressively and shows signs of real growth.

But by then, it's over. He was "beaten out" by Josh McCown on the worst team in the league. Winston and Mariota are both seen as potential franchise guys. The end.

I BELIEVE there is a universe where Lovie doesn't screw Glennon over. He gets 16 more starts. He shows promise. And if we still pick first despite that (possible), we trade the pick for a friggin' brinks truck of draft capital and we build around him.

Would this have yielded a Superbowl? Probably not. Neither did Jameis or Mariota.

But can we please stop pretending Glennon was Bruce Gradkowski?

Glennon's biggest issue is that he's so immobile that if he doesn't have a good line he's garbage.

[acmillis]

I kinda gotta jump in and say something.

Mike Glennon, since he's left Tampa, has been bad. He's not only not developed, he's regressed. I don't think anyone would argue with that. His best fate now is getting another 3 or 4 years holding a clipboard. It's over for him.

BUT...

The revisionist history has become that he had no potential, or he couldn't play, and we had no choice but to move on from him ASAP. That's not true.

Lovie and Co. screwed him the hell over in 2014. The kid was coming off of a damn solid rookie season, considering. We were a bad team. He didn't get any first team reps until ten minutes before he became the starter. Schiano was a joke and the locker room was crumbling around us.

Glennon came in under those conditions, had a better than 2-1 TD/INT, completed about 60%, had respectable metrics. He went 4-4 over his last 8 starts that year while Schiano blitzed the kneel downs. Next to Vincent Jackson, his best receiver was Tim Wright. His leading rusher was Bobby Rainey. Brian Leonard and Tiquan Underwood played prominent roles in the offense. Still, he had a rookie year where, if a first rounder had it under those conditions, you'd feel like the future was bright.

Lovie comes in, signs his buddy from Chicago Josh McCown, and refuses to give Glennon a shot at the job. McCown is DREADFUL. He's just awful. 11 TDs, 14 INTs, 56% completed, sacked about 1 out of every 8 dropbacks. Glennon, when he did get time because of injuries? He leads the best win of the season against the Steelers. He throws 10 TDs to 6 INTs. He plays more aggressively and shows signs of real growth.

But by then, it's over. He was "beaten out" by Josh McCown on the worst team in the league. Winston and Mariota are both seen as potential franchise guys. The end.

I BELIEVE there is a universe where Lovie doesn't screw Glennon over. He gets 16 more starts. He shows promise. And if we still pick first despite that (possible), we trade the pick for a friggin' brinks truck of draft capital and we build around him.

Would this have yielded a Superbowl? Probably not. Neither did Jameis or Mariota.

But can we please stop pretending Glennon was Bruce Gradkowski?

Brady's biggest issue is that he's so immobile that if he doesn't have a good line he's garbage.

FIFY...Just saying, that really shouldn't be an excuse.

[The Outsider]

Brady's biggest issue is that he's so immobile that if he doesn't have a good line he's garbage.

FIFY...Just saying, that really shouldn't be an excuse.

Being slow doesn't equal being immobile. Brady is really good at moving around in the pocket and avoiding the rush. He's also got one of the quickest releases in the game. Glennon may as well be a statue and his release isn't near quick enough to compensate for that.

[MJW]

Glennon needed a specific offense to be successful. Ironically, it would look a lot like Pre-Brady Bruce Arians liked to run. Passing out of heavy sets. Play-action. Like that.

But he COULD have been successful. And considering how lousy the situation he played in here in Tampa was, he did a solid job despite his shortcomings.

[Dread]

MJW still stumping for Glennon warms my heart.

You're a loyal girl MJW, for better or worse. Once you believe in a player it takes alot to move you off that belief. Same is true once you have a negative view of a player.

[Four Verticals]

Glennon had the same issues elsewhere and the comparison to Brady makes no sense. Brady has much better pocket awareness and his release is quicker. Glennon wasn't great at either.

[Defense5599]

Glennon needed a specific offense to be successful. Ironically, it would look a lot like Pre-Brady Bruce Arians liked to run. Passing out of heavy sets. Play-action. Like that.

But he COULD have been successful. And considering how lousy the situation he played in here in Tampa was, he did a solid job despite his shortcomings.

Then how come the Bears signed him to a pretty substantial deal, then a month later, butchered their draft to get Mitch Trubisky? After watching him for a few offseason workouts, they knew they fucked up giving him that deal. He proved them right, lasting only four games as a starter and has bounced around the league ever since.

[MJW]

Glennon needed a specific offense to be successful. Ironically, it would look a lot like Pre-Brady Bruce Arians liked to run. Passing out of heavy sets. Play-action. Like that.

But he COULD have been successful. And considering how lousy the situation he played in here in Tampa was, he did a solid job despite his shortcomings.

Then how come the Bears signed him to a pretty substantial deal, then a month later, butchered their draft to get Mitch Trubisky? After watching him for a few offseason workouts, they knew they fucked up giving him that deal. He proved them right, lasting only four games as a starter and has bounced around the league ever since.

Nah, this isn't it.

John Fox wanted Glennon. He wanted to play the offense I'm describing - heavy sets, heavy run, play action, good defense.

Ryan Pace, then the GM, fell in love with Trubisky. Fox didn't want him. He didn't even know he was going to be the pick.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/270 ... fore-draft

[MJW]

https://www.amazon.com/Jameis-Winston-D ... 5&sr=8-152
Holy shit.

[These Are The Days]

https://www.amazon.com/Jameis-Winston-D ... 5&sr=8-152
Holy shit.

This is incredible.


Guarantee this fellow bought the book or wrote it

[_MB_]

I need to write a book.

That fucking guy is going to sell a half million copies in Louisiana alone.

[Brazen331]

I suppose if esteemed literary critic Jacquez Green recommends a book you should probably read it.

I remember being so pissed when we drafted him so high: wasn’t he like 5’6 145 pounds?

[Capsaicin]

I suppose if esteemed literary critic Jacquez Green recommends a book you should probably read it.

I remember being so pissed when we drafted him so high: wasn’t he like 5’6 145 pounds?

He was no Ike Hilliard.

[Defense5599]

Talk about using creative math to pump up a guy. And while those stats might be true, you can't overlook the fact that he never improved on his decision making skills and penchant for turnovers.

[Brazen331]

I suppose if esteemed literary critic Jacquez Green recommends a book you should probably read it.

I remember being so pissed when we drafted him so high: wasn’t he like 5’6 145 pounds?

He was no Ike Hilliard.

Or Reidel Anthony. We just couldn’t get enough of those Spurrier WRs from UF. I just looked up Green and he is now the head football coach at Manatee HS.

[Kress]

https://www.amazon.com/Jameis-Winston-D ... 5&sr=8-152
Holy shit.

Gun to your head: If shown that cover sketch and asked to identify the man, would you, within your first 375 guesses, say Jameis Winston?

[acmillis]

Not with that skinny of a face.

[These Are The Days]

https://www.amazon.com/Jameis-Winston-D ... 5&sr=8-152
Holy shit.

Gun to your head: If shown that cover sketch and asked to identify the man, would you, within your first 375 guesses, say Jameis Winston?

It's an excellent sketch. It might've taken me a minute but I think I could've gotten it

[_MB_]

Gun to your head: If shown that cover sketch and asked to identify the man, would you, within your first 375 guesses, say Jameis Winston?

It's an excellent sketch. It might've taken me a minute but I think I could've gotten it

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....

[Primeminister]

Gun to your head: If shown that cover sketch and asked to identify the man, would you, within your first 375 guesses, say Jameis Winston?

It's an excellent sketch. It might've taken me a minute but I think I could've gotten it

That’s only because you’ve had Lasik.

[Kress]

It's an excellent sketch. It might've taken me a minute but I think I could've gotten it

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....

It's Jameis Winston derangement syndrome.

Fact.

[These Are The Days]

It's an excellent sketch. It might've taken me a minute but I think I could've gotten it

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....

He said 375 tries!!

[kaimaru]

https://www.amazon.com/Jameis-Winston-D ... 5&sr=8-152
Holy shit.

This is incredible.


Guarantee this fellow bought the book or wrote it

The dude who wrote it send Joebucsfan a tweet in Jameis' last season with us full of stats and graphs to show how Winston stacks up with Hall of Fame quarterbacks. As if they comparing Favre's first 4 seasons is comparable to the modern NFL.